Sharing Power Commander Custom Maps?

[uglyducky]

cool,
problem solved.  i need speeddog to have a look at a faulty low fuel light so, when i'm there we'll get you that map. 

[booger]

Would you really want someone else's custom map?  I mean unless your set up is EXACTLY the same, it probably won't run right.

^this

Take two S4RS Monsters with different mileages from different parts of the country for example, exact same intake/exhaust on both. PCIII and dyno them. Two identical bikes with identical equipment.

They will have different tuning parameters, because of their differing baselines. Say one is running different compression numbers than the other, a very plausible scenario. Not only plausible but highly likely. One's had a recent valve check and found to be merely in spec while the other had a tedious valve adjustment performed with zero closing shim clearance - perfect. One's cams are off by a degree from the factory (commonplace). Both had the throttle bodies synchronized, but by different people with differing levels of perfectionist tendencies. A fuel injector on one has a spray pattern that's slightly irregular, nothing noticeable by the rider.

These are some of the reasons why you should go and get your own map. If one could swap maps between bikes like that and have it come out consistently, then everybody's dyno sheets would all look the same since a lot of mods are common between these bikes. As it stands every dyno sheet is different, because every bike is different, even if the bikes are the same. Some bikes inherently run better than others, and this is fact. This is due to inherent miniscule differences that add up in the end.

This is not to say the bike won't run. It just won't run as it would if it were optimized for your machine, which is the whole point of a custom map.

Get the engine baselined to the best of your ability, then trailer it to a good dyno shop and have your PCIII mapped. Using somebody else's parameters is imprecise and won't necessarily translate well to your bike regardless if your bike and mods are identical.

[DarkStaR]

There's a very very small chance it'll be perfect...almost impossible.  Being close would be a success if you were to ask me.

It's free, why not.  If it doesn't work remove the map.  No harm, no foul.  Find a Dyno at that point.

Would I use some elses map...Nope.  Would I sit there and try to tune it myself...Nope.  But that's me.  

Maybe someone should ask why do they offer maps on the Power commander web site then? 

[booger]

They offer the canned maps for people who just want to get close and don't care about that extra bit of perfection. These are the people who live hundreds of miles away from a Dynojet place or just don't want the trouble or expense. It also allows Dynojet to sell more PCIIIs, by claiming a 'plug & play' retrofit. It works fine, but for best results you need to get it tuned on a dyno.

For my part, I'm not sure a PCIII is worth the $300 or so if it's not tuned for my bike. I don't understand the point of having the capability if it's not going to be put to use. It's like using a sniper rifle to shoot paper targets @ 50 yards. Why not dial it in so it's tight all the way out to 1,000?

A DP ECU realistically speaking is all an S2R800 needs, providing the rest of the bike is tuned and running the way it's supposed to run; valves, cams, & throttles set accordingly. With a DP ECU, dialing the mechanicals in properly will do more to eliminate flat spots & smooth the power curve out than not dialing anything in, leaving it factory (very rare to have the valves & cams set dead-on from the factory) and masking the out-of-wackness with a piggyback PCIII device and tuning it on a dyno. Most people don't go that route. I always say that a PCIII is a fine gimmick as long as all the other bases have been covered beforehand.
 
Nobody's going to get a huge power increase out of an S2R800 & PCIII without major engine work anyway. If you just want to smooth out the power curve in my opinion you can do that by tuning and adjusting the mechanical aspects of the valvetrain, a school of thought a lot of people surprisingly don't appreciate. Again, these bikes commonly come from the factory well off-baseline just because Ducati knows nobody seriously races them and doesn't care to apply the resources necessary to ensure perfect spec from the factory. They're Italians not Germans, and they commonly drink on their lunch breaks.
 
If you go with the PCIII, why not run a canned map from the website or somebody else's map, it definitely won't harm anything and won't cost you a dime. I'd probably do the same anyway. If it doesn't provide that night & day improvement you expect, or the result is somehow anticlimactic in some way, I'll bet dollars to donuts you will be up at night thinking about where to get the thing tuned.

