08' 696 monster timing mark

Pinion · December 17, 2016, 02:08:30 PM

so a friend managed to set their 696 on fire in the drive
we are putting new inner timing covers on, noticed there are no timing marks. can some one help me out here. pics would be great
thanks

DarkMonster620 · December 17, 2016, 06:25:53 PM

there should be a notch on the rh cover and both cam gears should have a notch to match the one on the head cover . . . and there should be one on the crankshaft that aligns with the clutch cover

Pinion · December 17, 2016, 07:54:34 PM

new set of covers, no notches, your 2nd pic is old gen monster. this is an 08 696

koko64 · December 17, 2016, 10:04:30 PM

Does it have notches in the back of the cam pulley and access screws in the back of the cambelt cover shrouds?
If so a 5mm screw/bolt locates the pulley.

Speeddog · December 17, 2016, 10:41:00 PM

On the cam endcap, left sides of the heads, there's a screw that you remove, and a special tool that screws in with a dog-point that engages a slot in the cam.
And another special tool that goes on after you remove the left side crank end cover, and engages the crank or flywheel.

This allegedly holds the cams and the crank in the correct position, with the horizontal cylinder being at TDC fire.

koko64 · December 17, 2016, 10:57:00 PM

So the same as my 1100. So it's the later set up and not the "middle model" set up?

koko64 · December 18, 2016, 04:54:27 PM

So just to clarify, there are three eras then?
Early is via timing marks on the pulleys and cases, middle is notches on the pulleys for locating bolts/pins via the back of the belt cover/shrouds and late is locating holes in the cam for locating bolt/pins through the cam cover/cap? Al locate TDC via mark on the case and via the timing window or plug. Early and middle have a pointer lining up with a flywheel mark and late has a pointer lining up with a marked tooth on a timing gear. Correct?

Pinion · December 18, 2016, 06:44:58 PM

Quote from: Speeddog on December 17, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
On the cam endcap, left sides of the heads, there's a screw that you remove, and a special tool that screws in with a dog-point that engages a slot in the cam.
And another special tool that goes on after you remove the left side crank end cover, and engages the crank or flywheel.

This allegedly holds the cams and the crank in the correct position, with the horizontal cylinder being at TDC fire.

That my understanding at this point as well. Just trying to locate the tools

koko64 · December 18, 2016, 06:48:01 PM

I got my locating pin/bolts from California Cycleworks. Not sure if they still do 'em. Worth a call to see if there are any left. Some have machined down the end of a long bolt. There was a thread on this I think iirc.

Speeddog · December 18, 2016, 08:23:26 PM

They've taken what was once a straightforward procedure of lining up 3 pairs of marks...
And turned it into an unnecessarily complicated procedure requiring special tools and working on both sides of the bike, with the added bonus of it taking three times as long, and the phenomenal super bonus possibility of leaving a special tool installed and turning the motor, and really make the beast with two backsing things up.

Quote from: koko64 on December 18, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
So just to clarify, there are three eras then?
Early is via timing marks on the pulleys and cases, middle is notches on the pulleys for locating bolts/pins via the back of the belt cover/shrouds and late is locating holes in the cam for locating bolt/pins through the cam cover/cap? Al locate TDC via mark on the case and via the timing window or plug. Early and middle have a pointer lining up with a flywheel mark and late has a pointer lining up with a marked tooth on a timing gear. Correct?

Correct, other than the 3rd era uses a special tool to index the crank.
One may be able to locate TDC through the timing plug, but I'm not sure if that facility is on a 696.
I'll try to check that tomorrow.

Howie · December 18, 2016, 11:17:25 PM

Quote from: Speeddog on December 18, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
They've taken what was once a straightforward procedure of lining up 3 pairs of marks...
And turned it into an unnecessarily complicated procedure requiring special tools and working on both sides of the bike, with the added bonus of it taking three times as long, and the phenomenal super bonus possibility of leaving a special tool installed and turning the motor, and really make the beast with two backsing things up.
<snip>

Indeed. Not unique to Ducati, but an industry trend.

koko64 · December 19, 2016, 09:45:54 AM

I made "Do Not Start " signs to hang on the bike and remove the key, placing it away from the bike. Flicking the kill switch would at least give another layer of protection. Disconnecting the battery is another thought. The consequences of distraction are too serious.

Howie · December 19, 2016, 01:24:08 PM

Hide the battery!

Pinion · December 22, 2016, 10:38:09 AM

at this point ready to throw in the recycling bin with the rest of the beer cans. can even find a proper cam wheel nut tool to get the new covers on. all mine are too big. I will cal cali cycles after the holidays to check on what they have. Thanks all, and happy holidays. I go back to shop in finish wiring up the RFID on my 95 monster now, easier making wiring harness's then getting this bike fixed.

koko64 · December 22, 2016, 03:23:59 PM

Hope this helps. It's the CCW tool that fits my 1100. I have no idea if it fits the smaller motors. With your skills you could whip up a few in no time.

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