This is why PEOPLE SUCK!

[swampduc]

don't be so quick to say people are bad because they didn't help, would you have stopped for a few hours to help if you "had" to get to a function or such or a job?

Yes. Not a difficult decision 
And IMO, this is one of the problems with our society: moral relativism run amock.

People suck

live in a big city? you can keep it.

Maybe I'm naive, but I doubt this is indicative of city life in ALL big cities. I never found NYC to be a friendly place, exactly.

[cyrus buelton]

Other than call 911 what else would one do?


I sure as shit am not touching a strangers blood without proper protection to myself.

but then again, I won't administer CPR without a micro shield.


And yes, I do own one and always have it in my car or moto jacket.



family and good friends don't fall into the above category.

[Howie]

Other than call 911 what else would one do?


I sure as shit am not touching a strangers blood without proper protection to myself.

but then again, I won't administer CPR without a micro shield.


And yes, I do own one and always have it in my car or moto jacket.



family and good friends don't fall into the above category.

I wouldn't expect heroic action, but I would expect someone to call 911, which apparently no one did for close to two hours,  That one call might have saved this person's life.

[swampduc]

Other than call 911 what else would one do?


I sure as shit am not touching a strangers blood without proper protection to myself.



family and good friends don't fall into the above category.

That's reasonable, cb, I can totally understand those concerns. But direct pressure on wounds, along with other basic 1st aid, might have made a difference. Or just not allowing another human being to die bleeding in the street without even a hand to hold might have made a difference.
But if, as was previously stated by someone else, one had a previous engagement, by all means, just let him bleed   

[He Man]

edit:

key points

a) dont blame the people for walking by him. If you dont know why, come live in NYC for a few months.
b) for the people who didnt walk by and actually checked to see if he was alive ( watch the video), your make the beast with two backsed up.
c) for everyone else, dont say you'll do something in a certain situation cause chances are you will never be in that exact situation the exact same way you describe it. otherwise you should never make the wrong choice.

[somegirl]

I like how the article states it is main stream movies, video games, etc for allowing it to happen.


Always need to find a scape goat.

The bystander effect has been known about since at least the 60's, so that seems doubtful.  I agree, just a scape goat.

[swampduc]

c) for everyone else, dont say you'll do something in a certain situation cause chances are you will never be in that exact situation the exact same way you describe it. otherwise you should never make the wrong choice.

I've been in that situation, more than once, and have made the decision to help. I guess you should do whatever lets you look at yourself in the mirror.

[superjohn]

Vinnie's right. No one walked by and thought, "hey, look...that dude's gonna die. Damn, I need to get to Starbuck's before I go to the office"

You get used to a particular environment and unless there's a major deviation, you process the environment the same way. In this case, people are used to seeing sleeping homeless people and reacted the same way they always would.

Most people live their lives on auto-pilot, simply unable to re-assess and re-evaluate ones environment all the time. They have the things they really care about, the things they really pay attention to and the rest is background noise.

How many people here have passed a vehicle abandoned on the side of the highway? Did you stop at all of them and check for a driver? What if that vehicle had stopped because the driver was having a heart attack and slumped over? My guess is no one would call 911 then either because no one would notice.

[Monster Dave]

Wow - breaks your heart that people can be so selfish and self absorbed as to not even stop to check on him. It's as bad as the person who died in the ER waiting room because they ignored them for 8 hours.   


Terrible. 

[Triple J]

I gotta agree with the other big city folks that have chimed in here.

The girl is off the hook as she just ran from the attacker.

The dude that rolled the guy over and should have seen blood should have called 911...no excuse for him.

If blood wasn't visible, then I would have done the same as the people who just walked by though. I walk by homeless people here all the time. Sometimes they're sleeping in doorways, sometimes sleeing in the middle of a park, sometimes on the sidewalk. Seattle is bad, San Francisco (2 big cities I've lived) was even worse. You get used to seeing it so it becomes normal. If I checked every one, I'd constantly be doing it, and I'd also probably get attacked by one eventually. No thanks. I'll call 911 if I ever see something out of the ordinary...but someone sleeping/passed out on the sidewalk isn't out of the ordinary (for downtown anyway).

