Proposal Would Restrict Motorcycle Passengers - Missouri

[Ducatamount]

Where do you draw the line as far as who your step-daughter can ride with or in what?
Friend in a car? Boyfriend in a boat? Father in a plane? Brother on a roller coaster?
You cannot depend on laws to keep her safe, it's all about teaching her well and then she'll develop good common sense.

I'm not even for making seat belts mandatory.

[zooom]

well, she currently wouldn't get on a bike at all, not with her mother or with me, so I am not really worried about it.... the point I am making goes towards the the line of protection I would hope for...just to help give some responsibility in regards to liability issues to the person that gives rides....to indemnify them as a matter of point.

[the_Journeyman]

Doesn't the MSF offer a course that covers or can be done 2up?  I'd take that with my wife, despite our 2up time.  We've done Deals Gap several times and have done several group rides at a rather spirited pace but I'm sure there is more to learn.

JM

[Raux]

we had a guy do the msf advanced course with his wife.

we thought he was going to bin it in the panic stop in a corner, but he did great.

she was a rider too, so she was a great passenger.

[duc_fan]

we had a guy do the msf advanced course with his wife.

Ooh... I should convince wifey to do this with me.  That'd be an excellent learning experience.

We don't have a lot of miles 2-up, but the Cagiva works ergonomically (which helps keep the attention on the road, where it belongs), and I give myself huge margins for error.  I'd really like to have some formal training, though.

[memper]

I told my wife if she wants to ride she can get her own damn wheels. These are mine. Besides, being a passenger sucks compared to being an operator. And you don't have to wear a chrome German replica helmet.

[zooom]

  ......Besides, being a passenger sucks compared to being an operator....

years ago....I would have said the same thing....then I did a 2 up ride on the back of a GSXR1K with Scott Harwell at the helm around VIR's North Course.....he asked me beforehand if I wanted an instructional pace or a thrill seeker pace...I got both...and both were quite eye opening and far from sucking.

[memper]

Not your typical two up scenario...but that's really cool you got to experience that.
I'd say that was more of an on board education.

[Skybarney]

I saw a gal on th back during a track day at Sears point.  She was ummm looking pretty good on the back all up in a tuck.  I just saw a product that adds a second set of handlebars to the gas tank ring so that the passenger can hold on proper.  Sadly it will probably kill the rider in a crash.........

[Raux]

I saw a gal on th back during a track day at Sears point.  She was ummm looking pretty good on the back all up in a tuck.  I just saw a product that adds a second set of handlebars to the gas tank ring so that the passenger can hold on proper.  Sadly it will probably kill the rider in a crash.........

there are some pretty good ones that add a smaller ring type handles (no pointy ends)

[jerryz]

I believe that other people especially venal morally  corrupt politicians and airheaded  lefty thinking  facist do gooders   should mind their own business .Let common sense and darwinism prevail.

[Rudemouthsky]

"Lefty thinking facist (sic)" = oxymoron. But I agree with the rest.

[muskrat]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but that being said, with a law in place like this, a passenger that gets hurt by a negligent rider/moto operator would then be more liable for the responsibility they didn't exercise should something happen....

if ( for a seriously nasty scenario example-not that it is likely to really happen) my stepdaughter gets on the back of some guys moto behind my back and he can't handle the bike with a passenger and wrecks it and she sustains serious bodily injury...I wouldn't want to hear " oh dude, sorry 'bout your daughter man "....especially if he is underinsured and then his insurance says that they aren't liable because of  a loophole ( like say no "M" endorsement ) and I am then on the hook with no recourse and all of the collateral damage to deal with.....to me, that crap doesn't fly very far.

There's always fault in everything we do, IMO we are too litigious today.  Responsibility is a personal choice and in the absence of negligence (stunting or the like) we should accept our own choices. 

[justinrhenry]

In my opinion we already have too much legislation and regulation.  The less government accomplishes the better.

[lemond]

US needs to revamp its vehicle licensing system to tier levels similar to Europe.