2011 Silly Season

[duccarlos]

and most importantly, he's the best shot the spaniards have at a championship.  you really can't underestimate the importance of his nationality in the dorna-repsol equation.

A Spaniard just won the championship. What you mean is that a Spanish rider wins with a Spanish sponsor. Maybe they should go after Lorenzo and get rid of Pedrosa/Puig. It's ridiculous having to deal with that asshole.

[gm2]

yes, i meant a spaniard on a repsol bike...

[DanTheMan]

So whats so wrong with puig? I dont see how he influences racing one bit. On Sunday afternoon, he's not in the race. He doesnt affect the outcome. Pedrose is doing a great job of racing and developing the bike.

The real problem. If your not on a "factory bike" you don't stand a chance to win a race.

riddle me that.

[Speeddog]

I think Dorna wants Elias out of Moto2.

Make room for someone else to be champion, and 'prove' that if you win in Moto2, you get moved up to MotoGP.

[gm2]

I think Dorna wants Elias out of Moto2.

Make room for someone else to be champion, and 'prove' that if you win in Moto2, you get moved up to MotoGP.

exactly. 

[duccarlos]

If I was hired like Stoner to ride for HRC, I would expect that the sponsors would already be setup and that there should be at least a skeleton of a team. Puig is an agent and he's forcing HRC to fire someone that has only helped them? I think that's a problem and the reason why HRC is trying to find someone else to pay the bills.

[gm2]

If I was hired like Stoner to ride for HRC, I would expect that the sponsors would already be setup and that there should be at least a skeleton of a team. Puig is an agent and he's forcing HRC to fire someone that has only helped them? I think that's a problem and the reason why HRC is trying to find someone else to pay the bills.

that's a lot of conjecture  

maybe the whole issue is that they really did promise dovi a factory-factory ride.  or they think they can get a bunch more $$ out of some new stoner sponsor...someone that might eventually help them end their reliance on Repsol, which is basically what Suppo was brought in to do.

and let's not forget that while stoner obviously had a good run at ducati with suppo, he also has ties to puig. 

[ducpainter]

that's a lot of conjecture 

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Well...

this is a thread about 'Silly' season.

[duccarlos]

that's a lot of conjecture  

maybe the whole issue is that they really did promise dovi a factory-factory ride.  or they think they can get a bunch more $$ out of some new stoner sponsor...someone that might eventually help them end their reliance on Repsol, which is basically what Suppo was brought in to do.

and let's not forget that while stoner obviously had a good run at ducati with suppo, he also has ties to puig. 

Well if you look at it that way, then Puig is an idiot for pushing HRC to do excatly what they and Suppo wanted in the first place.

[zooom]

So whats so wrong with puig? 

Puig is heavily in the pants pocket of Repsol and the contract with Repsol dictates to HRC his presence there...he has doubled his marker of weight by also being Dani's mentor/manager

the problem comes in with the fact that Dani was brought on board to bring Honda a championship as pitched by Puig for Repsol...Honda at the time looked at how much Repsol was willing to pay to make running the team easier ( keep in mind they came on board when Rossi was riding the RC211V- and then he departed and smashed the Repsol Honda out of the gate and pretty much humiliated HRC and Repsol at the time) so Puig was garnering for pride and position when he pushed bringing Dani on board and developing the RC212V around him and promised a chamionship that has as of yet to come to fruition and HRC is so in bed with Repsol now, that they kinda have to suck it up until they find a suitable replacement...enter Suppo and the follow over of Casey with the prospect of RedBull who throws ALOT of money around...

the thing that sucks in all of this to me is the shaft that Dovi is getting...he was contracted with a guarantee that they are trying to weasal and wriggle around...

[DanTheMan]

Puig is heavily in the pants pocket of Repsol and the contract with Repsol dictates to HRC his presence there...he has doubled his marker of weight by also being Dani's mentor/manager

the problem comes in with the fact that Dani was brought on board to bring Honda a championship as pitched by Puig for Repsol...Honda at the time looked at how much Repsol was willing to pay to make running the team easier ( keep in mind they came on board when Rossi was riding the RC211V- and then he departed and smashed the Repsol Honda out of the gate and pretty much humiliated HRC and Repsol at the time) so Puig was garnering for pride and position when he pushed bringing Dani on board and developing the RC212V around him and promised a chamionship that has as of yet to come to fruition and HRC is so in bed with Repsol now, that they kinda have to suck it up until they find a suitable replacement...enter Suppo and the follow over of Casey with the prospect of RedBull who throws ALOT of money around...

the thing that sucks in all of this to me is the shaft that Dovi is getting...he was contracted with a guarantee that they are trying to weasal and wriggle around...

Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol? Either way they are producing some results and really who would be a better rider out there than Dani? Dovi... well there maybe someone else that would benefit more from a factory ride, so bye, bye.

[ducpainter]

Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol? Either way they are producing some results and really who would be a better rider out there than Dani? Dovi... well there maybe someone else that would benefit more from a factory ride, so bye, bye.

You may be right...

but how many more years is Puig going to be able to sell Dani's lack of a championship? After 5? years maybe it's time Puig got booted from the gravy train?

[fastwin]

I agree. Puig is a wet blanket... so's Pedrobot. No love lost here.

[duccarlos]

I think Casey is more talented, but Pedro is still an alien. I would still keep him, but make it clear that with Casey in the garage, he no longer can dictate the direction of the whole team.

[zooom]

Ok so maybe im retarted, i dont see the issue on how this effects dani's racing. Why do you want to get rid of a big money sponsor at this time? Or HRC wants to get rid of Puig but cant do so without losing Repsol? 

it doesn't effect Dani's racing per sey...but HRC doesn't want Puig around...kinda hard to get rid of him without some real weight behind it...Suppo, Casey, and Red Bull aid in the equation

how many more years is Puig going to be able to sell Dani's lack of a championship? After 5? years maybe it's time Puig got booted from the gravy train?

hence why I think Casey and another sponsor on board adds leverage to be able to get rid of Puig...

I agree. Puig is a wet blanket... so's Pedrobot. 

I disagree on Dani being a wet blanket....I am not a Smurfy McDouchnozzle fan...but I don't blame him at all really in this issue we are discussing...he IS an alien and a helluva rider and athlete...and I give him that credit wholeheartedly...

I think Casey is more talented, but Pedro is still an alien. I would still keep him, but make it clear that with Casey in the garage, he no longer can dictate the direction of the whole team.

whether Casey is more talented than Pedro remains to be seen...sure, Casey has a championship under his belt that Pedro doesn't, but I want to see what happens when they are on equal machinery/footing....but I agree that Suppo and Casey make it so that Puig can't run the team around Dani anymore with them in the same garage....and Dovi's results also make it harder to keep garnering that favortism IMHO....