Flu Shot gone wrong

[NAKID]

It's not about winning. Ideally, I want a healthier community. We have different beliefs on what is necessary to get there.

[ducpainter]

It's not about winning. Ideally, I want a healthier community. We have different beliefs on what is necessary to get there.

That describes it pretty succinctly.

[Wanwo]

I'm starting to buy into the connection between flu shots and neurological disorders. My parents, being in their 60's starting getting yearly flu shots. My mother developed ALS (Lou Gerig's disease) and died at 64. I never heard of a possible connection until recently. Maybe it was a fluke thing and maybe it wasn't. I've read articles saying even if the flu shot triggered neurological disorders, the odds of it are obviously very, very small, and the odds of older people getting flu and dying are much much higher so it's worth it. But, I seriously don't know. My mother was in every other way healthy. I think she would have had a good chance against a flu virus. No one has had a chance to recover from ALS.

[Triple J]

I had a polio vaccine...and tetanus...I don't think I had any others because I had every single disease that all you people are trying to avoid...

I'm guessing you also had the small pox vaccine (I'm too young, barely)...and I agree with you for the most part.

They now immunize children for Hep B and chicken pox. WTF...they try to give Hep B to newborns still in the hospital. Why? When is a friggin' newborn going to be in contact with infected blood or semen. No thanks on that vaccine. I'm 36 and I don't have Hep B, neither does my wife, and neither of us were vaccinated. If our son wants to be a doctor, firefighter, nurse, police officer, etc. then he can get it then.

Chicken pox...give me a break...when I was a kid our parents would send us to whomever's house where someone had chicken pox so we would get it and be done. No one died from it...and now there's a vaccine.   I finally got chicken pox when I was 17 from my girlfriend's 5 year old brother. It was no biggie...missed out on Spring Break that year.   No thanks on that vaccine as well.

My son will be born soon...and he won't be getting any vaccine that I didn't get.

[Ddan]

This has gotten sort of away from vaccines and to treatment philosophies, so I'll put on my tinfoil hat and hop up on the soap box.  We live in a society where health care is a for-profit business, and the profit side is doing very well.  The providers know that if we are healthy, they can't sell their products so they market to us so we either think we are unhealthy, or are afraid that we will become unhealthy.   They come up with treatments for things we didn't know we had (remember the ad campaign for restless leg syndrome?) or promote recreational drugs as 'treatment' (Viagra?)   Our kids are all ADHD, clinically depressed or threatened with 'diseases'.  They promote the hugely profitable but senseless use of antibiotics in cattle feed that only guarantees the prevalence of resistant bacteria, which in turn almost guarantees that if you are in the hospital you will come down with a nasty staph infection, that (guess what) requires more treatment.  As our health care costs go up, our level of health goes down and it won't stop until we re-think the way we are treated.

[ducpainter]

I'm guessing you also had the small pox vaccine (I'm too young, barely)...and I agree with you for the most part.

They now immunize children for Hep B and chicken pox. WTF...they try to give Hep B to newborns still in the hospital. Why? When is a friggin' newborn going to be in contact with infected blood or semen. No thanks on that vaccine. I'm 36 and I don't have Hep B, neither does my wife, and neither of us were vaccinated. If our son wants to be a doctor, firefighter, nurse, police officer, etc. then he can get it then.

Chicken pox...give me a break...when I was a kid our parents would send us to whomever's house where someone had chicken pox so we would get it and be done. No one died from it...and now there's a vaccine.   I finally got chicken pox when I was 17 from my girlfriend's 5 year old brother. It was no biggie...missed out on Spring Break that year.   No thanks on that vaccine as well.

My son will be born soon...and he won't be getting any vaccine that I didn't get.

You're right...I did get a small pox vaccine.

Are you going to home school your kids?

They won't get in to most school systems without the schedule recommended by the cdc.

And the infected blood and semen?...why from the very people that are caring for him in his first days of life. IMO it allows them to be sloppy with hygiene.

But do we make sure that health care people wash their hands?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

We come up with another vaccine.

[Triple J]

Are you going to home school your kids?

They won't get in to most school systems without the schedule recommended by the cdc.

No, I won't home school. I don't think it will be a problem though as Seattle is pretty liberal. If not, I'll suddenly become very religious! 

He'll have the biggies covered, so there really won't be any reason for concern.

[Randimus Maximus]

<:::::  have not gotten a flu shot. do not plan on getting one...ever.

[herm]

<:::::  have not gotten a flu shot. do not plan on getting one...ever.

same here....and never had the flu.

although if i were ever to work as an EMT or municiple FF, i probably would.

[ducpainter]

I've avoided chiming in here because I got warned last time I brought up the nanny state.  We live in a nanny state completely obsessed with safety at all costs.  People are chicken shit morons that can be sold just about anything in the name of safety.  People that give up liberty for safety don't deserve either (bastardizing Ben, but likely wasn't his quote anyway) - a bit off topic, but not far.

I known several people that have gotten shingles from the chicken pox vaccine.  Tell me that is a better result.  I don't think so.  There are so many links to current diseases/ailments from over vaccination/over treatment.

Bring on the apocalypse - you won't see this guy getting any flu shot.  I don't give a shit if they decide to fine me.  I don't give a shit if flu kills me.  The day the gov't/business/insurance companies (soon they will all be the same - maybe are already) mandate what I do in this regard is the day I check out of this society.  

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Tone it down some more.

[angler]

Tone it down some more.

Gone - toned down enough?

[ducpainter]

Gone - toned down enough?

That really wasn't necessary.

All you need to do is leave the political aspect of it out of your posting.

There's plenty wrong with the scenario on it's own merits without bringing that in to it.

[Oldfisti]

Yaaaay!


It's officially a national emergency!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

[Grampa]

I got a tequila shot

[somegirl]

I'm ok with vaccines that have gotten rigorous clinical testing, but I'm not getting flu shots.

I have gotten HepB because I sometimes work with blood products in the lab, I wouldn't get it otherwise.

measles mumps  rubella and chicken pox are no more fatal to the majority of kids than they ever were.

I disagree on rubella.  It's mild to kids but very risky for pregnant women as it has a high chance of causing birth defects.

http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/common/rubella.html

Rubella (German measles) is a mild childhood illness that poses a serious threat to the fetus, if the mother contracts the illness during pregnancy. More than 20,000 babies were born with birth defects during an outbreak of rubella in 1964-65. The same outbreak also resulted in at least 10,000 miscarriages and stillbirths.
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About 25 percent of babies whose mothers contract rubella during the first trimester of pregnancy are born with one or more birth defects which, together, are referred to as congenital rubella syndrome. These birth defects include eye defects (resulting in vision loss or blindness), hearing loss, heart defects, mental retardation and, less frequently, cerebral palsy.