How hard? M1100 motor into 696

[Rob Hilding]

 

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[tiger_one]

I agree with Raux.   Go for the 1100!  I am a short chick as well, and that is what I would like to do.  Any chance you can elaborate (maybe send me a PM)on adding to the soles of your wife's boots?  How did you do this, and did she have a hard time adjusting to the thickness of the soles?

This is her 4th bike, and I have tried to get her to go to the bigger soles before, she finally did it this time and it was fantastic result.  I had to adjust the gear shift lever all the way as high as it would go with the adjustable linkage.

P.S. She was only joking about the 1100 engine, as she absolutely loves this 696, handling, power, light weight, the whole package.

She took her tourmaster waterproof boots to a local cobbler and he cut some soles from a sheet of rubber and glued them on, great work, but I imagine normal for a good cobbler.

[tiger_one]

Pretty big difference in the stroke between the 696 vs 1100, so I would guess the ECU would need a new map at least, probably too lean and narrow for the 1100.  But, if I had one I would try it just because, then check the plugs or may could tell by listening. 

Gonna need an oil cooler also.

[Justjean]

I agree with Raux.   Go for the 1100!  I am a short chick as well, and that is what I would like to do.  Any chance you can elaborate (maybe send me a PM)on adding to the soles of your wife's boots?  How did you do this, and did she have a hard time adjusting to the thickness of the soles?

Pm sent on boots detail.

[RC Fan]

This is her 4th bike, and I have tried to get her to go to the bigger soles before, she finally did it this time and it was fantastic result.  I had to adjust the gear shift lever all the way as high as it would go with the adjustable linkage.

P.S. She was only joking about the 1100 engine, as she absolutely loves this 696, handling, power, light weight, the whole package.

She took her tourmaster waterproof boots to a local cobbler and he cut some soles from a sheet of rubber and glued them on, great work, but I imagine normal for a good cobbler.

Pm sent on boots detail.

Thank you both for the info and the PM!  It's very helpful to talk to someone who has actually done this!

[ungeheuer]

Pretty big difference in the stroke between the 696 vs 1100, so I would guess the ECU would need a new map at least....

+ 11ty billion.

But, if I had one I would try it just because, then check the plugs or may could tell by listening.

This I would not do.

Questions regarding this I am curious about:

1) Is ECU on 1100 the same pinout and if there are map/flash differences what are they and can they be flashed onto a 696 ecu.

This is a crucial issue to resolve.  If 696 and 1100 ECU hardware is the same, then I see no reason why an M696 ECU could not be reflashed as M1100.  Gotta get past that initial "if" to begin with though.... I'd really like to know the answer to that one.........

2) Are there any additional engine sensors on the 1100 that affect ECU operation.

M1100 idler stepping motor?

[2-Skinny]

Okay-

S2R 1000 motor as possible cheaper engine option.

Swingarm WILL work from 696...

Accepted that 696 injection / intake setup can be MADE to work...

ideas on exhaust- diameter, same flange, etc...?

[Raux]

Okay-

S2R 1000 motor as possible cheaper engine option.

Swingarm WILL work from 696...

Accepted that 696 injection / intake setup can be MADE to work...

ideas on exhaust- diameter, same flange, etc...?

your ECU, wiring harness, gauges... etc... wow, that sounds worse

[2-Skinny]

your ECU, wiring harness, gauges... etc... wow, that sounds worse

In what way?

[Raux]

In what way?

cost, complexity

[2-Skinny]

Not really- all that is needed is the engine- everything else should work...

Exhaust may work- or 1100 exhaust could work- but regardless, the 1100 exhaust has all that flapper garbage so that would have had to be worked around anyways...

[Raux]

Not really- all that is needed is the engine- everything else should work...

Exhaust may work- or 1100 exhaust could work- but regardless, the 1100 exhaust has all that flapper garbage so that would have had to be worked around anyways...

what map would you run on the ECU? is the 1000 a DS? new exhaust needed.
would the wiring harness have all the same motor connections?

[2-Skinny]

I believe so- no additional sensors.  More research would be needed to confirm.  I don't believe that S2R is DS... 

Working on finding out differences in base maps between 696 and 1100 ecu...

[Raux]

I believe so- no additional sensors.  More research would be needed to confirm.  I don't believe that S2R is DS...  

Working on finding out differences in base maps between 696 and 1100 ecu...

DS it is.

and MM ECU

[2-Skinny]

I knew it had a Marelli ECU- but intention is running:

-696 Throttle Bodies
-696 Intake Manifolds
-Remapped 696 ECU with Power Commander and stock 696 harness...