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DarkMonster620

January 29, 2011, 06:40:25 AM

Are either one of these worth the money?  Or, can I intall both? Or, both plus my TFI controller or a PC III?

http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html   

http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg

Thanks for all answers ...



Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#1
January 29, 2011, 06:44:09 AM
The cable upgrade is usually worth it.

What does the other thing supposedly do?
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DarkMonster620

#2
January 29, 2011, 06:45:36 AM
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 06:44:09 AM
The cable upgrade is usually worth it.

What does the other thing supposedly do?

From what Chris told me, it's like a MSD for the bike ...
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#3
January 29, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 06:45:36 AM
From what Chris told me, it's like a MSD for the bike ...
So a hotter spark kind of thing?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


DarkMonster620

#4
January 29, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
So a hotter spark kind of thing?

Sort of, here's a copy/paste of email,  "The AG Hammer power pulse box is a capacitor designed to smooth the
bike's +12V system while the
bike is running. The theory is that it helps feed the ignition coils
by supplying more juice when the coils need them." ...
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#5
January 29, 2011, 07:02:06 AM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
Sort of, here's a copy/paste of email,  "The AG Hammer power pulse box is a capacitor designed to smooth the
bike's +12V system while the
bike is running. The theory is that it helps feed the ignition coils
by supplying more juice when the coils need them." ...
The 620's have been known to be plug foulers.

If you have that issue then it might help.

IMO it would be better to have your injection set up properly first if there is a qualified tech nearby. The other FI Monsters of that vintage run the same ignition without issues. If you still have a problem after that then give it a try.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


DarkMonster620

#6
January 29, 2011, 07:04:49 AM
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:02:06 AM
The 620's have been known to be plug foulers.

If you have that issue then it might help.

IMO it would be better to have your injection set up properly first if there is a qualified tech nearby. The other FI Monsters of that vintage run the same ignition without issues. If you still have a problem after that then give it a try.

Nate,

Remember my posting about exploding and flames ... New Iridium plugs, barely 1000kms, damaged, fouled ... Tech, the only one I know is writing this post as of now ... An Autotechnician .... Not a Ducati tech ...
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#7
January 29, 2011, 07:06:56 AM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 07:04:49 AM
Nate,

Remember my posting about exploding and flames ... New Iridium plugs, barely 1000kms, damaged, fouled ... Tech, the only one I know is writing this post as of now ... An Autotechnician .... Not a Ducati tech ...
Have you ever used an exhaust gas analyzer on it?

Synched the throttle bodies?

Adjusted the air bleeds?

All that should be done prior to adding devices.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


DarkMonster620

#8
January 29, 2011, 07:11:45 AM
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:06:56 AM
Have you ever used an exhaust gas analyzer on it?

Synched the throttle bodies?

Adjusted the air bleeds?

All that should be done prior to adding devices.

Before I added the TFi controller the bike went for the 10 000kms service ... trim was set at 24 to stop popping while descelerating ... after TFI, I took it to  a shop that has gas analyzer ... it was withing spec 8~12% at idle, 2500rpm for 30secs and 4000rpm for 15secs ...
Then suddenly one day .. pop pop pop .... worst than a 2 stroke ... Now down here it's me, the forum and all the help I can get online ... I know the one mechanic and former service manager from the dealer have open shop somewhere, but, the Duc owners here are so snobby that if you don't own a S*R model or SBK ... you're not welcome in their circle ...
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#9
January 29, 2011, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 07:11:45 AM
Before I added the TFi controller the bike went for the 10 000kms service ... trim was set at 24 to stop popping while descelerating ... after TFI, I took it to  a shop that has gas analyzer ... it was withing spec 8~12% at idle, 2500rpm for 30secs and 4000rpm for 15secs ...
Then suddenly one day .. pop pop pop .... worst than a 2 stroke ... Now down here it's me, the forum and all the help I can get online ... I know the one mechanic and former service manager from the dealer have open shop somewhere, but, the Duc owners here are so snobby that if you don't own a S*R model or SBK ... you're not welcome in their circle ...
8-12% sounds too high, but I may be wrong.

