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New Ignitech TCIP4 In Need Of Assistance

Started by terse750, July 19, 2015, 10:58:05 AM

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terse750

#30
July 26, 2015, 09:31:03 AM Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 09:55:52 AM by terse750
All my wiring seems to be properly set. It only really fires up with the white and blue wired plug to the vertical cylinder.
When I switch them, she misfires and backfires just like everyone said she would.
I've tried different plugs and gaps and she still seems to be firing on one cylinder.
With the suggested NGK plugs for my coils (CA exact fit coils) it won't even run today.
With a smaller gap on the same plugs she starts to stumble...even smaller gap she stays run all be it rough.
Still any touch to the throttle and she spits and kills.

I played with the "slow jet"? no significant differences.
When I put the stupid (E3) hot plug? She would take throttle without killing immediately! [thumbsdown]
I know this plug is not what she needs, I think thats the culprit of my fried R/R wire previously.
Next I ran the Ngk DCPR8E at suggested gap and she ran the best of all at idle.
When turning the throttle slowly...
she will climb in RPMs but backfiring all the way still sounding as if she is only running on one cylinder.
Idling sounded somewhat normal though with this set-up.
The FCR's sounded strange idling...like plastic on metal ticking?
Those dudes (FCR's) just dump fuel down to the heads, A?  [evil]

My issue with the Ignitech or my lack of PC knowledge is:
that I can't seem to get a connection between my bike while running and the program.
I must need some other software to properly open their system?
When I open it I get an error message upon opening.
It opens the program but give an error every time I try and plug the bike in.

Does anyone know enogh about the Ignitech TCIP4 to help with this one.
Once again I have contacted Ignitech directly through email but still no response.
What driver?or program do I need for the Ignitech PC program????

It seems the timing is off with the ignition? Would you agree from the symptoms? [shot]

BTW she sat idling for a few minutes sounding good until finally killed because I started "blipping" the throttle little by little. She would completely pause (hesitate hard) upon blipping until she coughed and died. I checked for air leaks at the housing, nada

Should I start thinking about manually adjusting the pick-ups?

koko64

#31
July 26, 2015, 10:21:14 AM Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 10:39:02 AM by koko64
The 8 range plugs work better ime. Do both cylinders run with 8 heat range plugs? I would use plugs according to the manual.

I needed driver software to use the adaptor cable.  You need to try the port selection for a connection. I use the auto connection option.

Are the plugs fouling? What jetting do the carbs have as delivered? Stock or open airbox?
Members with 750s with FCRs may have a base setting to try. The 60 slow/pilot jets  may be too rich.
Pick ups should have been set to factory specs for sure.
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terse750

#32
July 26, 2015, 10:33:01 AM Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 10:37:52 AM by terse750
Quote from: koko64 on July 26, 2015, 10:21:14 AM
The 8 range plugs work better ime. Do both cylinders run with 8 heat range plugs. I would use plugs according to the manual.
I needed driver software to use the cable.  You need to try the port selection for a connection. I use the auto connection option.
Are the plugs fouling? What jetting do the carbs have as delivered? Stock or open airbox?
Members with 750s with FCRs may have a base setting to try.


They do both work with the 8's but giving it gas she bogs down and misfires/backfires.

I'll check and see what I can do about the program options.

Plugs are not fouling.

I got the FCRs from CA so....

Fuel mixture screw 3/4 turn
Slow Air Screw 1-1/2 turns
Float  9mm
Main jet   155
Main air jet 200
slow jet 60
needle EMT
needle clip 3rd from top

Pod air filters
Super stubby wide inner diameter GPR cans.

Heres a video! She doesn't sound to bad in this....but when I'm going higher in rpms she is starts flopping like she's on one cylinder. Hard to hear in the poor vid

https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xft1/v/t42.1790-2/11747726_1007479979296291_1465525131_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjYxMCwicmxhIjo2MTB9&rl=610&vabr=339&oh=f11eb2a8eb37c8e413e3dc58475f077e&oe=55B5335A

ducpainter

#33
July 26, 2015, 10:40:13 AM
Are both header pipes getting hot?

Sounds like a single to me.
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Speeddog

#34
July 26, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
If you've still got the Mikuni carbs, and it ran OK with them, I'd refit those to make sorting the Ignitech easier.

My last recorded settings on my FCR 39's on my '98 M750:

Mixture screw - 1/2 turn
Slow air screw - 1 1/4 turns
Float height - 9mm
Main Jet - 155
Main air jet - 200
Slow Jet - 52
Needle - EMT
Needle clip - 5th groove

buuuuuuut... I'm running a stock airbox and lid, but no snorkels.
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terse750

#35
August 07, 2015, 08:15:01 AM
So, both cylinders are functioning. Both headers are hot as hell!

I switched to the mikuni's and same issue. When I give throttle she sputters and mis-fires. I don't think its starving for fuel, but I'm not 100% sure. The plugs do smell a bit of gas when I check them. Not wet though.



It's got to be the Ignitech!? yes?

After trying to get some tech support about what I need to run the program, I'm beginning to think I'm on my own.

Could timing be my issue? I don;t know where else to look.

ducpainter

#36
August 07, 2015, 09:18:35 AM
Are you running the air box or did you just slap the carbs on?
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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terse750

#37
August 07, 2015, 09:23:45 AM
I just slapped the carbs on... 8)

But did fit the filters, but not with clamps :-\

I can certainly snug then up though and see if it helps

ducpainter

#38
August 07, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Is this the same set up that ran well before you swapped motors? I don't think no clamps are the problem.

If it ran OK before I think the settings on the ignitech, or the timing sensor are your issue. You need to get your pc to communicate with the unit. There's no way around it.
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


terse750

#39
August 07, 2015, 09:57:43 AM
Yeah, same setup.

I hear you loud and clear.

ducpainter

#40
August 07, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
You also need to keep this in one thread like I suggested before.

I'm going to lock the other one. It will be more cohesive.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Dirty Duc

#41
August 07, 2015, 10:39:52 AM
Porting from the other thread, and subbing to this one...

Quotefrom: terse750 on Today at 09:21:08

Vacuum leaks would be? Tank and carb lines/hoses?
Vacuum leaks would be carb install/sync ports.  I don't know how your deal is set up, but maybe something to do with the way the manifolds fit.

Quotefrom: terse750 on Today at 09:21:08
As to the advance... I have not been able to run the ignitech program on my girlfriends laptop.
I get a "Com error" code, clearly I'm not the most savvy with computers
also not having any luck with Ignitech's customer service/tech support Vino!

I just plugged the unit right in and have yet to successfully get it to communicate with my pc/program.
I installed a driver for the connecting plug which goes from the pc via usb to the Ignitech which is something else.
When I try to run the program or open it, I get a error code and thats pretty much it.

I can't help here, but you need to connect to the ignitech.  In fact, fixing that should be your first priority.

Quotefrom: terse750 on Today at 09:21:08
How much does the advance affect the bike and in what ways?
A lot.  You say timing, I say advance, they are really part of the same phrase "timing advance."  I believe ignitech uses a lookup table with rpm and degrees of advance... does it need a TPS, too?

Speeddog

#43
August 07, 2015, 01:13:13 PM
Ignitech does not need a TPS.
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koko64

#44
August 07, 2015, 02:01:08 PM
The Ignitech will give you options to click on as to what type of ignition set up is being used and motor configuration. That is first selected. You would need that selected first or the unit wont be able to advance. Got to get that laptop working.

So you installed a driver for the cable? The canned map would probably work ok as a baseline.
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