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« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2011, 08:14:57 PM » |
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Hopefully I will have my bike professionally dyno tuned sometime this spring, I luckily have a "certified" power commander shop near my house.... So, I will be able to provide maps for everyone that has beyond the standard slip-ons....
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« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2011, 08:20:58 PM » |
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Certified? I know a ton of people that are Microsoft certified that can barely check their email. For your sanity I hope Dynojet certifications are a better indication of ones qualifications for a task than Microsoft's...
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« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2011, 08:29:57 PM » |
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Certified? I know a ton of people that are Microsoft certified that can barely check their email. For your sanity I hope Dynojet certifications are a better indication of ones qualifications for a task than Microsoft's...
Lol, well, it's a reputable full on tune shop that can tune the power commander. So, maybe they are a little more certified |
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« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2011, 09:19:59 PM » |
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Spent the winter looking and finally scored a new Autotune AT-100 for $150  ...... I'll be running the stock ECU with both 02 sensors operational (to begin with) so I guess I'll be welding two bungs into the exhaust. So you're gonna be running with 4 lambdas? And so only have your PCV+Autotune manage fuelling outside the stock closed loop? |
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« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2011, 09:22:15 PM » |
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So you're gonna be running with 4 lambdas? And so only have your PCV+Autotune manage fuelling outside the stock closed loop?
Yes, to begin with.. |
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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2011, 02:29:54 AM » |
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Spent the winter looking and finally scored a new Autotune AT-100 for $150 I may do a few dyno pulls just for shits and giggles. One OEM....one with just the PCV... One with PCV and AT-100. I'll be running the stock ECU with both 02 sensors operational (to begin with) so I guess I'll be welding two bungs into the exhaust. I'll post up the results when I get things done.... what's the point? the PCV comes with the parts to overide the original O2 to avoid the issue you're trying to put back in. it would be easier just to adjust that part during several sessions. there are dip switches to adjust the AFR it's sending back to the close loop. WHen I emailed them they said they've done a lot of work on getting that part correct before they ever sent out the kits. That was most likely the biggest delay in the launch for the 696 PC V |
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« Reply #66 on: February 20, 2011, 04:18:27 AM » |
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what's the point?
the PCV comes with the parts to overide the original O2 to avoid the issue you're trying to put back in.
it would be easier just to adjust that part during several sessions. there are dip switches to adjust the AFR it's sending back to the close loop. WHen I emailed them they said they've done a lot of work on getting that part correct before they ever sent out the kits. That was most likely the biggest delay in the launch for the 696 PC V
What "part" are you referring to? What "issue" am I trying to put back in?? My point is what I intend to do is have the stock O2 sensors and ECU working in closed loop parameters to maintain fuel economy, and have the Autotune correcting the PCV in all open loop parameters. |
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« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2011, 08:18:30 AM » |
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What "part" are you referring to? What "issue" am I trying to put back in??
My point is what I intend to do is have the stock O2 sensors and ECU working in closed loop parameters to maintain fuel economy, and have the Autotune correcting the PCV in all open loop parameters.
guess what I'm saying is that Dynojet has done the work in the closed loop and found the best perfomance AFR to be X. they set their bypass mechanism up to full the ECU that it is the correct AFR. it fixes the low end issues of the stock maps in that closed loop area. |
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« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2011, 10:25:11 AM » |
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guess what I'm saying is that Dynojet has done the work in the closed loop and found the best perfomance AFR to be X. they set their bypass mechanism up to full the ECU that it is the correct AFR.
it fixes the low end issues of the stock maps in that closed loop area.
Now are you referring to the PCV manipulating closed loop areas, or the Autotune manipulating it? Last I heard the closed loop area was untouched by the PCV??  |
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« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2011, 10:30:56 AM » |
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I believe that the "o2 optimizers" that come with the pcv trick the ecu into producing the most efficient afr in closed loop.
If you havnt seen the new pcv it's essentially two parts, the power commander, and the optimizers which plug into the o2 sensors. I dont believe you can adjust the mapping in closed loop but it is adjusted somewhat by the optimizers. How much and to what extent is beyond me however
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« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2011, 10:37:23 AM » |
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I believe that the "o2 optimizers" that come with the pcv trick the ecu into producing the most efficient afr in closed loop.
If you havnt seen the new pcv it's essentially two parts, the power commander, and the optimizers which plug into the o2 sensors. I dont believe you can adjust the mapping in closed loop but it is adjusted somewhat by the optimizers. How much and to what extent is beyond me however
I have the PCV installed currently. The O2 optimizers are non-adjustable and manipulate the OEM O2 sensor readings. From what Raux seems to be saying is that the PCV itself further manipulates the closed loop parameters?? That would be total news to me. Perhaps the "bypass function" he is referring to is the O2 optimizers? |
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« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2011, 11:03:09 AM » |
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I have the PCV installed currently. The O2 optimizers are non-adjustable and manipulate the OEM O2 sensor readings.
From what Raux seems to be saying is that the PCV itself further manipulates the closed loop parameters?? That would be total news to me. Perhaps the "bypass function" he is referring to is the O2 optimizers?
you can change the settings on the optimizers. there are dip switches inside. just ask dynojet for the settings. |
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« Reply #72 on: February 20, 2011, 11:28:59 AM » |
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you can change the settings on the optimizers. there are dip switches inside. just ask dynojet for the settings.
 That's news to me....Perhaps I have missed it in previous posts. That tidbit is definitely not in the manual. Thanks for that info |
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« Reply #73 on: February 20, 2011, 12:44:21 PM » |
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That's news to me....Perhaps I have missed it in previous posts. That tidbit is definitely not in the manual. Thanks for that info not widely known til now, because no one had been messing with it. I had asked originally when I was more involved in changing the airbox (on hold due to funds) and knew that my air/fuel ratios were going to change drastically. those with pods may want to work with it though. Contact Chris Kelly at Dynojet for details on the dip switches. |
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« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2011, 05:34:41 PM » |
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Got my AT-100 Autotune today.... smokin' deal at $150 delivered to my door (still happy about that) As I mentioned, I'm wanting to run the OEM O2 sensors and also mount up the AT-100. I now have a dilemma as to where to weld in the bungs. What do you think? I'm thinking behind the OEM sensors would probably be best. That's no problem on the rear cylinder header....however the front cylinder header only has a very small section before the Y-pipe and I'm thinking a person could risk erronious readings. Thoughts? |
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