Outerwears water repellent "Pre-Filters"

[Artful]

That's the type of feedback I was originally looking for, evidence from an actual rider that has used these before on their own bike that they produce a tangible result. Please don't take my presentation of my experience as anything more than trying to better understand why someone would put these on their bike.

Of course I wouldn't dump a cup of water into my bike for two reasons. One, that is the exact scenario that DOES cause hydrolock, not the trickle that rain causes. Second, no reason to stick my finger in the socket just because I know 110v won't kill me.

I don't have pod filters on my Monster, but I did ride a Sportster with a velocity stack/mesh screen filter for ten years. It went through more rain storms than I care to remember, and the mesh screen wasn't nearly as effective as a modern paper or oiled filter for particulates. When I tore the bike down last the cylinder walls were perfect and it never ran poorly in the rain. Because of that experience I tend to have a hard time buying into filter overkill using the 'it protects the motor' argument. The 'it runs better in the rain' argument is a totally different and completely valid. Also, just so we're clear, I never stated that a bike is going to perform as well with rain coming into the filter as one on a dry day, just simply that it isn't going to damage the motor, and not many people intentionally take the bike out in poor weather conditions. As we all know these aren't exactly BMW adventure tourers.

[DucHead]

Hmmm...I always equated "not running well" with "bad for the motor," but I guess that's not necessarily true.

[accrocker]

Let me chime in with real world experience. I just rode home 15 minutes ago through moderate thunder showers with a pair of k&n pods on a 695. I can tell you for sure that the engine is not happy with wet air filters. Open the throttle much more than 10% and the motor chokes out and will nearly stall before it is able to catch its breath after the water clears. i don't have to ride in the rain much here in San Diego, but $30 doesn't sound like a bad price to avoid a potentially hazardous situation of the bike stalling in traffic.

[ungeheuer]

Pouring water into an open airbox as long as you don't dump a bucket in, will not actually damage the motor.

Show me  .

Can do.

Civic Water Steam Cleaning Engine Part 1

  Not even close.  Show me that "Pouring water into an open airbox.... [of one's Ducati]... will not actually damage the motor".
Show me  .   

Pouring water into an open airbox as long as you don't dump a bucket in, will not actually damage the motor.

...I'm confused....

Of course I wouldn't dump a cup of water into my bike....  ....that is the exact scenario that DOES cause hydrolock.....

So just to be clear.... dumping a bucket in will damage you motor.... and if dumping in a cup of water will also damage your motor....  how much less than a cup can you "pour into an open airbox" and have it "not actually damage the motor"??  And can you show us you doing this just so we get the right idea  .

Thanks 

[ducpainter]

The point is that water from rain will not lock your engine.

Now if you guys left the freakin' airbox alone this whole thread would be moot.

[DucHead]

The point is that water from rain will not lock your engine.

Now if you guys left the freakin' airbox alone this whole thread would be moot.

Which would make it like every other thread I start!   

[ducpainter]

Which would make it like every other thread I start!   

You're too modest.

[DucHead]

You're too modhonest.

fixed

[ducpainter]

fixedblah blah blah

[Artful]

...I'm confused....So just to be clear.... dumping a bucket in will damage you motor.... and if dumping in a cup of water will also damage your motor....  how much less than a cup can you "pour into an open airbox" and have it "not actually damage the motor"?? 

You're trying to bait me and that's cool I guess but I think it's pretty clear that what I'm saying is that the quantity of water is irrelevant. The rate at which it enters the motor is what matters. Trickle it in and you'll be fine, dump it in and you've got a problem. You strike me as a bright guy so I'm sure you already knew that.

But humorless is right and we're all friends here. Plus this thread has crushed my dreams of pod filters so I hope y'all are happy.

[ungeheuer]

The point is that water from rain will not lock your engine.

... I knew that.. sheesh...  

Its the bucket and cup pouring thing that I'm concerned about.  

You're trying to bait me

Bait you? Moi?? Far from it my fellow DMF friend   .  

But is it not our duty to fellow DMFers and visitors alike, to ensure that advice given on a board as highly esteemed as this be accurate  ?  I wouldnt want anybody to pour slightly too much water into their motor and have it be ruined.  All we apparently know so far is this:

A bucket of water will ruin your motor.
A cup of water will ruin your motor.
Rain splashes will not ruin your motor.

But then....

Pouring water into an open airbox as long as you don't dump a bucket in, will not actually damage the motor.

...  and...  

what I'm saying is that the quantity of water is irrelevant.

Sooooo.... I'm a little confused and just wondering....  as to exactly how much water and exactly how quickly you can pour it into an open airbox.... without sustaining damage?

Cant wait for the show...    

[ducpainter]

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But then.... ...  and...  Sooooo.... I'm a little confused and just wondering....  as to exactly how much water and exactly how quickly you can you pour it into an open airbox.... without sustaining damage?

Cant wait for the show...     

Try it and let us know ... pot stirrer.

Seriously...

as a kid...sometime around the middle ages...

I watched mechanics dribble water directly into carburetors to bust up carbon.

How much?...at least 8 ounces over the course of a few minutes...but they were trying to save the engine not explode it.

I think that same amount of water all at once might do a motor in.

but since Artful's point was rain won't do it...yeah...he embellished a bit...so...

You're both right.

[Artful]

American water - 1,000,000,000 gallons at a rate of one gallon per cylinder per hour.

To convert that to Australian water just divide by number of gallons into pints of Fosters, so roughly 8,000,000,000 pints of Foster's can be poured into a 695 motor as long as it is the rate of eight pints per cylinder per hour.

My numbers may have a margin of error since the Foster's would be entering the cylinder swirling in the opposite direction.

[Artful]

Try it and let us know ... pot stirrer.

Seriously...

as a kid...sometime around the middle ages...

I watched mechanics dribble water directly into carburetors to bust up carbon.

How much?...at least 8 ounces over the course of a few minutes...but they were trying to save the engine not explode it.

I think that same amount of water all at once might do a motor in.

but since Artful's point was rain won't do it...yeah...he embellished a bit...so...

You're both right.

Aw man this is like today's modern little league where even the fat kid in right field with his finger up his nose gets a trophy.

I can confidently say I put about 100 gallons of water (100 x 8 = 800 pints of Fosters) through a VW motor with no ill effect. Like you said, blasts out carbon with the steam. Lets you run another three pounds of boost too.

[DucHead]

Plus this thread has crushed my dreams of pod filters so I hope y'all are happy.