Jeep CRD

[Slide Panda]

Slowpoke posted?! Oh my!

There's a CRD Liberty clicking its way around my 'hood/ The only one I've ever seen

[herm]

I've been waiting for the Detroit boys to come out with a diesel half ton, but again, this Cali thing has poopooed that for years. Supposedly Toyota was going to develop a diesel Tundra after ditching the hybrid idea.

i would love a diesel in the tundra! Toytoa has plenty of diesels for their trucks/suv's. we just cant get them here.

[ducatiz]

i would love a diesel in the tundra! Toytoa has plenty of diesels for their trucks/suv's. we just cant get them here.

YUP.  Not one, but two different engines.  34mpg combined (city/highway)



http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?deepLink=HL3_Specification_new&nodiv=TRUE&fullwidth=TRUE&edname=specSheet_HL4&carModel=Hilux&zone=Zone%20NG%20Hilux&navRoot=toyota_1024_root

[slowpoke13]

I drove a diesel Hilux and diesel Land Cruiser while in Africa... Not to mention the diesel in the Hilux, they also have a stiffer frame (or at least used to).

[herm]

how would you compare it to your f150?

[slowpoke13]

I don't have an F150. But, I've driven the most recent Taco a bit (~200+ miles) and the Hilux. I loved the Hilux. It felt firmer. Obviously it was a bit more abused as I was driving over Africa dirt roads. But, I would have trusted it to take me a lot more places than a US Spec Taco.

[DW]

The Wrangler is offered with a CRD all over except the US. I'd love one. OH well...

So what, the turd of a minivan engine In the JK doesn't do it for you?  Me either. I've been wanting to replace my Cherokee with a wrangler for a while. The JK doesn't do it for me. A diesel JK though could really change my perspective.

In the meantime, I constantly harass my poor wife every time a nicely nodded LJ shows up on a local lot.

[herm]

I don't have an F150. But, I've driven the most recent Taco a bit (~200+ miles) and the Hilux. I loved the Hilux. It felt firmer. Obviously it was a bit more abused as I was driving over Africa dirt roads. But, I would have trusted it to take me a lot more places than a US Spec Taco.

sorry poke, mixing you up with one of the other navy folks

[zooom]

Slowpoke posted?! Oh my!

There's a CRD Liberty clicking its way around my 'hood/ The only one I've ever seen

personalized tag???...if so, that is a service writer here...he has one...and a 4Runner decked out for beach duty....

[slowpoke13]

So what, the turd of a minivan engine In the JK doesn't do it for you?  Me either. I've been wanting to replace my Cherokee with a wrangler for a while. The JK doesn't do it for me. A diesel JK though could really change my perspective.

I love my 4dr JK. The minivan motor sucked hard when I lifted her. But, had her regeared with 5.13s and she purrs now. Milage still sucks though. Hence the desire for the diesel. But, I can drop in a 5.7 or 6.1(2?) hemi. Hell, a few companies make kits for the swap too. And depending on the milage, it might be bout the same as it is now. Not that I need a hemi and it'd likely be overkill for any practical use. But, it'd be fun.

[DW]

Chrysler is an a very bad spot in regard to their powerplant options now. Their engines all seem to suck way more gas than the competition. I just bought my wife a Nissan Pathfinder. Pretty big vehicle with plenty of power and it gets 20-21 in highway driving. Our turd of a minivan was underpowered and got about 18 on the same trip. friends with durangos and grand cherokees are talking about mid to lower teens in mileage. I've driven anew liberty and it just sucked. That is not a truck engine. I'd love to take the engine out of my Pathfinder and put it in a lifted LJ. We need torque!!!

[the_Journeyman]

I wish Dodge would have put this engine in the Dakota pickup - that would have made an excellent little truck. 

I would have bought that instead of getting the 4.7 V8 in mine.

JM

[GAAN]

Chrysler is an a very bad spot in regard to their powerplant options now. Their engines all seem to suck way more gas than the competition. I just bought my wife a Nissan Pathfinder. Pretty big vehicle with plenty of power and it gets 20-21 in highway driving. Our turd of a minivan was underpowered and got about 18 on the same trip. friends with durangos and grand cherokees are talking about mid to lower teens in mileage. I've driven anew liberty and it just sucked. That is not a truck engine. I'd love to take the engine out of my Pathfinder and put it in a lifted LJ. We need torque!!!

complaining about the fuel mileage on jeeps is like complaining that a funny car wont hold a 1g turn

fact is the new Jeep JK has specs that kick the old TJ/YJ/CJ's ass


JK 3.7 V-6 has 205hp and 240lbs of torque vs. TJ 190hp and 235lbs/ft

JK 4.46:1 first gear vs. TJ 3.83:1 first gear

JK 4:1 low range vs. TJ 2.72:1 low range

JK 4.11:1 axle ratio vs. TJ 2.73:1 axle ratio

these numbers are fantastic, I have an added 15k in my TJ to get these numbers

but

the kicker is the JK has a fat ass, it's 1000lbs heavier than the TJ

thus the butt dyno says that the engine is lame duck

[1KDS]

My step mom has a auto JK and my dad has a 5 speed TJ, the TJ feels much snappier.  The JK is probably a much better vehicle but it needs a little something in the power department to be great (like a diesel).

[DW]

complaining about the fuel mileage on jeeps is like complaining that a funny car wont hold a 1g turn

fact is the new Jeep JK has specs that kick the old TJ/YJ/CJ's ass.


JK's are capable. Their paper specs look impressive.  The driving experience though, as you said is lacking. I also don't expect great things out of Jeep fuel economy. I do think that certain things could be done in the design to improve it. Diesels are more efficient, which is not a bad thing.  To get back on topic, I have wanted a diesel jeep for a long time. The torque characteristics and potential for longevity inherent with that type of powerplant make a great deal of sense. They would also easily kick the ass of the current engine. I know it was time for the 4.0 to die. But there are far better options elsewhere. Just not under the Chrysler umbrella.