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ducpainter

#3660
June 11, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 11, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
What's your opinion on a .17 HMR rifle, particularly CZ45x American series?

I've been researching on what to get next.  I want a traditional style rifle with accurate and relatively inexpensive ammo.  Not going to use it to hunt or shoot over 200 yrds.  The .17 HMR and the CZ rimfire rifle keep on coming.  It's peaking my interest.  Thoughts?
Try to get a 452.

I have one in 22lr.
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ducatiz

#3661
June 12, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 11, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
What's your opinion on a .17 HMR rifle, particularly the CZ45x American series?

I've been researching on what to get next.  I want a traditional style rifle with accurate and relatively inexpensive ammo.  Not going to use it to hunt or shoot over 200 yrds.  The .17 HMR and the CZ rimfire rifle keep on coming.  It's peaking my interest.  Thoughts?

17hmr is a pretty cheap round, but for the performance and price I would just stick with a 22. 

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ducatiz

#3662
June 12, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html

CZ model 485 in 223... $420 new..
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Goat_Herder

#3663
June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks.  There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate.  I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR. 

Here's where I got started thinking about the .17.  I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking.  It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks.  Love it.  Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit.  I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56.  I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.

This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles.  It was great fun.  But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like.  That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase. 

Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel.  Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots.  Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile.  Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.

But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be.  Is it too small?  ineffective?  gimmicky?  redudent?
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ducpainter

#3664
June 12, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/-p-6938.html

CZ model 485 in 223... $420 new..
That isn't a CZ...

It's a Zastava

Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks.  There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate.  I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR. 

Here's where I got started thinking about the .17.  I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking.  It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks.  Love it.  Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit.  I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56.  I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.

This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles.  It was great fun.  But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like.  That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase. 

Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel.  Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots.  Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile.  Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.

But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be.  Is it too small?  ineffective?  gimmicky?  redudent?
17 HMR is pretty pricey compared to 22lr.

I believe that's why it hasn't taken off because all the other attributes are there.
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rgramjet

#3665
June 12, 2012, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Thanks for the feedbacks.  There is definitely no argument against the good 'ol 22lr - its cheap and for <100 yrds, it's more than adequate.  I am looking for something different than what I already have, that's why I am considering a rifle in a .17 HMR. 

Here's where I got started thinking about the .17.  I've acquired a SIG522 and it's a fantastic rifle for plinking.  It's rock solid and looks like a million bucks.  Love it.  Recently thru a trade, I got an M&P15OR with a .22 conversion kit.  I really enjoy that, too. It's my first AR and first time shooting 5.56.  I dressed it up a bit and it, too, is fun gun.

This past weekend, a friend and I were out shooting our pistols and rifles.  It was great fun.  But when we got down to shooting long range targets (~90 yrds, bipod, 9x scoop), the two .22lr rifles weren't as accurate as I'd like.  That prompt me to think about what I want to get in my next purchase. 

Something with more accruacy, perhaps a longer barrel.  Maybe traditional with bolt action (and not so "tacticool) for consistent shots.  Something that's not crazy big and powerful with a effective range of 1 mile.  Adding up all these criterias, I arrived at the .17 hmr.

But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be.  Is it too small?  ineffective?  gimmicky?  redudent?

I dont have any experience with the Savage other than hefting one in a gun shop.  They are supposedly very accurate rifles.  Never cared too much for the fit and finish.

There are a few .17 HMR rifles in my safe.  Remington 597 which has been recalled due to missfires (with which I have personal experience)  need to send it back.  It was a great little rifle until it blew up in my hand.  TG my son wasnt shooting it when that happened!

Next is a Winchester 9417 which is a tube-mag lever rifle.  Very fun to shoot and worth over twice what I paid for it brand new. 

My favorite of the three is the Ruger 77/.17.  It has a 24" SS bull barrel and laminated stock.  Scope is a Burris 3-9x40.  I am very happy with the way it shoots out to 220m.  Shoot and see targets are a must if you want to track where these things are going!  I dont remember what the holdover is at 200 vs a 100yd zero......its not much!

Its a lot of fun to lob .22lr rounds at 6" steel plates at 220m to see if you can make it ding every once in a while.  The .17 is a consistant/trackable ding.
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ducatiz

#3666
June 12, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
That isn't a CZ...

It's a Zastava

CZ stands "Crvena Zastava".  So yes, you're right, but they are made alongside the CZ-USA arms officially imported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava



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ducpainter

#3667
June 12, 2012, 05:11:20 PM Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 05:15:07 PM by ducpainter
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
CZ stands "Crvena Zastava".  So yes, you're right, but they are made alongside the CZ-USA arms officially imported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Arms#Crvena_Zastava




In my mind CZ stands for Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod

I'm not very familiar with the Zastava stuff.

It isn't imported by CZ-USA.

I believe you're confusing it with this...

http://www.zastava-arms.rs/
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ducatiz

#3668
June 12, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
In my mind CZ stands for Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod

I'm not very familiar with the Zastava stuff.

It isn't imported by CZ-USA.

I believe you're confusing it with this...

http://www.zastava-arms.rs/

maybe i am...?
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ducpainter

#3669
June 12, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
maybe i am...?
Either way...

$420 for a NIB .223 is a good price.

The CZ's I'm familiar with are a bunch more.
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ducatiz

#3670
June 12, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
Either way...

$420 for a NIB .223 is a good price.

The CZ's I'm familiar with are a bunch more.

I have handled a Zastava mauser and it's indistinguishable from the CZ guns I've seen.  They are very nice.
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ducatiz

#3671
June 12, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 12, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
But from what I've gathered so far, .17 isn't as popular as I thought it'd be.  Is it too small?  ineffective?  gimmicky?  redudent?

it suffers from a few problems..

1.  rimfire.  can't reload and make your own loads.
2.  too much established 22lr out there -- 22lr is too damn cheap.  17hmr is a necked down 22 lr round, but that just makes it cheaper for the manufacturers not for the users.
3.  solution in search of a problem.

it's not a bad round, it's just not needed imho and therefore, it never will get more than a tiny market share.

22 magnum has been around for a while and is a fine round, so is 22 hornet and a few other in that class.  22mag is a rimfire and 22hornet is a centerfire (reloadable) but both are niche. 22mag solves the problems that 17hmr proposes to solve -- flatter trajectory, higher velocity -- and you can use lighter projectiles with it and the same barrels even... but no love...
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cokey

#3672
June 12, 2012, 05:51:29 PM
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ducpainter

#3673
June 12, 2012, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on June 12, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
I have handled a Zastava mauser and it's indistinguishable from the CZ guns I've seen.  They are very nice.
Looking at the site...

they're very different from the CZ-UB models in appearance.
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ducatiz

#3674
June 12, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 12, 2012, 05:52:26 PM
Looking at the site...

they're very different from the CZ-UB models in appearance.

Same basic Mauser action.  Take a look at one in person and you'll see what I mean.  Squint and you'll not tell the difference. I'd be surpised if the stocks weren't interchangeable.  No one is innovating on Mauser actions.
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