How hard? M1100 motor into 696

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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2011, 03:16:29 PM »

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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2011, 04:35:36 PM »

Quote from: RC Fan on July 25, 2011, 05:29:24 AM

I agree with Raux. Go for the 1100! I am a short chick as well, and that is what I would like to do. Any chance you can elaborate (maybe send me a PM)on adding to the soles of your wife's boots? How did you do this, and did she have a hard time adjusting to the thickness of the soles?

This is her 4th bike, and I have tried to get her to go to the bigger soles before, she finally did it this time and it was fantastic result. I had to adjust the gear shift lever all the way as high as it would go with the adjustable linkage.

P.S. She was only joking about the 1100 engine, as she absolutely loves this 696, handling, power, light weight, the whole package.

She took her tourmaster waterproof boots to a local cobbler and he cut some soles from a sheet of rubber and glued them on, great work, but I imagine normal for a good cobbler.


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2011, 04:54:15 PM »

Pretty big difference in the stroke between the 696 vs 1100, so I would guess the ECU would need a new map at least, probably too lean and narrow for the 1100. But, if I had one I would try it just because, then check the plugs or may could tell by listening.

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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2011, 04:54:36 PM »

Quote from: RC Fan on July 25, 2011, 05:29:24 AM

Pm sent on boots detail.


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2011, 04:02:23 AM »

Quote from: tiger_one on July 25, 2011, 04:35:36 PM

Quote from: Justjean on July 25, 2011, 04:54:36 PM

Pm sent on boots detail.

Thank you both for the info and the PM! It's very helpful to talk to someone who has actually done this!


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2011, 04:58:31 AM »

Quote from: tiger_one on July 25, 2011, 04:54:15 PM

Pretty big difference in the stroke between the 696 vs 1100, so I would guess the ECU would need a new map at least....

+ 11ty billion.

Quote from: tiger_one on July 25, 2011, 04:54:15 PM

But, if I had one I would try it just because, then check the plugs or may could tell by listening.

This I would not do.

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 24, 2011, 04:18:39 PM

Questions regarding this I am curious about:

1) Is ECU on 1100 the same pinout and if there are map/flash differences what are they and can they be flashed onto a 696 ecu.

This is a crucial issue to resolve. If 696 and 1100 ECU hardware is the same, then I see no reason why an M696 ECU could not be reflashed as M1100. Gotta get past that initial "if" to begin with though.... I'd really like to know the answer to that one.........

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 24, 2011, 04:18:39 PM

2) Are there any additional engine sensors on the 1100 that affect ECU operation.

M1100 idler stepping motor?


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2011, 02:28:16 PM »

Okay-

S2R 1000 motor as possible cheaper engine option.

Swingarm WILL work from 696...

Accepted that 696 injection / intake setup can be MADE to work...

ideas on exhaust- diameter, same flange, etc...?


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2011, 09:08:09 PM »

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 26, 2011, 02:28:16 PM

your ECU, wiring harness, gauges... etc... wow, that sounds worse


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2011, 06:17:43 AM »

Quote from: Raux on July 26, 2011, 09:08:09 PM

your ECU, wiring harness, gauges... etc... wow, that sounds worse

In what way?


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2011, 08:30:37 AM »

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 27, 2011, 06:17:43 AM

In what way?

cost, complexity


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2011, 09:04:44 AM »

Not really- all that is needed is the engine- everything else should work...

Exhaust may work- or 1100 exhaust could work- but regardless, the 1100 exhaust has all that flapper garbage so that would have had to be worked around anyways...


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2011, 09:37:22 AM »

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 27, 2011, 09:04:44 AM

what map would you run on the ECU? is the 1000 a DS? new exhaust needed.
would the wiring harness have all the same motor connections?


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2011, 10:14:58 AM »

I believe so- no additional sensors. More research would be needed to confirm. I don't believe that S2R is DS...

Working on finding out differences in base maps between 696 and 1100 ecu...


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2011, 10:35:07 AM »

Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 27, 2011, 10:14:58 AM

I believe so- no additional sensors. More research would be needed to confirm. I don't believe that S2R is DS...

Working on finding out differences in base maps between 696 and 1100 ecu...

DS it is.

and MM ECU


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Re: How hard? M1100 motor into 696

« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2011, 11:13:28 AM »

I knew it had a Marelli ECU- but intention is running:

-696 Throttle Bodies
-696 Intake Manifolds
-Remapped 696 ECU with Power Commander and stock 696 harness...


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