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[ungeheuer]

Conceptually I prefer the custom map, but it doesn't seem as flexible.

Yup, thats kinda how I feel too.

there's another option

maybe you can get them just to delete the O2 loop and not custom map for less.
then run a PC V

Which is pretty similar to what I have ended up with, except that I'm also running Autotune to bring it all together.  Gives me the greatest flexibility, which is fun..... but once you have your setup finalised, I do think the theoretical neatness of a custom mapped ECU is the ultimate solution. 

[ChrisH]

What I've been contemplating is finding an ecu hacker from the car scene that has access to a newer gen monster and offering to pay them to see I they can come up with a tuning solution. I mean, for my old car I tuned it myself using freeware tuning software. I had to open up my ecu to solder on some reflashable EPROMs. The total cost was less then $100 and that was buying the hardware to do the flashing, the EPROMs, cables, etc. Seems like someone should be able to modify an existing piece of software for the maps and such, and just figure out a way to interface with the monsters computer. I wish I knew how to program. I have a couple spare 696 ecu's if anyone knows anyone that may be up to the task.

True.... But you are paying a ton of money for that... I don't know how these companies justify charging $250+ to plug your ecu into a computer, load up a map, and then mail it back to you....

I'm sure there are other costs associated with it, but that just seems rediculous to me. It took me 30 second to load a map on my pc5...  Not sure how it can't cost that much to reflash an ecu...

Maybe we should get a group buy going where someone with a rexxer unit reflashes our ecu's for us and we all donate some money to offset the cost they initially paid...

Same with power commander, someone pays to have bike dynoed and tuned. Then everyone pitches in for the map if they want it..

[mattc7]

True.... But you are paying a ton of money for that... I don't know how these companies justify charging $250+ to plug your ecu into a computer, load up a map, and then mail it back to you....

I'm sure there are other costs associated with it, but that just seems rediculous to me. It took me 30 second to load a map on my pc5...  Not sure how it can't cost that much to reflash an ecu...

Maybe we should get a group buy going where someone with a rexxer unit reflashes our ecu's for us and we all donate some money to offset the cost they initially paid...

Same with power commander, someone pays to have bike dynoed and tuned. Then everyone pitches in for the map if they want it..

Standard "User Units" link to a specific ECU, and will not flash a second one unless the stock map has been returned to the initial bike first. It could probably be a security weakness in the software, however I have no time to really hack into my rexxer, especially if I mess something up trying to fix it (I do programming and know a few languages well, however, my skills aren't sharp as they used to be)

To get a professional credit compatible rexxer, you need to lay out 1600 euro ~= $2300 US. This gives you 10 flashes. After this you can buy extra "batches" of flash "credits"
10 - 1,110.66 EUR  =  $1600 USD
20 - 1,904.00 EUR  =  $2700 USD
30 - 2,380.00 EUR  =  $3400 USD

Then additional cost of approx 100 euro or $160 USD per cable so that you can flash many bikes (you'ld never make profit flashing only 1 ECU type).

If you want to be able to tune/edit maps, then it's an additional $3000 EUR = $4300 USD, and $1100 EUR = $1600 for the Lamda probes that allow the software to see AFR from the exhaust.

So to itemize a list of possible "Cost effective Solutions"
1 Rexxer
30 extra maps
software
1 of each cable (2 for now, just ducs)
lambda sensors

you're in for $12,000 plus s/h.  At 40 maps, you cut even charging $300 a map, plus shipping of the ECU. At which point you need to order another set of 30 maps, and the price goes up.  Marginal cost does drop substantially over time, however, unless you're flashing hundreds of maps, the value for the shop charging $250-300 is minimal.

Rexxer, and similar companies spend months on R&D per ECU type, and then if they make a map for each bike, add in power costs to dyno tune, and bike time.  I doubt the unit is costly hardware wise, but the backend is definitely very pricey to deconstruct the ecu code and alter it.

You need to move high volumes in order to bring prices back to earth.  The Fixed costs here are very large, but the only varying cost is that of the credits, so eventually given enough maps, the cost per map comes down to a piddling ~ $114, and depending on initial pricing and volume, it's highly possible you may never get nearly that low.


