remove wet clutch from 620ie without special tool how?

Started by cmejia1978, May 08, 2014, 06:08:04 AM

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cmejia1978

hi there! I have a kind of a "brand new" wet clutch sitting on a shelf to replace my 20,000kms or more (have no gauges since 9,000kms), but I am stuck without the special wet clutch holder, any advice? can I make it without it? thanks!  [popcorn]

caperix

I used an impact wrench on mine & did not have any issues.  When torquing it back down I put the bike in gear & had a friend hold the rear brake. 

Speeddog

You plates should still be fine after only 20k kms.
I put a good *used* set of plates in my M750 20k miles ago, and they're still good.

Unless the basket or hub are damaged, all you would need to do is swap the plates.

No special tools necessary for that.

Is it slipping or otherwise not performing properly?
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DarkMonster620

He just wants to install the brand new one . . . ;D

It's a 2002 so no APTC
Carlos
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xsephirot

Will the dry clutch holder work with wet clutches? http://www.amazon.com/Ducati-Clutch-Basket-Holder-Tool/dp/B006M59FJO

And what solvent should I be using to clean the basket and the securing nut? I plan on doing the loctite thing.

Speeddog

The dry clutch tool will work with the non-APTC wet clutched.
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DarkMonster620

Quote from: xsephirot on May 08, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
Will the dry clutch holder work with wet clutches? http://www.amazon.com/Ducati-Clutch-Basket-Holder-Tool/dp/B006M59FJO

And what solvent should I be using to clean the basket and the securing nut? I plan on doing the loctite thing.
Values have been redone, don't remember from top of my head but it's a lot more than before . . .

I'll give you the value tomorrow and what chemical agent to use
Carlos
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Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

the_Journeyman

Unless you're just itching to replace, I would leave it.  My M750 has 37,000 miles and counting on its original clutch.

JM
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Speeddog

Quote from: xsephirot on May 09, 2014, 11:59:53 AM
What about for APTC clutches? This tool? http://ca-cycleworks.com/mp08-0008-p518

APTC hub is two pieces, the outer that has the teeth to engage the steels has a flange on the outboard end.
So that tool won't fit.

That tool does work well on the regular wet and dry clutches.
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xsephirot

Quote from: Speeddog on May 09, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
APTC hub is two pieces, the outer that has the teeth to engage the steels has a flange on the outboard end.
So that tool won't fit.

That tool does work well on the regular wet and dry clutches.

Thanks for all the help Speeddog!

BK_856er

Don't know if this helps, but below is the APTC clutch (1) assembled, (2) with factory tools installed and nut removed, (3) parts off bike.

BK







cmejia1978

Thank you all! the things is that when I change gears it does a loud "TACK" sound and also sometimes, not all the time but every 2-3 days when I am going home, maybe at 120-130km/h and shift from 4 to 5 it will slip and I have to lower the speed to engage again the 4th...  [thumbsdown]

BK_856er

Quote from: cmejia1978 on May 10, 2014, 08:28:27 AM
Thank you all! the things is that when I change gears it does a loud "TACK" sound and also sometimes, not all the time but every 2-3 days when I am going home, maybe at 120-130km/h and shift from 4 to 5 it will slip and I have to lower the speed to engage again the 4th...  [thumbsdown]

My APTC wet clutch is particularly sensitive to oil type.  Even within a given weight + moto-specific group it matters.  I've consistently had the best CLUTCH performance with Mobil-1 Racing 4T 10W-40, so that's the only oil I use.

BK

ducej

Quote from: BK_856er on May 10, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
My APTC wet clutch is particularly sensitive to oil type.  Even within a given weight + moto-specific group it matters.  I've consistently had the best CLUTCH performance with Mobil-1 Racing 4T 10W-40, so that's the only oil I use.

BK


Agree on this one. I switched once to a 15W-50 and clutch started to slip in higher revs. Took me 2 oil changes with 10W-40 to have it back to normal. I don't notice difference between Mobile-1 or Shell advance. At this moment I use Fuchs Silkolene 10W-40 with good clutch performance.
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