I need pet help.

[Sinister]

I've never used a crate to train a dog so take this bit of advice for what it is worth.  But I think that the crate, if over used, could backfire in this case.  Your dog has a lot of energy that it needs to work off.  If you do confine the dog, taking her for a hard run before you do a training session with it   should make it much more manageable. 

The point of the crate is to give a dog a place it feels safe, and to reinforce that it moves about at your leisure, not its own...again, part of the pack thing.  Good advice on letting the dog get the wiggles out before training.  While some may call this airing time 'unstructured' it is actually an important part of the training process.  Also, after a training session, crate the dog immediately for at least an hour. Dogs learn by taking snapshots in their minds; giving the dog time alone after training allows these training 'snapshots' to better cement into their experience.  It moves them along faster.

[ducpenguin]

If you can, I recommend it.  I have done this with both my dogs and the extra time is awesome.  Crate, crate, crate!!!  Structure the pup's time and you be the one to start and stop all play, walks, etc.  I would actually remove the dog from the family unit until you get it bonded to you, as its pack leader.  Crate the dog at home, and  structure its time out of the crate, as well.  It's not permanent.  If it's not possible, maybe it's best to find the pup a new home.

+1...this is definitely the way to go from what I have been hearing from you.  You certainly have the right intentions, and that is honorable.  If this solution doesn't work, it may be best to find another home...but you should really try this for a few weeks.  While you and Im are at work, leave her in the crate, just be sure to give praise when you get home and she has not messed in it.  Take her out and she will begin to pick up the habits of the other dogs.
Good luck!
Oops...someone beat me to it!

[DCXCV]

First things first................... You say you watch Cesar to get tips. Do you read the "Do not attempt to try this, leave to a professional""?? 

That dude isn't a professional either.  He just has a TV show.  And there are plenty of people who don't think his methods are worth a lot in the long run.


One thing I didn't see in the OP was if you introduced your dogs to the new one before you brought her home.  That is always a good step to take before introducing a new dog into the home of existing dogs (and cats, I guess).  Can help to sort out personality conflicts right away.

[Grampa]

One thing I didn't see in the OP was if you introduced your dogs to the new one before you brought her home.  That is always a good step to take before introducing a new dog into the home of existing dogs (and cats, I guess).  Can help to sort out personality conflicts right away.

that was a tricky step. for the first few days, we had to keep them seperated because Annie had a slight case of "kennel cough" whatever that was, and was on meds. She was well enough for us to adopt her, but they advised us to keep her away from the other pets for a few days.

we did ease them into meeting each othe, when the meds were gone.

[akmnstr]

I looked up the web page for the "Nature" show I mentioned in an earlier post.  The episode is named Underdogs.  Here is the link http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/underdogs/introduction/352/

Annie is not that much different from the 2 stars of this program. 

[Grampa]

I looked up the web page for the "Nature" show I mentioned in an earlier post.  The episode is named misfits.  Here is the link http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/underdogs/introduction/352/

Annie is not that much different from the 2 stars of this program. 

[Mother]

Oh Oh.  MY bad.  Sorry MonsterLover.  It must have been your makeup the threw me off. 

No No No

Monsterlover is a dewd

MonsterLove is a skirt

[Grampa]

Flesh Mechanic and Grief Mop   < mom = the new old Sac

[Mother]

Flesh Mechanic and Grief Mop   < mom = the new old Sac

he was always my hero

[Grampa]

you do know.... lm is never, ever gonna let me hang out with you  

I'm going to have to lie. "Honey  Bunny, I'm gonna go visit John."    

[VisceralReaction]

I gotta say people this isn't the previous owners fault. This dog is a Fox Terrior, You have to know and appreciate the breed
for what it is. Nothing except for the crapping in the house suprises me. That needs some work and the crate will help totally with that.
Fox Terriors are knuckleheads to an extreme. They are hard to train, they do get something in their head and that's all they
will think about. My folks have had them for years, I personally hate the breed. But I do respect their toughness and tenacity.
You really have to love the breed because you can't change the way that breed is going to act and they all act
generally the same. Like I said none of this is new to me. If you really don't want her, google, fox terrior rescues and give them a call.
They will usually take the dog and find them a new home.

[red baron]

bob is so fulla shit, he aint shootin no dog, and lm would catch bp in a second

[Sinister]

The use of pain, as a reinforcer, in this situation would probably make things worse.

[Grampa]

The use of pain, as a reinforcer, in this situation would probably make things worse.

lm found a trainer yesterday who says.... " yer dog is fixable"

so..... looks like we'll hunker down and weather the Annie storm.


train lm to be a pack leader
train the boys to be pack leaders
train annie

looks like I'm gonna need 4 shock collars   

[TiNi]

i'm glad you all decided to hunker down and give annie a chance to learn

good luck annie!