What ever happened to people being real "neighbors"

[GAAN]

Both interesting replies

To me it was just an opinion with a backing point of view

but

I am also more inclined to take her side do to similar viewpoints

I would rather have a giant yard, small house, and friendly neighbors

vs

a giant house , crowded easment, and a fence

but I think i'm with her on the greed portion

I think greed takes many more forms than simply the aquisition of things

[r_ciao]

most normal people will help others out if they can so long as it doesn't "inconvenience them", its when they "feel" that others are taking advntage of them that it becomes an issue.

getting here late to the conversation, but...

i help out often, especially with neighbors that i like (most) or those who might reciprocate (some).  i haven't turned down a request for help, but b/c i'm often busy doing something, i am able to help them at my convenience which is usually not at that moment or even the same day.  time passes and i "forget" about the request and "poof", my help is no longer needed.

side note.  i have a brother that has neither the skills, tools, or patience to do very minor fix-it jobs around the house.  he and his wife are both doctors and spend more money than i make.  he's cool, but his wifey thinks and expects that i will do almost anything for them.  i will, but on my schedule.  usually they just hire a professional b/c their needs have greater urgency than i can accomodate.  this keeps the peace and the requests in check.

funny stories all.  ride safe.  Ciao! [moto]

[badgalbetty]

you know nothing of my life and you do not know me.

Do not make assumptions about my life when you know me not.

After being punched in the face abused and spat upon for the last time and told to get the F out of my home I left. I took whatever I could grab and that was it. I did not have a knife or a fork. My 10 x 10 foot room is warm and safe, I am happy and safe here. My first spouse took their own life. I have lived in large fancy houses.I have in my past had more than most and I will again. This is a setback in my life, but spousal abuse is spousal abuse. I choose to live here because its all I can afford at this point in my life . It is better than the street. Do not so quick to judge others.

I speak from the experience of a life well lived.

BGB

[Triple J]

^^

You're right. I know nothing about you. However, your original post sounds arrogant. Maybe re-read it as someone who knows nothing about you. It is you telling everyone who has a nice house with a fence and a nice car that they are greedy and make horrible neighbors.

Sorry to hear you had to go thruough all that you described. That truly sucks.

[cyrus buelton]

nah.  It's greed allright.  greedy people who think neighbors should do shit for them.   Notice it's not the guys doing the stuff that are here ranting...

Who are you to say those ranting don't assist others?

I'm probably last on the list of roads to clear. If anyone can make a call, what with the lines being down and all. My wife is knocked up-if there's a tree in the road, I remove said tree (odds are I'm bringing it home to burn it anyways).



This might be because you're in a condo. Houses tend to need a lot of work.

that makes sense if you live in an area where you will be the last to be bailed out. I have no idea where you live, so I would not have known this.

I know that houses require a lot of work; I have lived in one before.

I do most of my outdoor work anyway because the make the beast with two backsstick's the complex contracts suck.

[GAAN]

It is you telling everyone who has a nice house with a fence and a nice car that they are greedy and make horrible neighbors.

but

they usually do...

[Grampa]

I have a nice car and a fence 

[GAAN]

I have a nice car and a fence 

you have a truck and a fence

that's different

lemme 'splain my POV

as the Tax Increment Finance district took hold on the mountain

Gentrification happened

locals moved out cuz it got too 'spensive to live

new houses got bigger and bigger rising to between 500,000 and 1.5 million

from the 64,000 range they used to run in

and along came the rich city folk with their nice things and fancy cars

they moved to the forest to be apart of nature and raise their children in a safe enviroment

so

they cut down all the trees on their property

replaced the vines and ferns for grass and metal halide lights

and built fences

They are wholey unfriendly unless you carry around a certain amount of zero's in your paycheck

and

they killed the Ratskeller

they made it a "Family Dining Experience"

The built a 5 story hotel in  between Charlies Mountain View and the Mountain

Now its Charlies-view-of-the-side-of-that-make the beast with two backs-awful-modern-retro-log-shithut

[cyrus buelton]

but

they usually do...