For those saying they would do something, have you ever seen a homeless person on a cold night? Ever offer a warm place to stay or a blanket? Homeless people freeze to death every year...so if you saw one and did nothing, then you did the same thing as the people who walked by this guy.

[cyrus buelton]

What I've noticed about big city folks, more so in NYC then Chicago........


Auto Pilot.


I-Pod in the ears, texting on a phone, and going about their business.

Rarely do they look around to see what the make the beast with two backs is going on.


But yeah.......if someone flipped him over and saw blood.....911 should have been called.

But if no blood visible. How the hell would you know?

The bystander effect has been known about since at least the 60's, so that seems doubtful.  I agree, just a scape goat.

Reminds me of the final Seinfeld Episode where they get arrested for the good Samaritan law when they let that fat guy get mugged.


I just love the spin blaming TV and Video Games.

Has that shit even scientifically proven a de-sensitized nature about us?

An actual peer reviewed, long-term study? If so, I'd like to read it.

I wrote a Mass Comm paper in college on Columbine and the media effect. I couldn't find shit on a correlation of studies of them playing video games or whatever they did to them killing those innocent kids. However, that was in 2003, so a lot of studies may have emerged since then or I didn't give two shits about the class and did sloppy research. Still got an A, though.

[RAT900]

......and we don't hesitate to step over the carcasses of our own helpless and lost...

we put them out on the streets and yet can send hundreds of millions around the planet Darfur, Haiti ablah ablah

host pious do-gooder concerts for popular international disasters like they are Pet Rock fads...get a big ol' vanity buzz going

and congratulate ourselves on our fabulous sense of humanity

[superjohn]

......and we don't hesitate to step over the carcasses of our own helpless and lost...

we put them out on the streets and yet can send hundreds of millions around the planet Darfur, Haiti ablah ablah

host pious do-gooder concerts for popular international disasters like they are Pet Rock fads...get a big ol' vanity buzz going

and congratulate ourselves on our fabulous sense of humanity

Yep. And my belief is that we in America have put forth the notion that those downtrodden masses sleeping in the gutter deserve to be there by their own actions and are unworthy of our help. Which, personally is BS and I give to charities to help those individuals here as well as around the world, but it does seem that's attitude of many others.

[He Man]

I've been in that situation, more than once, and have made the decision to help. I guess you should do whatever lets you look at yourself in the mirror.

Your quoting me, so what is it your trying to say to me?


Lets recap, you've lived in NYC, saw a bum on the floor and dialed 911.
Or did you poke and prod every bum you see while you were living in NYC before you called 911?

Im pretty make the beast with two backsing amazed that you think youre a better person just because you inspect all 30,000 homeless people before you go to sleep at night.

And if you dont, its pretty sad to see you think that just because you make sure 2-3 homeless people are alive before they go to sleep hungry, dirty and without a job everynight, that you can look at yourself in the mirror.

Be real dude. Real people know they cant help a homeless guy except spare some change, and give him some food, a cig or some alcohol to ease the stress. Does it make me feel better at night? i can honestly tell you i dont care too much. I dont think about it. I dont feel anything about it. But i dont think im an asshole casue i didnt give him a place to sleep, or make sure hes okay  cause hes passed out drunk. What if the dude was coked up and stabs you after you stick your face in his?  And if you've seen as many homeless people as some of us, youll be desentized to.

The only thing i have to say is, bums dont normally collapse in the middle of the sidewalk. Thats about the only thing I can say that woudl throw a red flag for me. And even then id approach with caution. Id poke him iwth my foot and scream at him. Then call the cops, once they get the call, im bouncing.

[RAT900]

I never pass a Salvation Army kettle without stuffing money in it...

I used to call it an investment in my future...

but kidding aside, dollar for dollar they deliver

always research a charity's rating

plenty of sites on the web report how much of the dollar goes to the program versus the salaries and "expenses"

there are some real eye-openrs on what a scam it is in many cases