How are those "new" monsters?

[Dochunt]

My Monster is not that old but I test rode the 796 and 821 back to back and liked the character of the 796 better.

[Howie]

isnt the 1100 the same as a 696 minus the motor and swingarm (alright lets not get too technical here). its the same frame and ergos otherwise isnt it?

Ultimately, do you guys think its worth buying a new monster? or should i just keep my old one and mod the snot out of it? The end result is roughly the same cost. BTW, ive owned my monster since 2007 ( its an 06 S2R)

Close, same frame, different handlebar rise and foot pegs, taller seat height.

[Speeddog]

Serious question, I am not being inflammatory as I have never been on an 821.....

Define "obnoxious", I don't understand. Was it not smooth? I would think that it would either work, or not. If not, you don't go anywhere.

Mark

The response of the RBW throttle was very non-linear.
A pretty big zone of 'nearly dead' from closed throttle, then it ramped up quickly.
Seemed even worse in the 'urban' mode.

The 899 Pani I rode on the same test-ride loop was way better.

My GF's BMW cage has the same sort of non-linearity.
Drives me bananas.

I've ridden and driven motor vehicles for ~40 years with a cable or linkage directly connecting the throttle grip or pedal to the butterfly or slide.

[NAKID]

The response of the RBW throttle was very non-linear.
A pretty big zone of 'nearly dead' from closed throttle, then it ramped up quickly.
Seemed even worse in the 'urban' mode.

The 899 Pani I rode on the same test-ride loop was way better.

My GF's BMW cage has the same sort of non-linearity.
Drives me bananas.

I've ridden and driven motor vehicles for ~40 years with a cable or linkage directly connecting the throttle grip or pedal to the butterfly or slide.

We have a 2014 Durango that does the same thing. Always feels like I'm gunning it off the line.

[Mhanis]

Interesting, I would have ASSUMED that with the RBW system that would have easily been sorted out.

Personally I like cables.

Mark

[Speeddog]

If my entire stable of bikes and motos were RBW, I expect I'd reprogram my throttle demands.
But the chance of that happening is vanishingly remote.

I did notice how I'd unconsciously compensated for the lag of the CV's on my M750 after I fitted the FCR's.

[Triple J]

If my entire stable of bikes and motos were RBW, I expect I'd reprogram my throttle demands.
But the chance of that happening is vanishingly remote.

Sounds like bad mapping or RBW programming. My RSV4 is RBW, and my 2 street bikes are cables. I can't tell the difference. The RSV4 feels like cables.

[koko64]

G'day K.
Not sure you would like the complexity of the water cooled 4 valvers.  They have a heavier, cruiser look imo.
A Wasp/CD/Beast R kit and PCV on an M1100 Evo would give you 100hp, ABS and TCS. I think you would like the handling from what members say with a more planted front tyre compared to the older Monsters.
Or you could just do the 100hp intake mods to your current bike, revalve/spring the front and put an Ohlins out back. Your bike is unique and what alot of people say Ducati should have made.

[DarkMonster620]

RBW in Sport mode is just way too demanding, you must concentrate too much on how you open the throttle . . . In Touring mode is easier to ride but the position of the TURKEY wings is just a bad choice . . . you can't ride ball of the foot cause your heel will always be on the passenger's pegs or just above the exhaust  . . . apart from that, it handles quite well in general . . .considering I consider myself a 5 out of 10 rider . . .

[koko64]

The response of the RBW throttle was very non-linear.
A pretty big zone of 'nearly dead' from closed throttle, then it ramped up quickly.
Seemed even worse in the 'urban' mode.

The 899 Pani I rode on the same test-ride loop was way better.

My GF's BMW cage has the same sort of non-linearity.
Drives me bananas.

I've ridden and driven motor vehicles for ~40 years with a cable or linkage directly connecting the throttle grip or pedal to the butterfly or slide.

Are the CA bikes still EPA leaner than the other states, or are all US bikes CA level lean nowdays?  Almost sounds surgy on top of any RBW mapping issues. Just a thought.

[DarkMonster620]

koko, all USA bikes are CA spec . . . Canada has CAN spec . . diferent . . . as Australia has AUS .. we get EUR spec, and still, suddenly no power and 1mm later all the power . . .

[koko64]

Thanks C. Sorry to hear that guys.
I guess RBW set up from the factory could vary and is another tunable item for correct performance just like the as delivered EFI tuning?

[DarkMonster620]

Thanks C. Sorry to hear that guys.
I guess RBW set up from the factory could vary and is another tunable item for correct performance just like the as delivered EFI tuning?

there have been a few updates from factory for MY15 M821 . . . since I can't ride I can't report . . .   

[the_Journeyman]

suddenly no power and 1mm later all the power . . .

They want us to think we're riding 2-strokes!

JM

[DarkMonster620]

They want us to think we're riding 2-strokes!

JM

didn't think of it this way . .  uhm m mmmm