2011 Silly Season

[zooom]

hmmm...ponder this...Hayden and Jorge on the Duc...who is the #1 rider then?...someone who has 2 years experience on it, or someone who is an alien batshit fast with a period of acclimation necessary to the machine?!?!?!

[duccarlos]

Whomever gets the more money.

[EvilSteve]

Lorenzo.

[derby]

Whomever gets the more money.

whichever rider gets the results.

[duccarlos]

Since when has a job been dependent on results? 

[gm2]

i still think that there is or is going to be simultaneously a very very large check and effort from HRC to get Jorge on a repsol bike.

[duccarlos]

Only if they get rid of the turd. They hate each other.

[desmoquattro]

Since when has a job been dependent on results? 

Exactly...

[derby]

Since when has a job been dependent on results? 

Exactly...

the question was "who is number one on the team?"

with the exception of repsol honda in 2006, it's generally the rider that's performing.

[gm2]

bah, colin was very successful in that role.

(..'that role' being valentino's tire developer)

[DoubleEagle]

given hayden's recent results, lorenzo is probably less scared of the ducati than he was last year.

plus he's already got a good starting point for the salary negotiations.

Not sure I understand your logic about Jorge being less concerned with Ducati in light of Nicky's results lately.

I thought Nicky was running closer to the front.?

Wouldn't Jorge be more concerned with the fact that Nicky is getting the " hang " of it finally ?

Dolph     

[Triple J]

Not sure I understand your logic about Jorge being less concerned with Ducati in light of Nicky's results lately.

I thought Nicky was running closer to the front.?

Wouldn't Jorge be more concerned with the fact that Nicky is getting the " hang " of it finally ?

Dolph     

Everyone was scared of the 800cc D16 because no one not named Stoner could ride it. Some fine riders, including Melandri and Hayden (1st half of last year) couldn't do much more then bring up the rear on it.

Hayden doing well now means Ducati may have tamed it a bit so other people can be fast on it...a good thing if Lorenzo is considering switching.

He probably doesn't care if Hayden is fast. He still went to Yamaha knowing Rossi was there.

[Jester]

Lorenzo is on a different level than others that have ridden the Duc.  There might be reservations, but I would doubt he'd go to the back of the grid on the bike.  I think if they toss the cash, he's leaving.

[derby]

Everyone was scared of the 800cc D16 because no one not named Stoner could ride it. Some fine riders, including Melandri and Hayden (1st half of last year) couldn't do much more then bring up the rear on it.

Hayden doing well now means Ducati may have tamed it a bit so other people can be fast on it...a good thing if Lorenzo is considering switching.

exactly... ducati had offered lorenzo €7 million ($9.3M, double his offer from yamaha)... you have to have a really good reason to turn down a $4.7M pay increase.

He probably doesn't care if Hayden is fast. He still went to Yamaha knowing Rossi was there.

he went to yamaha (and stayed last year) knowing that rossi and burgess were there ensuring the yzr-m1 was a championship-capable machine.

[derby]

Lorenzo is on a different level than others that have ridden the Duc.  There might be reservations, but I would doubt he'd go to the back of the grid on the bike.  I think if they toss the cash, he's leaving.

look at my post above... they did offer the cash last year and he said "no thanks."