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Re: back to 1000cc sounding more likely..
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November 19, 2009, 07:10:03 PM »
Quote from: OT on November 19, 2009, 03:29:42 PM
What were the race times?
i'm too lazy to do the work. iirc, the motogp races are longer than the worldsbk races, so you have to break out the lap chart and account for the difference.
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November 19, 2009, 11:34:40 PM »
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What were the race times?
The comparative race times based upon the 22 lap motogp race would be:
MotoGP 22 laps: 43:08.991
WSBK 22 laps: 44:20.13
So the winning superbike ( round 1 Biaggi ) at Brno would have finished approximately 1 minute and 11-12 seconds behind Rossi. Talmasci finished 59.188 seconds behind Rossi for comparison.
So the fastest superbike of round 1 is still 12 seconds off the backmarker of the worst GP rider/bike combo. ( personally I think Talmasci had no business on that grid, but money talks )
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November 20, 2009, 06:27:49 AM »
Dunno if these minimum weights are currently correct, but it was all I could find...
WSBK 162 kg
MotoGP 148 kg
So, about 31 lbs heavier.
And who knows what difference the tires make.
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November 20, 2009, 06:40:36 AM »
Quote from: Speeddog on November 20, 2009, 06:27:49 AM
Dunno if these minimum weights are currently correct, but it was all I could find...
WSBK 162 kg
MotoGP 148 kg
So, about 31 lbs heavier.
And who knows what difference the tires make.
Not to mention the prototype chassis.
Oh, and the jockey-sized riders
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When did GP become proto type only? It wasn't back in Kevin Cameron's time if I understood his book correctly?
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I believe the tires are significantly better on a GP bike. Spies had said that the grip levels of GP tires are insane compared to what the sbk's use.
For another comparison sake, WSBK and the 250cc class run identical lap numbers of 20 on the Brno round. Finals times of the winner ( race one Biaggi and Simoncelli ):
Biaggi WSBK - 40:18.306
Simoncelli 250 - 41:06.490
So the SBK's are pretty much a middle ground in between 250 and MotoGP.
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30 lbs and muuuch better tires will get you that kind of differential
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Quote from: mitt on November 20, 2009, 07:32:03 AM
When did GP become proto type only? It wasn't back in Kevin Cameron's time if I understood his book correctly?
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i think it was by default during the 2-stroke era, and was made "official" with the move (back) to 4-strokes.
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noyes says...
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-1000cc-for-2012-or-even-2011-pt-1/
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http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/12/05/ezpeleta_we_will_not_define_what_a_produ.html
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http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/12/05/ezpeleta_we_will_not_define_what_a_produ.html
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no kidding. legalese.
next they will tell us that, seeing as how they make 20 or 50 or whatever it is number of GP engines per year, that's "production".
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Quote from: gm2 on December 07, 2009, 02:10:30 PM
no kidding. legalese.
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Quote from: gm2 on December 07, 2009, 02:10:30 PM
no kidding. legalese.
next they will tell us that, seeing as how they make 20 or 50 or whatever it is number of GP engines per year, that's "production".
You're catching on.
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http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Dec/091211a.htm
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