696/796/1100 Airbox Eliminator Bracket for Pod Filters/ Velocity Stacks <-- LOOK

[DoWorkSon]

Oh, and another update...

Right now, I have received numerous messages about interested parties. We are getting close to 10 people stating that they want the bracket.

Ryan(2-skinny) is meeting with fabricator this week.

With 10 people, I can get the bracket for $40 delivered to my house within 12 business days from the online vendor. So, $40 plus shipping to everyone... Pretty much an awesome deal if you ask me.

Hopefully, the production time/cost will be a little less with the local shop. 

Also changed up the design a tad for the starter solenoid. This replaced the prongs that held it with a simple bracket design that would be held in place by a zip tie which it slipped through the rubber housing and through the notches. It will be far more secure and stronger this way.

[jfgducat]

sorry but i still dont get this part 


Description:
Specially designed “in house” by Lorin at Ducshop this kit will optimize midrange, peak horsepower and torque for Ducati’s Hypermotard and Sport Classic. Eliminates the stock airbox for better air flow and allows more cooling air to the rear cylinder. Works well with any DP ecu and PCIII or a Microtec for best results.

Works well with any DP ecu and PCIII or a Microtec for best results. 

From Ducshop
'''I haven't tried the kit with a stock ecu but mine didn't really need a PCIII when I used a DP Termi or DP cam ecu, Microtec is another option or a PCIII might wortk with the Fat Duc O2 modulator.'''

I have a Monster 796 with termi, and dp ecu racing
do i still need to buy a power commander and tune it . to run the Hyper stack?

[mattc7]

the old mareli ecu was tuneable to a point. the Siemens in the 6/796,1100 automatic adjust within a narrow scale.  

you need a pc5 or else your bike runs like shit.  case closed.  do you don't need it,  but if you don't want your bike to run like a turd you want it.

[ungeheuer]

Can i get away with running the ducshop kit just with my Dp Ecu on my 796?

Any intake modifications which enable to motor to fill its lungs with more air also needs to have that more air balanced with the correct quota of more fuel.  Otherwise whats the point?  A PCV is the add-on which allows you to dialup more fuel to go with the greater volume of air you can inhale.  Make sense?

its hard to say offhand.   it shouldn't cause a problem.

Sorry mattc7, I completely disagree.  It's easy to say. And in all likelihood will cause problems: Increasing air-intake volume alone will do nothing except create a state of lean fuelling.  

It shouldnt cause a problem? You identified some of the likely problems in the same post:

you will undoubtedly run lean though which will make it harder on starts and poorer running in general.   you may see a gain but the chance is that it is minimal or worse a loss due to poor tuning.  also rideability should suffer

and

you need a pc5 or else your bike runs like shit.  case closed.

I seriously would not modify the intake without also adding some way to increase fuel.  And a PCV will do that fuelling job well.

sorry but i still dont get this part  

Description:
Specially designed “in house” by Lorin at Ducshop this kit will optimize midrange, peak horsepower and torque for Ducati’s Hypermotard and Sport Classic. Eliminates the stock airbox for better air flow and allows more cooling air to the rear cylinder. Works well with any DP ecu and PCIII or a Microtec for best results.

Works well with any DP ecu and PCIII or a Microtec for best results.  

jfgducat, none of the above is relevant here.  Hyper and Sport Classic run Marelli ECUs - a completely different animal.  M696/M796/M1100 all run Siemens ECUs.  If you modify the intake the only way to get these ECU's to fuel more is to add on some kinda piggy-back management device (like PCV) or have your ECU custom-flashed and Rexxer-Dynoed.  The second of those options isnt achievable for most of us and so that's why most of us have chosen to go the PCV route.

[mattc7]

my version of problem is engine harm.  it shouldn't get lean enough to cause serious engine harm.  just shitty performance and crappy economy.    night not even start if too lean

[Link]

Yeah, I should call the guys in Italy and see if they want to work on something.

Nice gesture, if Rexxer develops a map for this set up then count me in.
 Thanks

[2-Skinny]

Nice gesture, if Rexxer develops a map for this set up then count me in.
 Thanks

Do you already own the Rexxer module?  If not, the cost is pretty much the same for the Power Commander, if not less and there are maps for the PC.

Additionally, the cost to get in on this bracket should be cheap enough that buying it now for future use is really affordable.  Just my 2 cents...