[uglyducky]

They offer the canned maps for people who just want to get close and don't care about that extra bit of perfection. These are the people who live hundreds of miles away from a Dynojet place or just don't want the trouble or expense. It also allows Dynojet to sell more PCIIIs, by claiming a 'plug & play' retrofit. It works fine, but for best results you need to get it tuned on a dyno.

For my part, I'm not sure a PCIII is worth the $300 or so if it's not tuned for my bike. I don't understand the point of having the capability if it's not going to be put to use. It's like using a sniper rifle to shoot paper targets @ 50 yards. Why not dial it in so it's tight all the way out to 1,000?

A DP ECU realistically speaking is all an S2R800 needs, providing the rest of the bike is tuned and running the way it's supposed to run; valves, cams, & throttles set accordingly. With a DP ECU, dialing the mechanicals in properly will do more to eliminate flat spots & smooth the power curve out than not dialing anything in, leaving it factory (very rare to have the valves & cams set dead-on from the factory) and masking the out-of-wackness with a piggyback PCIII device and tuning it on a dyno. Most people don't go that route. I always say that a PCIII is a fine gimmick as long as all the other bases have been covered beforehand.
 
Nobody's going to get a huge power increase out of an S2R800 & PCIII without major engine work anyway. If you just want to smooth out the power curve in my opinion you can do that by tuning and adjusting the mechanical aspects of the valvetrain, a school of thought a lot of people surprisingly don't appreciate. Again, these bikes commonly come from the factory well off-baseline just because Ducati knows nobody seriously races them and doesn't care to apply the resources necessary to ensure perfect spec from the factory. They're Italians not Germans, and they commonly drink on their lunch breaks.
 
If you go with the PCIII, why not run a canned map from the website or somebody else's map, it definitely won't harm anything and won't cost you a dime. I'd probably do the same anyway. If it doesn't provide that night & day improvement you expect, or the result is somehow anticlimactic in some way, I'll bet dollars to donuts you will be up at night thinking about where to get the thing tuned.

empirically speaking, i do have to agree that my bike runs better than any other i've ridden (and i've ridden many in the sss monster class) and truly was worth the time and $$ of getting it dyno'd.  i can see what bergdoerfer is saying and it seems totally feasible and makes sense. 

[DarkStaR]

Just for arguments sake:

Wouldn't running a DP ecu w/o a termi exhaust be similar to running a canned map or a map from another bike with similar mods?  Parts not tuned for each other either way.

Each bike is different, but the DP ecu is the same for the model range.

The OP doesn't seem to have a termi exhaust so the DP map will not be tuned for that...just like a canned or shared PC3 map.

I'm not saying sharing a map will yield the best results, but regardless of the results, it'll be a learning experience that "should" have little consequence that will be reversible.

With all arguments aside, yes the dyno will yield the best results.  Even after getting a custom map, I brought it back a second time with more mods for even better results.

[booger]

Yes, a DP ECU is fixed canned map. That's what I have.

I'm saying get a PCIII if you want. But do yourself a favor and baseline your bike then visit the dyno, don't just slap the thing in there and use a canned map derived from some other bike. That other bike probably ran better than yours to begin with, and the parameters used to tune it could be nonoptimal for your machine.

The difference could mean several net horsepower & torques and no jaggy lines on the sheet. Isn't that what people buy a PCIII for to begin with, for performance?

[DarkStaR]

Or just get a PCV with the autotune feature.  

[Speeddog]

~~~SNIP~~~

Isn't that what people buy a PCIII for to begin with, for performance?

Usually, yes.
And that's a bit of a shame.

Because when used properly, it can dramatically improve rideability, which is what most folks need.

[Ohm3d]

anyone have experience with the S2Rs and hyperstacks and PC3?