Has your Attitude towards Stoner Changed?

[ducpainter]

Sure it did.

Stoner also had every right to be pissed about Ducati offering JLo twice what he made, despite the fact that he won a GP title for Ducati and no one else could even ride the damn thing.

There is that...

The guy is batshit fast on whatever he rides...

no one can change that...

but why does he come off like a whiney little pregnant dog?

[derby]

Sure it did.

Stoner also had every right to be pissed about Ducati offering JLo twice what he made, despite the fact that he won a GP title for Ducati and no one else could even ride the damn thing.

sounds like lorenzo's manager was better than stoner's (colin stoner, his father).

casey's original "bargain" ducati contract should have had a healthy performance bonus with a guaranteed pay increase for the following season should he have won the championship. especially since ducati had so much faith in him that he was their third or fourth choice.

[Triple J]

sounds like lorenzo's manager was better than stoner's (colin stoner, his father).

casey's original "bargain" ducati contract should have had a healthy performance bonus with a guaranteed pay increase for the following season should he have won the championship. especially since ducati had so much faith in him that he was their third or fourth choice.

Regardless of the contract he had with them, I can understand why Stoner was upset by the move.

[Raux]

So his handling of offtrack PR work and complete botch of his illness issues gave Ducati no right to be angry with their employee?

I think if my employee who had won a chamionship was sick I would have supported him better not turned on him like Marlboro did, even if they were not doing the PR thing, I would want him healthy and happy for next year.

[derby]

I think if my employee who had won a chamionship was sick I would have supported him better not turned on him like Marlboro did, even if they were not doing the PR thing, I would want him healthy and happy for next year.

fwiw, it'd been two years since he won his championship.

the big issue was that he took two months off and kept ducati/marlboro completely out of the loop. ducati was put in the position of trying to make sure they had two riders for the following year.

it wouldn't surprise me if "pressure" was coming from marlboro. do you think ducati had all that lorenzo money just laying around?

[EvilSteve]

It might have been 2 years since his title but still no one had come anywhere near his results on the Duc. I think there's a lot more to this than anyone outside the parties in question really knows. I can think of several things, like the issue that Stoner has pointed out that Ducati wasn't interested in changing the bike until Rossi came along.

I was curious to know if Stoner's reaction to Lorenzo and winning the world championship had made any difference to anyone, I guess not.

[zarn02]

I was curious to know if Stoner's reaction to Lorenzo and winning the world championship had made any difference to anyone, I guess not.

Nup.

Before this win he was a hell of a good rider who annoyed me quite a bit, for some reason I can't quite pin down.

After this win he's a hell of a good rider who annoys me quite a bit, for some reason I can't quite pin down.

[derby]

It might have been 2 years since his title but still no one had come anywhere near his results on the Duc.

true. but if your wonder boy has told you that he doesn't trust your doctor's diagnosis, told you that he's taking two months off work, and gone radio silent, you kinda have to start looking at a contingency plan.

[gm2]

true. but if your wonder boy has told you that he doesn't trust your doctor's diagnosis, told you that he's taking two months off work, and gone radio silent, you kinda have to start looking at a contingency plan.

that really is a fair point.

of course you want to support your rider, all for one, one for all, yadda yadda.  but when he starts acting really goofy and then basically won't talk to you, your first priority goes back to making you sure you have a team next year.


anyway, whatever.  i feel like he's matured and that he's a lot less douchey.  he just has one of those personalities... 

i also feel like his racecraft has matured a lot as well.  that move on pedro at laguna took gigantic balls.  as for the rest, he's always been stupid fast.  no one argues that.  you don't get pole in your first premier class event by accident.

[EvilSteve]

true. but if your wonder boy has told you that he doesn't trust your doctor's diagnosis, told you that he's taking two months off work, and gone radio silent, you kinda have to start looking at a contingency plan.

True but if you've been telling the team for a while that they need to be making changes to the design and they just keep ignoring you even though you're past the limits to get them wins and risking your livelihood to do so, maybe you're not thinking that they really give much of a make the beast with two backs about you? And on top of that, they want you to go out and rave about how great the bike is?

There's always three sides to every story, I don't think the general public has heard even half of any of the sides in this particular case.

Stoner's personality is divisive, clearly, I am one of the people who like his personality, I think we get more honesty from Stoner than we do from Rossi (for example) and I like that. I can certainly see why people don't like it or feel that it comes across as whiney. I also think that he's changed a fair bit and exhibits different behavior now that he's with Honda but maybe that's just me seeing what I want to see. I like him anyway so it doesn't really matter anyway.

[ducpainter]

<snip> I like him anyway so it doesn't really matter anyway.

If it's any consolation...

I like him more than some other Aussie riders.

[DRKWNG]

If it's any consolation...

I like him more than some other Aussie riders.

[CairnsDuc]

If it's any consolation...

I like him more than some other Aussie riders.

I'll second that!

Am I the only guy that thought Wayne Gardner was/is a complete Asshat?!

[ducpainter]

I'll second that!

Am I the only guy that thought Wayne Gardner was/is a complete Asshat?!

Wayne's OK in my book

[CairnsDuc]

A Very Interesting Article about recent Comments from Carlo Pernat (The Man who 1st Signed up Rossi)

"Casey is owed an Apology"

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10759949