With that said, anyone who wants to put in enough money, and ship their exhaust to redline for mounting and tuning on my bike this summer (I will not likely make this trip without minimizing my financial hit, it's just not enough of a return to have a more elegant solution, to a plain functional one), let me know, and you can donate via paypal, however, it's ~= $600 per map, plus hotel for me to get there  

I could use a vacation though!

[2-Skinny]

Shit, for that price could fly you there and ship your bike...

[Veloce-Fino]

Shit, for that price could fly you there and ship your bike...

Is $600 what redline charges for a custom map?

Forget it then. I'll still buy the bracket but I'm not spending $1,000 to get a new ecu and intake for a 696. Maybe if I was riding an 848, but not worth the money on a 696. I'll stick with a DP spec reflash and air filter. ~$300 total for this.

[mattc7]

Is $600 what redline charges for a custom map?

Forget it then. I'll still buy the bracket but I'm not spending $1,000 to get a new ecu and intake for a 696. Maybe if I was riding an 848, but not worth the money on a 696. I'll stick with a DP spec reflash and air filter. ~$300 total for this.

$300 for flashing the map, and $300 for making the custom map, so in total 600, and it is a 1-2 day process depending on service schedule, drop off time, etc.

I totally can understand their justification for this, as if you look at my prior post, they probably aren't making much money through the process.  Dyno for 4-8 hours (possibly more), plus $250ish to flash for them, is reasonable to understand the cost, however it is still hard to stomach.

A PCV, is going to run $300 for the unit, and another 250-300 for the tune.  So it's not a huge cost savings to go this route, however the travel, and time is minimized. For the PCV to maximize effectiveness, you must already have the ecu flashed to remove the lambda sensors.  This is another $300 if you send out, or 550 (at the exchange rate when I bought mine) for the rexxer unit. So total PCV cost is actual 900-1150, and one could see the custom made rexxer map as a substantial piece of savings then.

 I value my time highly, and 3-4 days of traveling, for me, is very costly in both fatigue and money.

[mattc7]

any airbox removal hints? I haven't even looked at it to see what's required to remove it, but from what I hear it's not too complicated

[DoWorkSon]

any airbox removal hints? I haven't even looked at it to see what's required to remove it, but from what I hear it's not too complicated

It's very easy. Took about 30 min. The longest part was removing the tank and the tank covers.

[Veloce-Fino]

It's very easy. Took about 30 min. The longest part was removing the tank and the tank covers.

With the bike running is the intake noise noticeable?

Being ~$300 in on this project now are you planning get the custom reflash and dyno tune?

[DoWorkSon]

With the bike running is the intake noise noticeable?

Being ~$300 in on this project now are you planning get the custom reflash and dyno tune?

I have had the bike in pieces since starting this project, so I have not been able to start it up yet with filters on.

I'm imagining that there will be noticeable intake noise... Which i'm hoping for. Maybe ung can chime in on this since he has them already.

I am going to have a custom map made at the local dyno shop. I am not going to re-flash though... At least not yet. I cannot justify spending $250+ just to remove o2 sensors.

[ungeheuer]

With the bike running is the intake noise noticeable?

Much more noticeable then when it isnt running  .

Yup, there is quite a satisfying and rather noticeable induction roar when you haul on the throttle  .

[Mhanis]

Status check B.......

[2-Skinny]

Checked with fabricator today, they are very busy and we are basically next in line in their work queue.  They told me they will produce the prototype Monday or Tuesday and once DoWorkSon and I confirm fitment, then we will have them produce our quantity and coat them.  Sorry it's taking longer than anticipated, who knew fabrication shops are recession proof... 

[MadDaddy]

Whew, just finished reading all 10 pages of this thread. Count me in if you figure out a coil mount solution. (Charcoal canister removed)

[mattc7]

who knew fabrication shops are recession proof... 

They aren't really.  Most of the less-good ones no longer are working, which is why the rest are so busy!