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psycledelic

#420
September 20, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Do what I did and everyone can be happy.  ATI collapsible stock with homemade pull pin that replaced the mounting pin for the butt stock.  So now I can have a stock or pistol grip.  Looking at both, I probably prefer the collapsed stock as opposed to a pistol grip.  With a single point sling, mine is still manageable and a lot more stable when shooting.  But as RC said, to each his own.  In a pinch, I would grab my glock anyway.  It is much more accessible in a hurry. 
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fastwin

#421
September 20, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
My Remington, Mossberg and Benellis have GG&G single point sling attachments and I like them. [thumbsup]

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psycledelic

#422
September 20, 2010, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: rc51 on September 20, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
My Remington, Mossberg and Benellis have GG&G single point sling attachments and I like them. [thumbsup]

http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?cat=61&parents=60



Yep, I have the ambidextrous GG&G on my "in the house" gun.  Works great with the VTAC sling. 
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Monsterlover

#423
September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?

Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.

MB 500 seems pretty popular
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ducatiz

#424
September 21, 2010, 03:01:42 AM
Quote from: psycledelic on September 20, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Do what I did and everyone can be happy.  ATI collapsible stock with homemade pull pin that replaced the mounting pin for the butt stock.  So now I can have a stock or pistol grip.  Looking at both, I probably prefer the collapsed stock as opposed to a pistol grip.  With a single point sling, mine is still manageable and a lot more stable when shooting.  But as RC said, to each his own.  In a pinch, I would grab my glock anyway.  It is much more accessible in a hurry. 

I haven't found many of the ATI products to be good quality.  I have an ATI stock on an SKS but the finish leaves a lot to be desired.  The Choate stuff is far better IMHO as they are an OEM for several companies (I know Mossberg and Beretta, not sure about the others).

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fastwin

#425
September 21, 2010, 04:19:53 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?

Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.

MB 500 seems pretty popular

And for good reason. Two of my Class III scatterguns are Mossberg 590A1s (14" barrel) with factory ghost ring sights. I have no "true favorite", I like my Rem 870s and Police 1187s, the Mossbergs and the Benellis. The Mossbergs are very sturdy and reliable. My "loaners" in my classes were 18" 500s with g/s sights.

I like the fact that there is no spring loaded ramp or anything else in the way of the loading port. It is the fastest/easiest shotgun I have to reload. Shotguns are like revolvers. No sooner than you start shooting you are out of ammo. Many of the drills I ran in my courses had to do with reloading. Shoot one, load one. Shoot two, load two. Repeat. Repeat again. I'd run man on man shoot/load drills to add to the pressure to expose any problems. After a two day weekend class I think everyone walked away being able to reload as fast as they shot. Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch) has a "Rolling Thunder" drill that is an awesome tool for shooting/reloading skills. I ran it in my classes (giving full credit of course to Clint) and the students loved it. They often wanted to run it again at the end of the day. [thumbsup]

Just my two cents. ;D
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

Monsterlover

#426
September 21, 2010, 04:31:16 AM
Thanks.

What are your thoughts on pump vs semi auto?
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fastwin

#427
September 21, 2010, 04:58:10 AM
I have both and like both. Again, no real single favorite. With pump action I like the Mossberg 500/590 line and Remington 870s are the Chevy small block V-8 of the shotgun world. [thumbsup] In autos I really like the Benelli M1 Super 90 and the Remington 1100/1187 line up. Are we talking home/self defense or hunting or both? My comments lean toward home defense.

If you want an affordable, reliable all around shotgun look at the Rem 870 pump. With one gun and two barrels you have everything. Slap on a 26" or 28" barrel with screw in chokes and bingo you have a great bird hunting scattergun. Get home, take off that barrel and slide in a 18" barrel (cylinder bore) with bead or rifle sight and you have a great home defense shotgun.

Picking the right shotgun is no easier than picking the right handgun or rifle. Lots and lots of good options. Ask 20 folks on this thread and you'll get 20 different answers. Decide what you want to do with it and then set your budget. More of my devalued two cents. ;D
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

ducatiz

#428
September 21, 2010, 05:04:10 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 03:01:20 AM
Any tips for the shotgun noob?

Looking for an all arounder to shoot/home defense.

MB 500 seems pretty popular

The main difference in the 500 and 590 are the trigger group material and the tube length.  500 has a plastic trigger group body and the tube length is capped at 12", which means 4 2.75 shells max.  The 590 has a metal trigger group (most do) and the tube mag can be extended to the length of the barrel with any one of several cap extensions.  Functionally, they are identical otherwise. 

I am partial to the mossy 590 or the Remington 870, mainly because they are so ridiculously common.  Go to Gunbroker.com and search in the Shotgun accessories section and type "870" see how many listings come up.  Then type mossberg 500 or 590 and see.  Then try Ithaca 37 and see, and go on down the list. 

I like having plenty of options.  The Ithaca is a great design -- uses bottom eject instead of side eject, but there simply aren't as many options available for it.  Likewise the other fine shotguns (i.e. High Standard, Winchester 1300).. THey are great guns, but not as many gun-nerds decided to make stuff for them. 

That translates into cheaper maintenance, cheaper mods, and easier to fix when something breaks.


Quote from: Monsterlover on September 21, 2010, 04:31:16 AM
Thanks.

What are your thoughts on pump vs semi auto?

What do you eat a steak with?  A spoon or a fork?  If you say spoon, you are nuts.
What do you eat soup with?  A spoon or a fork?  if you say fork, you are crazy.

Point is, every tool has a job specific to its design.  There is a lot of crossover between pump and semi shotguns, but I would say to look at your personal use and how you would maintain.  Semis have gas systems which need to be cleaned and maintained, and pumps pretty much just need to be lubed. 
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

fastwin

#429
September 21, 2010, 06:14:30 AM
Good advice and comments. [thumbsup] I've got one old Ithaca 37 and they too are very fast loaders like the Mossbergs. Rem 870s and Mossberg 500/590s are like Monsters, built to be modded. ;D ducatiz is right, there are tons of accessories for both models. The list gets real short when you start looking at other brands.
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

ducatiz

#430
September 21, 2010, 06:21:11 AM
Yeah, look at the offerings that companies like Wilson Combat has (for their custom shotguns).  It is pretty much Remington 870 first, then Mossberg 590, then other models like the Benelli M4.
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

fastwin

#431
September 21, 2010, 07:04:03 AM
My Class III 870 is a Wilson Combat and most of my other 18" barrel 870s are the old Scattergun Technolgies models (prior to Bill Wilson buying them out). I'm still liking the versitility of the 870 depending on Monsterlover's needs/wants.
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

ducatiz

#432
September 21, 2010, 07:09:18 AM
Mine is a Wilson setup as well.  I really like the Wilson stuff now though, they have a great vision:  great finishes and fit, and fairly conservative accessory platforms.

I'd push the 870 as well.  Building one isn't hard either, I built a setup using a Magnum receiver and my own finished furniture.  That's just me tho.

Plenty of used 870s on gunbroker too.

Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

fastwin

#433
September 21, 2010, 07:15:31 AM
Agreed. Can't go wrong with that. [thumbsup] I'm interested in Monsterlover's thoughts.
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

Monsterlover

#434
September 21, 2010, 07:56:31 AM
Good info all around.

I like low maintenance that leans me more toward a pump gun.

Parts availability is also a + so I'll likely look at the Mossbergs and Remingtons

I love the look of the pistol grip with the telescoping stock, but Im not sure it would be as comfotable in the hand as a regular stock. . .
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**
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