That all depends on the class of people

"faux rich" as my buddy Rat calls them........probably are like that.

The town I live in is such that (with the obvious exceptions that always exist).

Big houses, BMW's, fancy clothes, and zero dollars in the bank account or furniture in their 7000sq ft house


No fences though..........they are "illegal" here.

[redxblack]

I live in a condo in Ohio. MOST of my neighbors are good people. I walk my dogs 3x a day and get to know people on those walks. I've helped my neighbor put brakes on his (vintage) Benz, helped the old lady with her groceries, kept an eye on a neighbor's kid, given moto advice to an aspiring squid (take the MSF class!). There are good neighbors in some condos. There are bad neighbors as well (don't clean up after their dogs, rude/inconsiderate, housing 6 people in a 3 BR condo against the condo rules).

You take the bitter with the better and make the best of it. I'm currently keeping an eye open for a modest house where I can have a bigger garage/shop and a fenced in yard for the dogs. I'm taking my time because my neighbors aren't total jerks.

[Grampa]

you have a truck and a fence

that's different

the saturn is not a truck 

[SacDuc]

BGB,

I know more than you think. My wife had an experience almost identical to yours. Married to a rich abusive bastard, finally left because a counselor told her she had two choices, leave or he will eventually kill you. So while I have not experienced this myself I have had the most personal first hand account you can imagine.

The thing is, this has NOTHING to do with your previous post.

Read the part in my reply where I said that if you replace "bad neighbor" with something universally hated and then your argument becomes much more valid. I think "wife beater" qualifies. So my hunch was correct and now I see your point. But direct your anger where it is due. I stand by my statement, to condemn not just a whole neighborhood but an entire lifestyle, an entire class of people just because of your bad experience is not right. There were good people in your neighborhood, believe it or not. There are good people everywhere. There are horrific monsters everywhere too.

All that being said, I am in awe of the strength it takes to do what you did. My wife amazes me everyday with how kind she is. If I went through what she did I would probably have come through the other end a crumpled heap of a person. Bitter, mean withdrawn. I went through a fraction of that shit as a kid and I'm still a bit, well, bitter, mean and withdrawn.

I don't live in your neighborhood, but I would bet our lifestyles and values are similar. Small home with no need to "trade up." Happy to have a spot of our own, a little garden and some dogs. By this point you probably think I'm a huge prick, and that's okay, but if there is anything you need please send a PM to my wife (Polpetta) here on the board. She truly does know a good deal about what you are going through and we would both be happy to help if we can. And I mean that in truly the most neighborly way.

sac

[Triple J]

but

they usually do...

I'd say they sometimes do, not usually.

First, I said nice house, not McMansion. Fences are often used to keep dogs in, and neighborhood hoodlums out.

I have a nice house (not huge or anything) and a fence, and I try my best to be a good neighbor.

I also walk my dogs through the neighborhood next to ours...HUGE house, views of the Sound, lots of BMWs, etc. For the most part everyone there is very friendly...saying hi, chatting, petting my dogs, etc. when we walk by.

...and as a fireman I'm sure you would agree that cutting down trees on your property next to your house if you live in the forest is usually a good thing...creates a fire break and all. Not to defend the people moving in if they aren't nice people...but that one point seems valid.

Also consider...the "have-nots" (a relative term) are sometimes hostile towards the "haves" (also a relative term) when they move in and increase property values, viewing them as outsiders and acting unfriendly towards them before they even meet them. Which then causes the "haves" to be unfriendly in return. I'm not saying that's what happened with your situation, but something to consider. I witnessed it firsthand when my parents moved into a small town in central Oregon and bought a nice house (again, a relative term as my parents aren't rich by any means).

[Porsche Monkey]

Can't we all just get along? Don't wanna get this thread locked.   

[Pip]

I have real neighbors....

I've touched them.