;D Don't taze me, Bro!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1667283/darwin_award_dimwits_5_grand_theft_dimwit/
Quote from: roy-nexus-6 on August 30, 2008, 09:48:58 PM
;D Don't taze me, Bro!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1667283/darwin_award_dimwits_5_grand_theft_dimwit/
the last two were golden.
[laugh]
Pure awesomeness!! Best one was the would be purse snatcher who gets suplexed by the little girl.
Quote from: Timmy Tucker on August 31, 2008, 07:02:42 AM
Pure awesomeness!! Best one was the would be purse snatcher who gets suplexed by the little girl.
That one was a setup, so was the guy who flipped off the cop and got beat down. The last one was great though!
The last one is ridiculous. I have really mixed feelings about it.
Yes, she was being obnoxious, but it was a traffic stop, not a criminal action. None of those things he listed (speeding, seatbelt, cracked windshield, brake light) is anything more than a traffic citation.
But I really don't know what the correct course of action would be.
It just nauseates me to see that kind of force used against someone who isn't threatening the officer. Had she been threatening him, then find, blow her head off, but she was just being a stupid loudmouth pregnant dog.
A traffic stop is technically an arrest. When you sign the ticket, you are being released on your own recognizance. So, technically, she was resisting arrest...
Quote from: NAKID on September 01, 2008, 11:22:58 AM
A traffic stop is technically an arrest. When you sign the ticket, you are being released on your own recognizance. So, technically, she was resisting arrest...
yes, but that's why i said "criminal".. procedures are totally different for criminal apprehension versus violations.
traffic cite is a violation, not a crime.
Eh, my pity is right around nil. When they're pointing a taser at me telling me to do something or they will tase me, I just take their word that they mean it.
Quote from: someguy on September 01, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
Eh, my pity is right around nil. When they're pointing a taser at me telling me to do something or they will tase me, I just take their word that they mean it.
Exactly...
She was not compliant on just about everything he asked.
He needed to get control of the sitaution before it escalated into a bullet hole in his chest.
I would be outraged if she was co-operating and got tazed..as it is, I agree with:
Quote from: someguy on September 01, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
Eh, my pity is right around nil. When they're pointing a taser at me telling me to do something or they will tase me, I just take their word that they mean it.
From another perspective:
You're on the phone during a traffic stop, calling someone and telling them where you are.
How would that sound if you were the LEO? I'd be concerned for who may show up, and with what. Time to put a stop to the situation.
And in other news-still damned funny! I want a taser!
Okay, but if you get one you can't use it on any friends (or animals) we know.
No pity whatsoever. First off shut the door like I asked you to do, don't tell me my job, and get off of the cell phone while I'm talking to you. Oh, and shut the make the beast with two backs up!!!
Quote from: lauramonster on September 01, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
Okay, but if you get one you can't use it on any friends (or animals) we know.
That's right. Only to be used on random strangers.
They love that sort of thing [laugh]
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 01, 2008, 05:28:26 PM
That's right. Only to be used on random strangers.
They love that sort of thing [laugh]
Why do I have the feeling that both you and Laura would have no issue with counting me as a random stranger in this case?
ever been tazed in your sleep?
Quote from: lauramonster on September 01, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
Okay, but if you get one you can't use it on any friends (or animals) we know.
I got a buddy who totally needs tasering :)
ever been tazed on the shitter?
I heard you can fry bacon really fast with a taser.
I bet [laugh]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 01, 2008, 07:31:46 AM
The last one is ridiculous. I have really mixed feelings about it.
Yes, she was being obnoxious, but it was a traffic stop, not a criminal action. None of those things he listed (speeding, seatbelt, cracked windshield, brake light) is anything more than a traffic citation.
But I really don't know what the correct course of action would be.
It just nauseates me to see that kind of force used against someone who isn't threatening the officer. Had she been threatening him, then find, blow her head off, but she was just being a stupid loudmouth pregnant dog.
he followed the proper by the book use of force escalation.
officer presence - didn't work
Verbal command -dind't work
Open hand contact - when he tried to pull her out of the vehicle she resisted
Impact weapon (baton) or incapacitating Tazer/pepper spray - He chose the tazer and gave plenty of warnings.
