GUN STUFF

[Monsterlover]

What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?

[IZ]

My co-worker just bought one of these this past week.  She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.

[Rameses]

What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?

There're people here that definitely know better than I, but I'd guess it's to control how fast your ammo gets used up and how well you're able to aim.

[psycledelic]

My co-worker just bought one of these this past week.  She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.

Jesus, is that a door breach on the front?  That thing has got to be nose heavy. 

[Kopfjager]

Jesus, is that a door breach on the front?  That thing has got to be nose heavy. 

Appears to be a compensator.

[psycledelic]

Appears to be a compensator.

To each his own I guess.  I prefer everything out of my shotgun barrel move in the same direction; away!

[ducatiz]

What's the benefit to being able to adjust the rate of fire?

There're people here that definitely know better than I, but I'd guess it's to control how fast your ammo gets used up and how well you're able to aim.

pretty much it

muzzle rise, adjust for firing position, tactical choice.  

rate of fire has always been an issue.  part of the choice to move to 3-rd burst on the M16 series was to reduce waste and maintain accuracy, not to mention a full auto for a single infantryman is not that useful most of the time, and squads have a man often equipped with a SAW for when that kind of fire is necessary.

the old-school machine guns often had small magazines by today's standards.  the FND had a 20 rd mag and the BAR as well (30-06 is fairly long but the same diameter as 7.62/308) so you didn't have a huge reserve to draw from.  these designs were trying to bridge the gap between a belt fed or gatling type mg and an infantry rifle.

an FND unloaded is about 9 lbs.  they are heavy.  same basic design as a BAR except it has a QC barrel and improvements in the design (i.e. rate of fire).  plus, they are just pretty to me.

we had them for some training in israel, they were left over from '48 and '56.  a big advantage of the FND was the ability to swap caliber among 7mm, 8mm, 30-06 and 308 with small changes to the mag and extractor.  you could do it on the fly with 30-06 and 308.  all the examples we had were 7.62/308 and used FAL mags. 

My co-worker just bought one of these this past week.  She wants to have the holes in the heat shield done in red.

I can't say that setup appeals to me.  I love the mossbergs but that comp is too much.  you are redirecting the blast to your sides which means lots of blowby on anyone near you.

[rgramjet]

I fired a Weatherby TRR in .30-378 that had a similar looking compensator.  Felt like a 243, sounded like a .50.  People at the range complained after the first shot.

[Monsterlover]

Babies...

[fastwin]

Damn, that shotgun comp looks like it came off a .50 cal Barrett... only bored out to .72 cal for 12 gauge! Don't need that, just get the barrel Vang Comped and ported! All my Mossberg and Remington barrels are. Tight groups from the back boring and actually the barrel porting has been proven to reduce muzzle flash in the dark. Plus it needs a real stock. Pistol grip scatterguns are for movie props and jacking up 7-11s. Trust me.

[Monsterlover]

Sounds like you've put some time in jackin 7-11's?

[ducatiz]

Plus it needs a real stock. Pistol grip scatterguns are for movie props and jacking up 7-11s. Trust me.

I sort of agree.  PG shotguns are good for concealment, which is about the only purpose imho.  With an 18" barrel, it defeats the purpose and with a 4-5" WIDE comp, it obliterates the purpose. 

For instance, why would you put a rifle stock on this:



Anything under 14" and it is silly to have a rifle stock.

And I assume you mean a pg only -- not a pg with stock.  I have a Mossy 9200A1 "jungle gun" with a Choate Mark V and it is perfect.

[avizpls]

why have a stock on that? So you can aim it. PG only shotguns are nearly useless. Short shotguns with  a stock offer maneuverability in side buildings.

[ducatiz]

why have a stock on that? So you can aim it. PG only shotguns are nearly useless. Short shotguns with  a stock offer maneuverability in side buildings.

my point was that a pistol grip only makes sense on a short barrel.  a stocked short barrel has a purpose too, but a pg on a 18"+ barrel is kind of pointless imho.  I know some PDs have this setup for their car shotgun, but most don't, preferring to use a 14" barrel SG with a rifle stock.

there are circumstances where aiming is not primary (corrected myself).  under 15-20 feet or so.  a 12-14" cylinder choke barrel with buckshot has about a 12" spread -- like i said, the only issue for a pg shotgun is concealment tho, if you really want a shotgun that is.

[fastwin]

To each their own, no one is 100% right or wrong here. Whatever works for you. I just like to aim at things and full stocks help in that. I have several Class III shotguns (14" barrels) and all have full stocks shortened to "youth" length in pull. No pistol grips only and no pistol grip full length stocks. Just "shorty" full stocks. I like that therefore that's what I have. When someone brought a pistol grip only stocked shotgun to my classes they didn't last long before they wanted to borrow one of my full stocked loaners.

I will agree that the pistol grip only is great for concealment. No one in those 7-11s ever saw it coming. Oops!! I didn't mean to say that!!

On a serious note I will say a shotgun with a full length stock that has a pistol grip (especially if it's semi auto) has it's advantages for one handed/wounded shooter drills. Strong or weak side. I still like my set up on my scatterguns, just saying each stock type has it's advantages under certain situations. I like my stock set up because they are versatile in all conditions whether it's slugs at 100+ meters or shotshells at handshake distance. If something different rings your bell and works for you then cool.