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« on: February 05, 2011, 09:34:27 AM »

I'm looking for info. on changing out the forks on a 696. Does any know if the stock 696 calipers, rotors & wheel will bolt up to the 848/1098 forks ?
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 10:12:51 AM »

Calipers yes
Rotors yes/no - see below
wheel yes/no - see below

but you'll need some more things.

triples or bore and shim old ones,
brake rotors with correct offset (15mm) or spacers for old ones (5mm spacer),
     (unless you get sbk wheel then use sbk rotors)
sbk axle with sbk spacer (i used one monster one sbk can't remember which)
 (not sure how using sbk wheel changes that)

also the sbk forks are longer. so you'll need to work on that by pulling them through the forks more.
and not sure if they'll fit under the stock bars. many go to clipons instead.

if you want at this point you can also grab the rear suspension clevis from the 1100 and raise the bike taking advantage of the longer forks

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 11:14:08 AM »

Thanks Raux

The 696 lower triple seems to be 52 mm and I thought the 848/1098 were 52mm. The top 696 seems to be 50mm, the 848/1098 I thought is 52mm so I think boring the top is the simplest for me, are my measurments wrong ?

There's 60mm Rizoma risers on the 696 now and there is at least 50mm from the triple to the bars so raising the tubes should not be a problem but I like the idea of the 1100 clevis  the 848/1198 forks & clevis may add a little more lean angle to that low riding 696. But if I don't go for the clevis would you measure the forks off the bike compare numbers and then raise the 848/1098 forks the difference in numbers ? In other words if the the 1098 forks are lets say 8mm longer then I raise them 8mm to maintain the same bike geometry ?

I'd like to use stock wheel (cost savings)  I guess the 696 rotors have a 10mm offset & the 5mm spacers go between the rotors & hub.

Is the stock 848/1098 axle the same as the "sbk" axle and again I'm guessing that the spacer go between the wheel & forks and there will be one on each side of wheel ?

Thanks  again for your help
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 11:56:19 AM »

SBK forks are 53/53 in showa, 53/56 in ohlins

Spacer goes between the wheel and the rotor.  It spaces the rotor out 5mm from the wheel, and yes...one on each side.

No idea on axle size on stock wheel. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 01:07:02 PM »

you need the sbk axle because of the forks. the stock wheel with fit it though. the two axle spacers go on either side of the wheel.

yes you understand the fork length issue

TAft explained the rotors

the monster triples. are 50/54 so you need to bore the upper shim the lower
unless you get the ohlins they you need to bore both.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 09:19:01 AM »

Sorry for being a pain in the ass but you guys are saving me a bunch of time (Thanks guy's) Just a few more questions
 
Do you know of a source for the shim materiel for bottom triple ?

And I was thinking the 5mm shims for the rotors I could use individual 5mm washers 1 at each rotor bolt which will leave a 5mm gap between the rotor & wheel except at the washers, but since these are the front brakes I want to be sure to shim it properly. Would the washers work or do I need a solid shim & if so do you know of a source for that type of shim material.
 
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 09:25:37 AM »

I think motowheels sells the shims you need.

as far as the rotors, i think there are minor sponsors that can make some up for you.

Here's a pic of my front end.



I went without the rotor shims and used Braking rotors for a 2002 748R which are 6 bolt 15mm offset, but a pain in the ass to source.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 11:26:43 AM »

Nice looking front end ! It may take me a month or so to gather up all the parts I need but the ball is rolling, I'll post up some pics when it's done.
 Thanks for your help
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2011, 01:09:48 PM »

Here you can find some info I´ve uploaded some time ago for an "How To":
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=36913.msg649160#msg649160

And here a website where you can find the shims for forks:
http://www.desmoworld.com/shop/de/adapter-buchse.html

@ Raux - I will try to find those rotors. Really like them.
So, I have to find for a 2002 748R which are 6 bolt 15mm offset. No other Ducati Model?

Thank´s

Paulo
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2011, 02:26:08 PM »

pretty certain that's the correct year.

http://www.braking.com/it/catalogue/dettaglio_prodotto.php?codice_articolo=STX62D
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2011, 07:04:28 PM »

Save yourself $60 or whatever they are charging for a "shim".

www.mcmastercarr.com

Search shims, or shim stock.

Use brass of the appropriate thickness.  Bend it around the fork and trim prior to sliding the fork into the triple.  Use a strap wrench or other tool to form it around the fork.  Make sure there is space for it to tighten up (a slit).  Install. 

Take the $50 you saved and go buy a steak  waytogo
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2011, 09:32:29 PM »

Save yourself $60 or whatever they are charging for a "shim".

www.mcmastercarr.com

Search shims, or shim stock.

Use brass of the appropriate thickness.  Bend it around the fork and trim prior to sliding the fork into the triple.  Use a strap wrench or other tool to form it around the fork.  Make sure there is space for it to tighten up (a slit).  Install. 

Take the $50 you saved and go buy a steak  waytogo


Tell you what, any of you guys get to Nor Cal & I'll buy you all some beers !
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 01:06:00 PM »



Those rotors are nice & an easy fix for the off set problem but I'm trying to save a little money. Your 100% right the rotors are a pregnant dog to find. I found a guy on another forum selling an "almost new" pair of Galfer rotors for a good price  the part number of the rotors in Galfers catalog show them as a 320mm, 4.5mm thick, 6 bolt pattern with a 14.5mm off set the bike listed for that rotor is a 2002 998. Do you think there will be any problem with that .5mm difference ?
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2011, 03:11:33 PM »


Those rotors are nice & an easy fix for the off set problem but I'm trying to save a little money. Your 100% right the rotors are a pregnant dog to find. I found a guy on another forum selling an "almost new" pair of Galfer rotors for a good price  the part number of the rotors in Galfers catalog show them as a 320mm, 4.5mm thick, 6 bolt pattern with a 14.5mm off set the bike listed for that rotor is a 2002 998. Do you think there will be any problem with that .5mm difference ?
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those are the correct ones
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2011, 03:42:02 PM »

Thank-You !
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