Trouble Getting Going

Started by ChrisK, March 10, 2014, 03:19:06 PM

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ChrisK

They're 9's.

Again, I doubt that would account for completely not being able to ride away from a stop. Poor performance, sure. But not no performance, maybe I'm wrong though.

I don't think the clearances on the timing pick ups would have changed since I didn't take them off their bracket, and I reinstalled the bracket exactly as it was before.

The bike can rev up to 4 grand and more when in neutral, after warming up at idle for a couple minutes. Once under load it bogs down fast.
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ChrisK

I should add I ran the 9's all last year, with great success. Granted, that was with the Mikunis.
1998 M900
2007 CBR600RR Track Bike
1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
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koko64

#17
Okam's razor.
Change the plugs. You'd be surprised.

It dont take much to put the pickups out, but do plugs first, then jet test and pickups (and timing case) last if needed.

NGK 9s are generally too cold, but the Exactfit coils are pretty hot if you got 'em and they can work. (Check with Chris Kelley).
60 slow jets are often too rich, add a too cold plug and you'll have fouled plugs and sluggish performance.
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ChrisK

Occam, okay thanks. I'll try the plugs and report back. Will be soon (I have a pair of D8EA's sitting on the shelf).
1998 M900
2007 CBR600RR Track Bike
1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
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ChrisK

Not getting spark on the vertical cylinder... That'll cause those symptoms.

Now what? I haven't changed anything electrical.

When I tried the other plugs, 8's, I noticed there's no reading on the speedo, which is an Acewell. It worked earlier today, now there's literally no text or graphics, but it still lights up blue.

ALSO, the turn signals didn't work right when I tried the 8's. Put the 9's back in and they work. But I've been taking the seat off and on so maybe the flasher is getting jostled.
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1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
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ducpainter

Are the 9's resistor?

I noticed you said D8ea which is not a resistor plug.
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ChrisK

1998 M900
2007 CBR600RR Track Bike
1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
Supra Boats enthusiast

"There is no minimum."  - some guy.

koko64

Quote from: ChrisK on March 10, 2014, 06:51:32 PM
Occam, okay thanks. I'll try the plugs and report back. Will be soon (I have a pair of D8EA's sitting on the shelf).

Occam, ok pardon me [laugh], I left college in '86 ;D.

Could be some electrickery happinin' there. I would use R plugs.
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ducpainter

Quote from: ChrisK on March 10, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
Yes
Is the tach hooked up to the vertical coil?

I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure you want a DPR8EA-9
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ChrisK

My 9 plugs are DR9EA's.

Tach is hooked up to horizontal, the working cylinder.
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1980 Lambretta Moped
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koko64

Quote from: ducpainter on March 10, 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Is the tach hooked up to the vertical coil?

I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure you want a DPR8EA-9

Yep, correct plug, 8s the heat, 9s the gap.
2015 Scrambler 800

ChrisK

The four wires coming out of the alternator cover seem to be in good condition and plugged in up by the coils just fine. Haven't been unplugged since my last ride last year. The coils are mounted solid and the spark plug wires seem fine all the way down to the plugs.

Can anyone think of anything else that would prevent one cylinder from getting spark?
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1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
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koko64

Both cylinders firing with the R plugs and dash and indicators working with them?
If so try the plugs DP mentioned. If only one cylinder no matter what you do, then I would suspect the pickup. Does that pickup match the cylinder not lighting? Swap ignition modules and plugs to check them (easy tests).
If its the pickup then its a PITA but not too hard, just tedious.

Also jetting to be set once both cylinders working. Thats next job.
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ChrisK

No, doesn't matter which plug, the one cylinder doesn't fire.

I'll try swapping modules and see what happens.
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1980 Lambretta Moped
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ChrisK

I swapped the ignition modules and now it's reversed, no spark on horizontal.
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1980 Lambretta Moped
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