Loctite vs Anti-seize

Started by Buckethead, January 20, 2011, 05:40:13 PM

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Buckethead

As I understand it:

Loctite keeps things from moving.

Anti-seize keeps things from corroding to each other and becoming a single piece of metal.

When/where should I/should I ABSOLUTELY NOT use either of these things on the bike?
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

scduc

I can only say that locktite on aluminum is not the greatest thing to do, unless you never plan on removing it. Also, the Ducati workshop manuals do a pretty good job of showing where to use locktite. I would think anti-seize on anything which gets removed regularly and is exposed to the elements. You will most likely get many responses here of personal preference
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As a general rule, anti-seize is particularly appropriate when joining dissimilar metals. 

ducpainter

Quote from: Buckethead on January 20, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
As I understand it:

Loctite keeps things from moving.

Anti-seize keeps things from corroding to each other and becoming a single piece of metal.

When/where should I/should I ABSOLUTELY NOT use either of these things on the bike?
The seat...

don't ever use either on the seat. [thumbsup]
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Quote from: alibaba on January 20, 2011, 10:55:03 PM
As a general rule, anti-seize is particularly appropriate when joining dissimilar metals. 
+1.  I use anti seize on the exhaust studs/nuts.  Not at all something that requires frequent disassembly, but when you want it apart.... you want it apart... and 'em nuts are soft.
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I'll be using anti-seize on my rearset bolts from now on after my latest stuck bolt saga.

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Quote from: ungeheuer on January 23, 2011, 03:35:51 AM
+1.  I use anti seize on the exhaust studs/nuts.  Not at all something that requires frequent disassembly, but when you want it apart.... you want it apart... and 'em nuts are soft.


  Copper high heat antiseize if you have access to it works best on parts that get very hot.
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junior varsity

there's not a good "rule", but sometimes I go about it like this:

low strength loctite on things that are prone to vibrate and external to the motor. Example: headlight brackets, mirrors, etc.

high strength loctite on stuff inside the motor

antiseize on dissimilar metals

Buckethead

Quote from: alibaba on January 20, 2011, 10:55:03 PM
As a general rule, anti-seize is particularly appropriate when joining dissimilar metals. 

Quote from: a m on January 25, 2011, 02:55:01 PM
low strength loctite on things that are prone to vibrate and external to the motor. Example: headlight brackets, mirrors, etc.

high strength loctite on stuff inside the motor

antiseize on dissimilar metals

Thank you. Very concise, and pretty much as I figured.  [thumbsup]

Now I just wish someone would tell the factory about anti-seize when wrenching steel oil-cooler fittings into the cast-aluminum engine casing.  :-\

Any idea if the threads will create a tight enough seal for the lines if the crush washer doesn't have a perfectly flat surface to crush to? You know, like if PART OF THE make the beast with two backsING ENGINE CASE BROKE AWAY when the stock fittings were removed?
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

ducpainter

Quote from: Buckethead on January 25, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
Thank you. Very concise, and pretty much as I figured.  [thumbsup]

Now I just wish someone would tell the factory about anti-seize when wrenching steel oil-cooler fittings into the cast-aluminum engine casing.  :-\

Any idea if the threads will create a tight enough seal for the lines if the crush washer doesn't have a perfectly flat surface to crush to? You know, like if PART OF THE make the beast with two backsING ENGINE CASE BROKE AWAY when the stock fittings were removed?
If there is any flat circular area around the hole it should.

Did material come off around the hole?
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Buckethead

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Quote from: humorless dp on January 25, 2011, 03:13:42 PM
Did material come off around the hole?

About a thread and a half off the top 1/3-1/2 of the "OUTLET" side.

edit: There's still a good 10-12mm of good threads for the fitting to grip, but the facing is definitely not flat. Ideally I'd have someone weld some material back in there and then thread the new metal, but that's not really an option at this point.
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

ducpainter

Quote from: Buckethead on January 25, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
About a thread and a half off the top 1/3-1/2 of the "OUTLET" side.

edit: There's still a good 10-12mm of good threads for the fitting to grip, but the facing is definitely not flat. Ideally I'd have someone weld some material back in there and then thread the new metal, but that's not really an option at this point.
It shouldn't matter if it's not full width.

Can you post a pic?
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Buckethead

Not right now, unfortunately. I should be able to get one tomorrow, worst case over the weekend.

Not like the bike is going anywhere for a while. It's in a "transitional" phase right now.  [evil]
Quote from: Jester on April 11, 2013, 07:29:35 AM
I can't wait until Marquez gets on his level and makes Jorge trip on his tampon string. 

ducpainter

Quote from: Buckethead on January 25, 2011, 03:31:23 PM
Not right now, unfortunately. I should be able to get one tomorrow, worst case over the weekend.

Not like the bike is going anywhere for a while. It's in a "transitional" phase right now.  [evil]
Damn kids...

you had to go and 'fix' it. :P
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