2011 Silly Season

[duccarlos]

I'm wondering if Pintey McAssTard doesn't end up at Yamaha, alongside Lorenzo. That'd be amusing, especially if Puig comes along for the ride.

You're joking, right? The turd and Lorenzo would not survive the first photo shoot without at least one black eye. They can't stand each other.

[desmoquattro]

You're joking, right? The turd and Lorenzo would not survive the first photo shoot without at least one black eye. They can't stand each other.

That's why it'd be amusing

[gm2]

there's no way respsol.. not honda, respsol.. is going to let pedro go.  at least not without a fight, aka Great Big Check.

and i think the M1 he could conceivably get his tiny hands on is already pretty much spoken for.

[desmoquattro]

there's no way respsol.. not honda, respsol.. is going to let pedro go.  at least not without a fight, aka Great Big Check.

Maybe. But the prospect of Stoner showing up might influence that. Does he displace Dovi?

[gm2]

dunno.  but Dovi is not as important to Respol as Pedro, nor is he as important to HRC as Stoner. 

but there is grumbling about 3 factory bikes now, one of them under Red Bull.

[Spidey]

but there is grumbling about 3 factory bikes now, one of them under Red Bull.

Hey, do you know what Simoncelli's deal is for 2012?  I thought he's on a HRC bike this year.  If he's got the same deal for 2012, that'd mean four factory Hondas on the grid.

[gm2]

Hey, do you know what Simoncelli's deal is for 2012?  I thought he's on a HRC bike this year.  If he's got the same deal for 2012, that'd mean four factory Hondas on the grid.

why would it mean that over putting him right back where he is now?  a huge part of getting the san carlo sponsorship this year was contingent on there being 2 italian riders on that team.

or, if you mean that in technical terms, that's already the case now.  or was at the beginning of the season.  the gresini bikes started out as factory bikes, the only difference being the electronics package.

[Spidey]

I didn't understand your post.

My understanding is that Simoncelli is riding a factory-spec bike this year.  If his deal gets him a factory-spec bike next year (does it?_ and Dovi is on a factory bike with Red Bull, that'd be four factory bikes on the grid. 

[gm2]

ah, i see what you mean.  dunno if his deal stipulates what bike he gets.  maybe he needs to perform at X this year to get it again next year.

and do we know that melandri's bike is not also factory-spec?  now that i'm thinking more about it i vaguely recall that it's not, b/c i remember thinking about it was a little sad that he gets a customer bike and simoncelli gets a factory bike.

either way, when i said 3 factory bikes earlier i meant at the HRC level, not the bike-spec level.  like, if the red bull thing happens dovi wouldn't be getting a demotion; he'd be getting a 'new' factory seat.  yes, it gets confusing when simoncelli's check comes from HRC but he's on the satellite team.  same with ben and yamaha.

[Spidey]

and do we know that melandri's bike is not also factory-spec?  now that i'm thinking more about it i vaguely recall that it's not, b/c i remember thinking about it was a little sad that he gets a customer bike and simoncelli gets a factory bike.

That's how I remember it too.  Edit:  Yup.  http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/151110/1/melandri_simoncelli_will_have_factory_honda.html

Honestly, I don't understand the difference between (1) having a factory ride, and (2) having a factory-spec bike and getting your check from the factory.  Is the difference with the crew/engineers/development guys?

[gm2]

That's how I remember it too.  

Honestly, I don't understand the difference between (1) having a factory ride, and (2) having a factory-spec bike and getting your check from the factory.  Is the difference with the crew/engineers/development guys?

yes.  and the frequency/timing/amount of parts throughout the year.  pedros bike gets basically whatever he asks for and there are engineers actively tasked with making him win.  marco waits.

and in this case, the electronics have not been equivalent since the start.

[El Matador]

Another thing to consider regarding the Honda and Pedrosa situation is thay honda have already declared that they're designing a "twitchier" bike to be easier for smaller riders and sinking a whole lot of money in electronically controlled steering dampers. Basically, all the R and D is going towards making the bike more Pedrosa friendly

[zooom]

Another thing to consider regarding the Honda and Pedrosa situation is thay honda have already declared that they're designing a "twitchier" bike to be easier for smaller riders and sinking a whole lot of money in electronically controlled steering dampers. Basically, all the R and D is going towards making the bike more Pedrosa friendly

geeee....pretty much hasn't the whole RC212V 800 bike been developed around Smurfy Mcmake the beast with two backsstick anyway??

[Speeddog]

Aren't the electronic steering dampers outlawed for 2011?

[gm2]

geeee....pretty much hasn't the whole RC212V 800 bike been developed around Smurfy Mcmake the beast with two backsstick anyway??

once you consider that dorna, repsol, and pedro are all spanish...