696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK

Started by 2-Skinny, February 23, 2011, 07:49:14 AM

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2-Skinny

I don't own a Ducati...but I wrench on one.

graydo

Guys I am very interested....more so in Raux suggestion of making it work with the Lithium Ion batteries...may as well save as much weight as we can right? to add even more value to the exercise if we could standardize the stacks and filters perhaps we could get a bike to Rexxer for a dyno tune????? this could be a real collective effort. happy to help in any way I can.
I'm in.....credit to the lads behind this.

ungeheuer

Quote from: graydo on February 25, 2011, 03:11:05 AM....perhaps we could get a bike to Rexxer for a dyno tune?????
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mattc7

Quote from: graydo on February 25, 2011, 03:11:05 AM
more so in Raux suggestion of making it work with the Lithium Ion batteries

we could standardize the stacks and filters perhaps we could get a bike to Rexxer for a dyno tune?????

Different Batteries are different sizes though, speedcell, Mavyrik, Shorai, Antigravity, are all differently sized slightly. I think this would make it hard to standardize.

Tuning would require exhaust. A standard higher flow design could get close, but it still isn't optimal.  Alot of work to ship the stacks have it tuned, and then need to alter it anyway with PC5 if you want it, "RIGHT"

graydo

Quote from: mattc7 on February 25, 2011, 03:35:24 AM
Different Batteries are different sizes though, speedcell, Mavyrik, Shorai, Antigravity, are all differently sized slightly. I think this would make it hard to standardize.

Agreed they will be different, but given the amount of interest in this "new" battery innovation I cant think of too many people not prepared to shed the weight, so considering we are looking at a bracket that amongst other things will secure the battery, I feel we should try and allow for the "smaller batteries" I am sure the guys Ryan and Do Work Son have considered this and are on top of this already.

Tuning would require exhaust. A standard higher flow design could get close, but it still isn't optimal.  Alot of work to ship the stacks have it tuned, and then need to alter it anyway with PC5 if you want it, "RIGHT"

Again agreed but personally I am not looking for a race tune, just better than what comes from the factory, most guys going to the trouble and cost of removing the airbox are going to have the full exhaust already and I would be brave enough to say flow variations between differing brands will be minimal, I also suspect most of the "open pod arrangements will be similar in flow characteristics so again a close enough tune should be possible. I am curious if the impressive results Ung achieved at low and mid range are less to do with the stacks etc  and more to do with "fresh" clean air being available at low speeds rather than breathing in contaminated fouled air created by valve overlap, fouling can be a common problem with semi aggressive cams and common airboxes where a certain amount of engine speed is required before the airbox / plenum will clean up.

Obviously one of the biggest challenges here for the boys is to get a common kit that everyone will agree with... wars have been started in the past over lesser things... regardless I am still in.

All the best to you all.


Raux

Quote from: ungeheuer on February 25, 2011, 03:32:51 AM
Calling Mr Raux?  Mr Raux to the white courtesy telephone please.........
Yeah, I should call the guys in Italy and see if they want to work on something.

DoWorkSon

As far as the battery question. The bracket allows the battery tray to stay in place. The bracket supports the tray. So, if you get a battery that can fit in the tray, then it will work. I imagine aftermarket, lighter batteries will easily work, as long as you can secure them in place using the OEM tray.

Here is the design so far... Measurements are not exact on this and it is NOT to scale. However, looking at the bike, this is probably going to be how it will roughly look like....

Feel free to chime in with ideas on design for the inside of the brackets. Anyone want a certain logo? shape? "DMF". If I can draw it, it can be put in there...

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Raux

Where are you mounting that to?

Can you show me a small drawing how it mounts to the frame?

DoWorkSon

Quote from: Raux on February 25, 2011, 11:26:48 AM
Where are you mounting that to?

Can you show me a small drawing how it mounts to the frame?

Still working out mounting points, but probably to the points where the stock airbox was mounted. Those mounting points are not in the design yet. I have to get the angles, lengths, and all that.

The small tab on the lower left side mounts to the frame. Directly underneath were there tank slips in. If you look at the left side of your bike, just beneath and to the left of the bolt that attaches the tank cover, you should be able to see a bracket with a hole in it. Not sure what its there for or why, but it's where it will be mounted.



Here is a pic(sorry about quality). The arrow is pointing to the bracket which is behind frame.

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Duc796canada

I love R&D. Good job folks, what most people are not realizing in this venture is, most products from starting of development go through many changes and even after production, there is more changes. Numbers change, budget wise and so on. heck even Lockheed, General Dynamics and Boeing all find out that the original budget price might be exceeded, many times! Good on you for thinking out side the box, patents are the hard part to get!
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Raux

Have you thought about the coils and starter relay? they all are mounted to the airbox. and all the wiring issues.
the throttle cables are run through a holder on the box as well.


2-Skinny

Quote from: Raux on February 25, 2011, 12:23:09 PM
Have you thought about the coils and starter relay? they all are mounted to the airbox.

When we do the tear down once the velocity stacks arive we will confirm placement of those items.
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