[mattc7]

Do you already own the Rexxer module?  If not, the cost is pretty much the same for the Power Commander, if not less and there are maps for the PC.

Additionally, the cost to get in on this bracket should be cheap enough that buying it now for future use is really affordable.  Just my 2 cents...

Rexxer gets full tunes.  PCV doesn't function in the closed loop sections of the map. They do offer the optimizers, however it's not documented that this is optimal.

Rexxer eliminates O2 sensors, makes it all tuneable so you can fully utilize the PCV.  If they had a map for it, then no need for the PCV, and all your tuning is through a map not a piggyback

[DoWorkSon]

Isn't the problem with the rexxer is that there are limited maps and that the only tune center for rexxer is in Europe somewhere? I know it's a great option, but from what I have read, maps for specific mods is a little limited....

[ungeheuer]

Rexxer eliminates O2 sensors, makes it all tuneable so you can fully utilize the PCV.  If they had a map for it, then no need for the PCV, and all your tuning is through a map not a piggyback

All true  .

Isn't the problem with the rexxer is that there are limited maps and that the only tune center for rexxer is in Europe somewhere? I know it's a great option, but from what I have read, maps for specific mods is a little limited....

Also all true  .   

Dont really wanna threadjack your airbox elimination thread with this stuff, but it is kinda associated.....   IMO the ideal setup would be to have your ECU custom flashed and setup on a Dyno with fuel mapping specifically tailored to your own setup - in this case having eliminated the airbox.  This can be done right now by Rexxer at a Rexxer tuning facility.  Works pretty much the same as visiting your local Dynojet centre and having them map your PCV, except that Rexxer are creating a custom map directly for the ECU.  No piggy-back device needed.  Beautiful.  Beautiful that is if you live in Europe, close enough to one of Rexxer's tuning centres to take your bike along and have your ECU mapping created on their Rexxer-Dyno.

The rest of us have gotta settle for second best:  A reflashed ECU to delete the stock closed loop with a Rexxer map written to get close to ideal for your setup.  Onto which you add your PVC in order to tune more precisely to your individual setup.

Rexxer gets full tunes.  PCV doesn't function in the closed loop sections of the map. They do offer the optimizers, however it's not documented that this is optimal.

Correct. PCV itself doesnt do anything in the stock closed loop although the optimizers do a pretty good job of "fattening up" the fuelling in the closed loop.  Not documented as optimal, no.  But I have tried it this way and IMO it works pretty well.  Dont knock it as a good first option.

So, if you're gonna eliminate your airbox then IMO (unless you can custom flash the ECU, as talked about above) then a PCV is a must have.

As a nice next step you can also reflash your ECU to remove the closed loop and then utilise your PCV to manage fuelling throughout the entire rev range.

Best of all lets all shout Raux  until he agrees to get his arse over to one of Rexxer's German tuning centres  .

[Raux]

problem is i don't have the cash to try out all the options.

[Link]

Do you already own the Rexxer module?  If not, the cost is pretty much the same for the Power Commander, if not less and there are maps for the PC.

Additionally, the cost to get in on this bracket should be cheap enough that buying it now for future use is really affordable.  Just my 2 cents...

Yes I already have the Rexxer User set-up (and really like the mapping), so if Rexxer produces a map for this set up the cost to me would be minimal.

[asherrick]

...the optimizers do a pretty good job of "fattening up" the fuelling in the closed loop.

As much as I've read on this subject I should know this, but what are the 'optimizers'? Do they come with the PCV or is that a separate purchase? If so, how much do they cost and where do you get them?

[Raux]

As much as I've read on this subject I should know this, but what are the 'optimizers'? Do they come with the PCV or is that a separate purchase? If so, how much do they cost and where do you get them?

come with the PC V

[Raux]

I know the German location, Ducati Saarland, where they can produce some maps, but apparently there finally is one place in the states where they are making Rexxer maps, Redline performance in Yorktown, VA. Not sure if Desmoworks in CA is doing the maps, but they sell it.

So if you guys are near either place you can talk to them directly.

I talked to Chris the other day. Their local Daniele Moto location in Germany is just a warehouse, the tuning is in Turin, so not likely i can take a quick trip til summer. I would need a van full of parts to test all the configurations you guys are coming up with.