Quote from: Grifo on September 01, 2008, 06:13:25 PM
he followed the proper by the book use of force escalation.
officer presence - didn't work
Verbal command -dind't work
Open hand contact - when he tried to pull her out of the vehicle she resisted
Impact weapon (baton) or incapacitating Tazer/pepper spray - He chose the tazer and gave plenty of warnings.
i believe you, but it's troubling.
then again, what can you do in a situation like that? i mean, if she was speeding (or at least if the officer reasonably believed she was) then he had the power to pull her over and cite her. from there, i am IZ_ on the issue.
What's IZ_ bout doing what the cop tells you to?
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 01, 2008, 06:24:02 PM
i believe you, but it's troubling.
then again, what can you do in a situation like that? i mean, if she was speeding (or at least if the officer reasonably believed she was) then he had the power to pull her over and cite her. from there, i am IZ_ on the issue.
A civil person takes the citation, and fights in court, an asshole acts like that.
I have been in a similar situation before trying to pull a female acting just like that out of the car, when her brother first, charged at me from the other side of the car. Took him down with a dry stun, only to see her dad charging at me with an axe raised over his head.
He survived that encounter only because I already had my tazer in my hand. Took a chance and zapped him five feet from me. All three of them spent time in jail.
The last was priceless!
Quote from: NAKID on September 01, 2008, 06:39:51 PM
What's IZ_ bout doing what the cop tells you to?
a cop told my cousin to suck his dick or he'd arrest her after pulling her over for nothing. he apparently spotted her coming out of a mall and thought she was hot. she spent the night in jail. cop finally got busted after about 20 women had complained.
Quote from: Grifo on September 01, 2008, 06:47:32 PM
A civil person takes the citation, and fights in court, an asshole acts like that.
I have been in a similar situation before trying to pull a female acting just like that out of the car, when her brother first, charged at me from the other side of the car. Took him down with a dry stun, only to see her dad charging at me with an axe raised over his head.
He survived that encounter only because I already had my tazer in my hand. Took a chance and zapped him five feet from me. All three of them spent time in jail.
i hear your and if you'd have plugged him in that situation, you'd have been in the right.
i am not saying that woman in the video wasn't dealt with properly -- it just knocks a bit. if she had lunged at the pm, i wouldn't have any problem with it. i guess that's the issue -- what a civil person would do.
fortunately, i don't do criminal law. i would just hang everyone.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 02, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
i would just hang everyone.
sounds good to me. When are you running for president??
A reasonable person would know the difference. I understand where you're going, but it's just nothing like the case at hand. He never asked her to do anything remotely inappropriate...
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 02, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
a cop told my cousin to suck his dick or he'd arrest her after pulling her over for nothing. he apparently spotted her coming out of a mall and thought she was hot. she spent the night in jail. cop finally got busted after about 20 women had complained.
i hear your and if you'd have plugged him in that situation, you'd have been in the right.
i am not saying that woman in the video wasn't dealt with properly -- it just knocks a bit. if she had lunged at the pm, i wouldn't have any problem with it. i guess that's the issue -- what a civil person would do.
fortunately, i don't do criminal law. i would just hang everyone.
That woman was non compliant. How many times does a LEO have to tell you to do something?
My parents taught me to respect the law. It is obvious that this woman had a different view on things.
Watching the video is immediately shocking (couldn't help it, sorry) but the officer tried to reason, was without back up, woman was not rational and then came the call for help on cell phone. Please, the officer tried and the situation could have been worse if he didn't use the tazer.
it bothers me as well. i understand the escalation process, it seemed to happen really quickly though!
we had a famous case of a lost and confused polish man being tased in an airport becasue he was 'unresponsive or uncommunicative'. they tased him twice and he died.
seems like such a shame, and a lot of pain for a non-aggressive act.
that said, if there are people coming at you then by all means, taser them or something but i don't see a threat here. yet anyway.
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 07:45:22 AM
it bothers me as well. i understand the escalation process, it seemed to happen really quickly though!
we had a famous case of a lost and confused polish man being tased in an airport becasue he was 'unresponsive or uncommunicative'. they tased him twice and he died.
seems like such a shame, and a lot of pain for a non-aggressive act.
that said, if there are people coming at you then by all means, taser them or something but i don't see a threat here. yet anyway.
well, the diference here is she was arguing with the cop. the polish guy was babbling and the airport cops claimed he lunge at them (which later video showed was a lie).
i am not saying the woman shouldn't have been tazed. perhaps that really is the best way to have dealt with it.
