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Raux
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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November 03, 2011, 04:24:42 AM »
So, I've been thinking about the middleweight replacement of the 848 based on the 1199...
I've two ideas formulating. With the ability to get an ultra high revving 2 cyl with the configuration would Ducati go back to trying to compete in the supersport 600 class with a new 750?
to get there and keeping near the same ratio of the superquadrata bore/stroke it could have a bore x stroke of 96mm x 51.8mm for a capacity of 749 cc's
if they want to keep the 848 size and stick with the racing series they have now, then it could have 100mm x 54mm for a capacity of 848 cc's
these both keep a bore x stroke ratio of about 1.85 and seem reasonable giving the 112mm x 60.6mm dimensions of the 1199
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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November 03, 2011, 05:54:20 AM »
I think Ducati has probably sold enough 848s that they don't care about supersport class racing.
And their lack of a bike that conforms to those class rules was a nice "out" for a class in which they weren't competitive.
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On the other hand, if they can make a superquad at about 750 cc that has the same weight difference that the 848 did compared to the 1098, then it could happen and be competitive.
They would have to make a new case though -- merely using thicker jugs would add too much weight.
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 05:56:49 AM
They would have to make a new case though -- merely using thicker jugs would add too much weight.
Bigger jugs are always a good thing
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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November 03, 2011, 08:06:56 AM »
Only up to the point that my bike won't have future lower back problems. (snicker snicker)
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Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 05:56:49 AM
On the other hand, if they can make a superquad at about 750 cc that has the same weight difference that the 848 did compared to the 1098, then it could happen and be competitive.
They would have to make a new case though -- merely using thicker jugs would add too much weight.
from what I can tell it would add about 1.2 kg
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Quote from: Raux on November 03, 2011, 10:30:15 AM
from what I can tell it would add about 1.2 kg
wow, i figured no more than .75 kg!
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November 03, 2011, 11:16:56 AM »
Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
wow, i figured no more than .75 kg!
your figure is probably more precise, I just did a rough calculation and really didn't think to hard on the formulas
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Quote from: Raux on November 03, 2011, 11:16:56 AM
your figure is probably more precise, I just did a rough calculation and really didn't think to hard on the formulas
i weighed a pair of M600 cylinders vs a pair of M800. the walls on the 600 are noticeably thicker.
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Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
i weighed a pair of M600 cylinders vs a pair of M800. the walls on the 600 are noticeably thicker.
they actually would only be 8mm thicker. (112mm - 96mm)/2
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Quote from: Raux on November 03, 2011, 11:27:20 AM
they actually would only be 8mm thicker. (112mm - 96mm)/2
right 8mm thick by the height, about 60-65mm
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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November 03, 2011, 11:41:07 AM »
What? They don't have to be thicker, you just don't machine as big a whole in the cases... People bore their cases for bigger cylinders with some regularity, doing it at the factory level (boring the initial cylinder hole smaller than the 1199's) would be easy, I'd think.
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Quote from: j v on November 03, 2011, 11:41:07 AM
What? They don't have to be thicker, you just don't machine as big a whole in the cases... People bore their cases for bigger cylinders with some regularity, doing it at the factory level (boring the initial cylinder hole smaller than the 1199's) would be easy, I'd think.
They don't unless you use the same engine case for two different engines, which ducati regularly does.
that's why the M400 weighs more than the M600.
The point is that if ducati is going to make a superquad 750, they need to have a different engine case (same one with smaller holes) so the jugs can maintain the same wall thickness and get a weight advantage.
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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November 06, 2011, 04:15:59 PM »
Some leaked pics before the launch later today
Can't wait for the official release for better pictures!
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Re: 1199 Photo leak!
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+1... Fairings look goofy to me at first glance. Excited to see official pictures and pricing for N.A.
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