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avizpls

#60
May 05, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
The 4 channel trick didnt work. That whole "half" of the system must be shot. I sent them an email (and Im telling them here) that they really must not be able to help ME out in MY situation. I ask for a refund, and shipping costs if they want them back.

And no Im not giving them up now or thereafter. Maybe someday if I can find the ACTUAL problem since it must not be Ignitech  [roll]  I'll pay repair fees and get new ones. If I give them away, I wont have that option.
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junior varsity

#61
May 05, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
in that m900 motor i'm rebuilding, it would be a real advantage to have an adjustable ignition, but I'm concerned that I'll be fighting with dying units, etc, if I buy an ignitech (for that matter, fingers are crossed that the 2d one currently on my M900 stays alive)

so, anybody want to take a gamble on a japanese or german alternative with me?

i'm considering ordering one of the various items out there, might be more affordable if i was ordering more than one, would at least save by combined int'l shipping...

ducatiz

#62
May 05, 2011, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: j v on May 05, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
so, anybody want to take a gamble on a japanese or german alternative with me?

i'm considering ordering one of the various items out there, might be more affordable if i was ordering more than one, would at least save by combined int'l shipping...

i would be interested but all of those are far more complicated than the ignitech design (which may be part of the problem, but it shouldn't be).

There's no reason to need anything more than replacing the CDIs.  If Ducati can offer advance units that don't fail, then someone else can too. 

I have old Bosch BTZ type advance units which are 30 years old and still work great.  There is nothing peculiar about these bikes which means an programmable advance unit is by definition unstable.

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#63
May 05, 2011, 01:52:55 PM Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 02:02:56 PM by j v
I can't believe that adjustability is inherently unreliable/unstable.   perhaps there is an issue with fluctuations in voltage causing failure, or that in addition to heat, but it must be resolvable.



wonder how difficult it would be to petition the folks at motogadget to build me an "all-in-one" system off their M-Unit fuseblock/flasher/relay assembly that had a programmable ignition built in, with a single cable output to their gauge.

junior varsity

#64
May 05, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
like the most rudimentary drawing here:



The M-Unit already can do a "lot", I'm imagining a fairly comprehensive unit to replace all the separated 'lectronics on the bike, leaving only the coils, output devices (headlights, gauge-display, turn signals, brake light, shift light, etc) and pickups/sensors still external (since none of these parts could be built in and serve their purposes), if that makes sense

monsta

#65
May 05, 2011, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: j v on May 05, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
wonder how difficult it would be to petition the folks at motogadget to build me an "all-in-one" system off their M-Unit fuseblock/flasher/relay assembly that had a programmable ignition built in, with a single cable output to their gauge.

that'd be cool..
I think I'll be getting an M-unit when I get around to tidying up the wiring. All in one would definately be on the shopping list.
93 M900 - 07 ST3 - 00 748s trackbike - 78 900SS - 13 848 EVO Corse SE

junior varsity

#66
May 05, 2011, 02:57:12 PM
I *believe* using the M-Unit will involve a bit of rewiring for sure, but really nothing extreme - more like the similar wiring issues related to installing an aftermarket gauge where the Ducati wiring may use different # of wires for a particular task (like instead of LH and RH indicator, the duc simply has a flasher indicator).

I like the idea of the M-unit because it takes up little more room than the OEM fuse block, and has the flashers built in, and can be coupled with the key-fob proximity sensor lock (M-Lock i believe).


My thought is the ignitech-like gadget could be built into this device, which would provide with adequate power (switched, conditioned, well grounded, etc) and further consolidate the electronics to a convenient spot. The location on the old bikes is certainly away from the motor, so heat is not so great a concern, and even if a slight concern still, a small electronics fan could be integrated into the unit.

koko64

#67
May 06, 2011, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: chris on May 03, 2011, 07:47:44 PM
We (California Cycleworks) replaced more than a few at our cost. The ones we sent back to Ignitech in CZ were returned to us with the explanation that nothing was wrong with the units which were dead on arrival or sudden failures on otherwise stable running motorcycles.

There is one small batch of TCIP4's coming that I am giving to customers as warranty replacements. Ignitech owe me a few $thousand for these (and more) replacements before we buy any more. I would advise against buying that brand until they can guarantee support. I've lost $$$$ on them, so they're done getting the free support from Ca Cycleworks.

Gud times,
Chris

Sorry to hear that, very bad news indeed. Good will is everything and they are losing it. To deal with a respected, high profile, high volume distributor like that is entrepreneurial suicide.
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ducatiz

#68
May 06, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
Quote from: j v on May 05, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
like the most rudimentary drawing here:



The M-Unit already can do a "lot", I'm imagining a fairly comprehensive unit to replace all the separated 'lectronics on the bike, leaving only the coils, output devices (headlights, gauge-display, turn signals, brake light, shift light, etc) and pickups/sensors still external (since none of these parts could be built in and serve their purposes), if that makes sense

i'd prefer a separate unit that can be removed.  combining everything means a SPOF and higher expense for the unit if it needs replacing.  combining the controls and sensors for the bike apart form the ignition makes sense, but not hte spark control.
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junior varsity

#69
May 06, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
howza 'boot a two-piece design where spark control was done with 2nd unit, connected directly to first unit via cable for reporting back rpm, etc. (would be useful for spark kill on quickshifters)

ducatiz

#70
May 06, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
Quote from: j v on May 06, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
howza 'boot a two-piece design where spark control was done with 2nd unit, connected directly to first unit via cable for reporting back rpm, etc. (would be useful for spark kill on quickshifters)

That makes a lot more sense.  If you're smart, you make the output on the first box with rpm some sort of "open" design so other people can design their own boxes for it.
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avizpls

#71
May 09, 2011, 06:08:58 AM
I dont want to speak too much on it so as to curse myself, but stay tuned for what I hope to be the solution! Fingers crossed!  [popcorn]

It could be the solution to many instances of failed ignitechs.....Cautiously optimistic
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#72
May 09, 2011, 06:31:00 AM
Will they replace the bad ones too?  If htey do that and make it right for Chris, then I see nothing wrong.
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avizpls

#73
May 09, 2011, 06:36:21 AM
I dont know about them making it right with Chris. Thats a whole other issue itself. They've stuck their neck out pretttty far (to my direct benefit) and with no real help from Ignitech.

If this works, then I will most likely be paying if I want to have my dead units repaired.  [bang] But, thats the way it is I suppose. I'd like at least one spare.
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#74
May 09, 2011, 08:10:08 AM
I had a guy take a look at mine -- they are epoxy filled so all the guts are sitting inside, buried in epoxy.  It's a curious choice given other electronic devices (such as the PCIII) are not and work fine.  I wonder if they did it just to prevent people from cracking it open and duplicating the EEPROM
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