Since you removed the TFI have the symptoms gone away?

My buddy ducvet has a theory that if all of a sudden the bike develops a problem 99% of the time it was the last thing touched. He's been proven correct 99% of the time.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Howie

#10
January 29, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
8-12% is rich.  4-6% would be better.  This should be set with the TFI disconnected.  

http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html    
Good stuff, but I can't imagine why you would need this in Panama

I agree with Nate about
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg
Get TPS, CO, CO balance (air bleeds) and synch right first.  I have no FHE about that product, but would probably go with Chris's "Exact Fit coils" first.  Call Chris and get his opinion.

DarkMonster620

#11
January 29, 2011, 07:53:21 AM
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:23:06 AM
8-12% sounds too high, but I may be wrong.

Since you removed the TFI have the symptoms gone away?

My buddy ducvet has a theory that if all of a sudden the bike develops a problem 99% of the time it was the last thing touched. He's been proven correct 99% of the time.

The 8~12% was in the 'green' area of the display ... it goes to 15% .. he had no exact # for Ducati or any other bike ... it was a favor, it costed $0.00 ... TFI is no longer installed since the failure happened bout 15miles form home I yanked it off ... Problem is not 100% gone, still get some missfires, we only have 91 oct and 95oct[US rating sytem], MY bike wont work with 91 ... starts doing what's being doing and it only has been fed 95 ...

Quote from: howie on January 29, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
8-12% is rich.  4-6% would be better.  This should be set with the TFI disconnected. 

http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html   
Good stuff, but I can't imagine why you would need this in Panama

I agree with Nate about
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg
Get TPS, CO, CO balance (air bleeds) and synch right first.  I have no FHE about that product, but would probably go with Chris's "Exact Fit coils" first.  Call Chris and get his opinion.

The 8~12% was in the 'green' area of the display ... it goes to 15% .. he had no exact # for Ducati or any other bike ... it was a favor, it costed $0.00 ...

TFI is no longer installed since the failure happened bout 15miles form home I yanked it off ...

Humidity + Salty air + lots of rain = lots of corrosoin ...

Well, I'll need to purchase lots of tools ... hand and other type ...

I quoted Chris on the AGHammer pulse box about 6 or 7 post above ...

Due to this failure, I've got fuel mix with freshly poured, last 3 liters of Shell Advance 10W40 ... Repsol is out of 10W40 till end of March, Bellray doens't import 10W40, Castrol only 'grey imports' 20W50 no Amsoil or Rimula diesel[US spec] available. Mobil's importer doesn't even care about bikes ... Remaining available oils, 20W50 in, mineral, semi and full synth ... too thick for APTC clutch ... To import oil, no matter how much quantity, I need to pay $400.00 fee due to 'HazMat'
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#12
January 29, 2011, 08:09:37 AM
You shouldn't need 91 or 95. The Ducs in the states run best on 87.

When you say misfire do you mean popping on decel?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


DarkMonster620

#13
January 29, 2011, 09:08:05 AM Last Edit: January 29, 2011, 09:12:24 AM by Darkmonster620
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 08:09:37 AM
You shouldn't need 91 or 95. The Ducs in the states run best on 87.

When you say misfire do you mean popping on decel?

OK, here we only have 91 and 95 ... MY Duc don't like 91 starts 'sputering' and missfires a lot more ...

Yes, I do get an occasional, brrpbrp ... while riding between 3500~4500rpm ... never has left me since I got the bike ...

No, when I mean missfire I mean missfire, and when decel, pop pop thru air box ... and little flames thru exhausts ... like a race bike ... compression was at 175 lbs ... I don't know how to read non metric gauges ... I get messed up
Carlos
I said I was smart, never that I had my shit together
Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

ducpainter

#14
January 29, 2011, 09:12:13 AM
I think you have a problem that the device isn't going to fix.

You need to set up your injection first and go from there.

Do they use ethanol fuel in Panama?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


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