Guess It Isn't the 90* V

[ducatiz]

Japanese engineers are smarter. 

Honda has more engineers working for it than Ducati has employees world wide.

[gm2]

seriously: honda is a racing company that happens to make consumer products.

[ducatiz]

seriously: honda is a consumer products company that happens to race.

fixed

[gm2]

fixed

that's not the way they see it.

[ducatiz]

that's not the way they see it.

A platypus can imagine himself a gazelle, but that doesn't mean anything.

Honda makes everything under the sun and was founded in 1959.  Some of Honda's products:
Automobiles, Motorcycles, Scooters, Electrical generators, Water pumps, Lawn and garden equipments, Tillers, Outboard motors, Robotics, Jet aircrafts, Jet engines, Thin-film solar cells, Internav

Honda has 180,000 employees worldwide.

Honda did not enter moto-racing until 1982.  Honda continues to make generators and tillers and solar cells.

Ducati was founded in 1926 and entered racing in 1951 and official racing in 1954.  Ducati originally made radios and some other items, and stopped completely in the 1950s to focus on engines only.  Ducati currently makes nothing but motorcycles and has 1100 employees worldwide.

The fact that Ducati can beat Honda EVER is a miracle.

[zooom]

Honda did not enter moto-racing until 1982.   

insert the gameshow sound of razzzz for wrong...

http://world.honda.com/history/limitlessdreams/manttrace/text01/

September 1958 Honda 1st raced the Isle of Mann TT race.

[ducatiz]

insert the gameshow sound of razzzz for wrong...

http://world.honda.com/history/limitlessdreams/manttrace/text01/

September 1958 Honda 1st raced the Isle of Mann TT race.

OH shit..  HRC was started in 82.  I assumed wrongly that meant no factory involvement prior.... there you go.

But my other points still stand.  Honda uses racing as a marketing vehicle for selling lawn power tools and cars and oh yeah motorcycles.

Ducati sells bikes so they can run a race team.

[ducpainter]

...and this all has what to do with a 90⁰ V?

[gm2]

...and this all has what to do with a 90⁰ V?

90° V.. racing decision.  like the V5.

i'm only beating the horse bc i know first hand that, at least for 2 and 4 wheeled vehicles, they consider themselves a racing company first.  i wasn't really suggesting that the lawnmower or home robot divisions consider themselves to be in the racing business.  but for cars and bikes, obviously those consumer divisions are gigantic, but their attitude is that they make better consumer products only by building superior racers; that's the first priority.  one of the reasons the consumer versions tend to run forever.  how many years did they run as the exclusive engine provider in indy car without a single engine failure?
 

[ducpainter]

I was referring to the history of Honda and the relevance to Ducati's lack of success in motogp...

but carry on beating the horse.

[OT]

The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be........

Oh, and I think Socihiro Honda was racing his own motorcycles before WWII....

[MadDuck]

The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be........

Oh, and I think Socihiro Honda was racing his own motorcycles before WWII....

That's Soichiro Honda.  Have some respect man!          But no, he wasn't racing motorcycles before WWII. He tried some car racing and was injured doing so.  Post war he started making motorized bicycles which were successful largely because Japan had to climb out of ruin, much like Italy and Germany, and they were cheap, reliable transportation.

[gm2]

but carry on beating the horse.

i'm done.