Holding in clutch, starts creeping forward

[thought]

You can prob call Chris at ca cycleworks and ask him if the dry clutch bearing would work... I was going to suggest that one till I realized you had a wet clutch.

[Privateer]

You can prob call Chris at ca cycleworks and ask him if the dry clutch bearing would work... I was going to suggest that one till I realized you had a wet clutch.

yeah i actually had that in my shopping cart on their website before I realized it was dry clutch.

Does the bearing have a manufacturer and part number on it?  If so, it can be matched at a bearing store.

Howie, the parts guy at my local dealer did give me the dimensions of the bearing.  i wasn't sure if that would be enough info or if I needed a special one with magical ducati pixie dust.  i haven't popped out the old one, haven't had time to tear into it, planning that for tomorrow night.  I'll report back if I can find anything conclusive.

[Privateer]

so I finally had time to work on it.

I was able to get the bearing and the... perch.. (sorry don't know the technical term for the end the rod goes into).. out of the clutch side.  The bearing seems to spin fine in my hands, I don't know if that means anything or not.

so 1) how does one get this push rod end thing out of the bearing itself?

2) on the side of the bearing it says 5kf-Italy 17 ***z    6201/C3L   The guy at the local ducati dealer gave me these measurements:  12x32x10.  A buddy of mine pointed me at www.allballsracing.com but I didn't see anywhere to pic bearings by generic sizes.


Any suggestions on 1 and 2 above?

[Speeddog]

1) It just pushes out, you may need a hammer and punch.

2) 6201 is the size code, any bearing shop should have one.
Most convenient to get one without seals.
If they only have sealed ones, you can pry the seals out.

[Privateer]

1) It just pushes out, you may need a hammer and punch.

2) 6201 is the size code, any bearing shop should have one.
Most convenient to get one without seals.
If they only have sealed ones, you can pry the seals out.

thanks nick.  I used the magical Google tool and found this: http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit9833

which is like 5 miles from my house. checking to see if they accept walk ins.

Note the price opposed to the $62 the dealer quoted me.

[Privateer]

Left work early and picked up my bearings (they were cheap enough I bought a spare).  Got the new bearing installed, clutch back together, new gaskset, new pushrod orings.  started the engine, rod did not spin (not sure if that's a valid test).

installed new clutch slave, bled clutch, rode around the cul-de-sac and everything seems good.

Needs a valid shakedown run, but seems OK.

Replacing the belts since I have it apart and I didn't do it at 48k and the horiz belt seems kind of loose.  Otherwise seems OK.

torque on the clutch spring retaining bolts seemed kind of low, 6ft lbs?

[krista]

Huh, the ones we sell for dry clutch are 6201. We'll need to make a note of that somewhere. Pretty sure the modern fancy wet clutches are different. The parts catalog PDFs make some fascinating reading...

/nerd

[Privateer]

perhaps I spoke too soon.

rode to work everything seemed fine.  In the afternoon, however, if I held the clutch in for an extended period say at a stop light, it would start creeping forward and then stall as soon as I let off the lever.

/sigh

kind of at a loss at this point, unless I screwed up the bearing somehow seating the post (whatever it's called).

Huh, the ones we sell for dry clutch are 6201. We'll need to make a note of that somewhere. Pretty sure the modern fancy wet clutches are different. The parts catalog PDFs make some fascinating reading...

they're the same 6201 but the dry clutch ones have the dust shields or whatever they are.  The description on your site said "all dry clutch", I didn't know if that would make a difference so I went with what was visually the same (link above).

[ducpainter]

A sealed bearing typically has the RS suffix.

Sealed both sides is 2RS.

Open would be a C3 or similar.

[Speeddog]

What did you do about the slave cylinder?

[krista]

Easy to convert 2RS sealed bearing into unsealed type: use small screw driver and pry out rubber shield. 

[Privateer]

What did you do about the slave cylinder?

replaced it with an oberon.  I'm hoping my commute today didn't destroy it.

[Speeddog]

How many miles/years on that clutch master.

I'd say it's leaking internally....

[Privateer]

How many miles/years on that clutch master.

I'd say it's leaking internally....

it's funny you say that; when I was in the shower this morning I was thinking maybe there was some kind of pressure leak that wasn't resulting in fluid escaping.

I bought the masters from someone here and they have an unknown history.

i poked around this morning and found this: http://www.bevelheaven.com/stuff-for-sale-brembo.htm

i've looked my masters over but never really found any numbers on it, it seems there are different kits for the piston size, anyway to figure out what I have?

[ducpainter]

it's funny you say that; when I was in the shower this morning I was thinking maybe there was some kind of pressure leak that wasn't resulting in fluid escaping.

I bought the masters from someone here and they have an unknown history.

i poked around this morning and found this: http://www.bevelheaven.com/stuff-for-sale-brembo.htm

i've looked my masters over but never really found any numbers on it, it seems there are different kits for the piston size, anyway to figure out what I have?

Look on the underside to see if the size is stamped.

It is on the coffin models.