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Diesel to emerge as bio-fuel of the future

Started by ducatiz, October 20, 2010, 11:32:56 AM

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erkishhorde

#15
October 20, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: humorless dp on October 20, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
The restaurant owners around here have a co-op of sorts and pool there veggie oil for use in their diesel vehicles.

One local mechanic has made a fairly lucrative side business doing conversions...tank and heater install etc.

Beats paying someone to throw it out for you.
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ducpainter

#16
October 20, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: erkishhorde on October 20, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
Beats paying someone to throw it out for you.
'Zactly.
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ducatiz

#17
October 20, 2010, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: erkishhorde on October 20, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
So that's why used french fry oil works?


WVO .  Waste Vegetable Oil and yes it works great.
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erkishhorde

#18
October 20, 2010, 04:09:08 PM
Is the diesel that is used today the same as the diesel that was used 20 years ago (I'm talking in the US). I vaguely remember (since I was 5 or so) that my parents didn't like to drive their diesel Volvo because it got shit mileage. But I remember a more recent thread that had some mileage talk in it mentioned how diesel now is "better" and mileage is pretty good. If the diesel now is different than the diesel of 20 years ago, does WVO still work in a new car or is that asking for trouble?
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ducpainter

#19
October 20, 2010, 04:12:45 PM
If you properly filter and pre-heat veggie oil (in cold temps) it works just fine.
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


zooom

#20
October 20, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: humorless dp on October 20, 2010, 04:12:45 PM
If you properly pre-heat and then filter the veggie oil (especially in cold temps) it works just fine.

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ducatiz

#21
October 20, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
Mileage wasn't as much of an issue 20 yrs ago.  Gas cars got 10 to 20 mpg and that was great.  Diesel cars got 15 to 25 and everyone was stoked because diesel was half as much per gal.

That being said, the old Volvo diesels had a tunable MFI that could be leaned for better mpg or enriched for more power.  Same on the BMW 528s.  Most people tuned them for more power and forgot about it.

My neighbor has a 240 diesel and pulls 35mpg.
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lethe

#22
October 20, 2010, 04:50:59 PM
I see I'm ahead of the curve.  8)
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ducpainter

#23
October 20, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: zooom on October 20, 2010, 04:32:29 PM
fixed it for ya!
My understanding is veggie needs no heat above say 70 F
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


rgramjet

#24
October 20, 2010, 05:32:39 PM Last Edit: October 20, 2010, 05:38:47 PM by rgramjet
Quote from: ducatiz on October 20, 2010, 04:01:22 PM
WVO .  Waste Vegetable Oil and yes it works great.

Iz, do you have a wvo setup for your vw?  If so, do you process your own?  I'm in search of an f350 diesel and have a couple buddys with waste oil connections.  Vegistroke seems to be the system for the Fords.

There's a local guy on craigslist selling 275 gallon water/liquid storage tanks for not too much dough.  Would be nice for keeping some wvo.

I've also seen processing systems for used vehicle oil and trans fluid.  A centrifuge is used to clean out the nasty bits.

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sbrguy

#25
October 20, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 20, 2010, 01:34:37 PM
Liposuction would be free.

Exhaust would smell like ham.

would smell like  [bacon] [bacon] [bacon] [bacon]

ducatiz

#26
October 20, 2010, 06:25:34 PM
Quote from: humorless dp on October 20, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
My understanding is veggie needs no heat above say 70 F

Generally, you have two tanks.  Start the tank on petrodiesel or biodiesel cut with kerosene and then switch over.  This is even for summer as the WVO doesn't start as eagerly as regular #2. 
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ducpainter

#27
October 20, 2010, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 20, 2010, 06:25:34 PM
Generally, you have two tanks.  Start the tank on petrodiesel or biodiesel cut with kerosene and then switch over.  This is even for summer as the WVO doesn't start as eagerly as regular #2. 
I realize you start it on diesel.

I was just talking about the veggie being thin enough to 'run' at about 70 without the tank heater running.

In the winter here the veggie will solidify without the tank heater.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


ducatiz

#28
October 20, 2010, 06:58:54 PM
Quote from: humorless dp on October 20, 2010, 06:53:12 PM
I realize you start it on diesel.

I was just talking about the veggie being thin enough to 'run' at about 70 without the tank heater running.

In the winter here the veggie will solidify without the tank heater.

gotcha!
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Howie

#29
October 20, 2010, 07:55:49 PM
Biodiesel is a product that has been refined as an automotive fuel, and is as pure as diesel.  The difference is it a vegetable product, not a petroleum product.  It is taxed as an automotive fuel. Warranty permitting, it function like diesel in your car or truck.  Depending on blend BTU content is a little less or even about the same as diesel.  A few years ago I met a woman who worked for a biodiesel supplier.  Her Golf diesel ran most of the 60K on the odometer on biodiesel without a problem, and the exhaust (the car's, not hers) smelled like french fries. 

"Grease", or reclaimed cooking oil usually is not taxed since it is not an automotive fuel but a waste product.  I said usually because few years back some poor soul was hit with a bill for a bunch of money and a fine for not paying tax on the waste cooking oil he was running in his pick up.  A "grease" vehicle will require a separate tank, filtering system and switching device since it will need to be started on diesel.  A heater is also a good idea if you are in a cold part of the country.  Btu content is also a little less.

Back in the '70s the Cadillac and Oldsmobile diesels may not have done so well in fuel economy or reliability but the diesel rabbit sure did. 50+ MPG was not uncommon and they ran for a long time.  My brother in law had a '79 Mercedes S class diesel (in other words, big and heavy) that got a consistent 28 MPG. 

Expect 10% biodiesel at a pump near you soon.  This will solve two problems simultaneously.  It will extend our fuel supply and help dispose of cooking oil which is considered an environmental hazard.  Bio fuels are a good idea as long as they do not compete with food supply.  Well, except for E10 and E15 [bang]

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