the question i guess i would ask is, how would they deal with it without a taser? chances are, it would involve direct contact and possibly endanger the officer. if that is the alternative, then tase away.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 03, 2008, 10:16:12 AM
well, the diference here is she was arguing with the cop. the polish guy was babbling and the airport cops claimed he lunge at them (which later video showed was a lie).
i am not saying the woman shouldn't have been tazed. perhaps that really is the best way to have dealt with it.
the question i guess i would ask is, how would they deal with it without a taser? chances are, it would involve direct contact and possibly endanger the officer. if that is the alternative, then tase away.
ya, i suppose she was arguing with them (and i am not defending her actions, she should have done as instructed) but my point is not what she was doing but how fast the taser came out. people DO die, not as many as die from being shot with a pistool of course, lol, but it is a bit of an extreme response, IMHO.
good question, how do you deal with it? would it be such a strange thing for the officer to go back to his car and call for backup rather than give her 'fiddy-k'? if his safety is such a concern vis-a-vis hauling her azz out of the car.
as you may suspect i am leery of tasering people who AREN'T threatening anyone.
the polish guy didn't speak english and they didn't bother to get someone who did. it's a crap way to go, over that.
tiz I see where you are going with this. Let's take a look at another similar stop in comparison. No taser used. If you ask me, I think this guy acted like a professional. I agree that that other lady got what was coming to her, but the following is the proper way to handle it IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRTlrfTw0s
Quote from: dcal on September 03, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
tiz I see where you are going with this. Let's take a look at another similar stop in comparison. No taser used. If you ask me, I think this guy acted like a professional. I agree that that other lady got what was coming to her, but the following is the proper way to handle it IMHO.
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love this clip
this guy deserves a standing ovation everywhere he goes. well done.
makes the other popo look like he got poop-flakes for breakfast instead of corn-flakes
Quote from: Grifo on September 01, 2008, 06:47:32 PM
A civil person takes the citation, and fights in court, an asshole acts like that.
I have been in a similar situation before trying to pull a female acting just like that out of the car, when her brother first, charged at me from the other side of the car. Took him down with a dry stun, only to see her dad charging at me with an axe raised over his head.
He survived that encounter only because I already had my tazer in my hand. Took a chance and zapped him five feet from me. All three of them spent time in jail.
Wow you are good man for showing restraint. I think if someone came at me with axe over his head it would be an emptied magazine in his chest.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 03, 2008, 10:16:12 AM
the question i guess i would ask is, how would they deal with it without a taser? chances are, it would involve direct contact and possibly endanger the officer. if that is the alternative, then tase away.
Direct contact is exactly how they would have to deal with it. She would get hurt and the PO would get hurt dragging her from the car, maybe just a little maybe more. With the taz it's a non lethal alternative to hard force. It makes the noncompliant compliant.
Quote from: VisceralReaction on September 03, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
Direct contact is exactly how they would have to deal with it. She would get hurt and the PO would get hurt dragging her from the car, maybe just a little maybe more. With the taz it's a generally non lethal alternative to hard force. It makes the noncompliant compliant.
fixed it
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
ya, i suppose she was arguing with them (and i am not defending her actions, she should have done as instructed) but my point is not what she was doing but how fast the taser came out. people DO die, not as many as die from being shot with a pistool of course, lol, but it is a bit of an extreme response, IMHO.
good question, how do you deal with it? would it be such a strange thing for the officer to go back to his car and call for backup rather than give her 'fiddy-k'? if his safety is such a concern vis-a-vis hauling her azz out of the car.
as you may suspect i am leery of tasering people who AREN'T threatening anyone.
the polish guy didn't speak english and they didn't bother to get someone who did. it's a crap way to go, over that.
The taser was not drawn till the 4 min mark of the stop (the video was edited watch the time stamps in the top corner) After it was drawn she was given 4 verbal warnings over the course of 17 seconds.
she was given plenty of time.... I remember when this first came out on TV, the whole drama takes like 6 min. to play out in real time.
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
as you may suspect i am leery of tasering people who AREN'T threatening anyone.
She was on the phone, calling someone, telling them where she was.
What do you think was going to happen if that person showed up?
If I was in the position of the officer, I would think it was a threat. She was saying where she was when she got tased. There aren't a lot of reasons to do that.
Quote from: someguy on September 03, 2008, 01:00:54 PM
She was on the phone, calling someone, telling them where she was.
is this a threatening act?
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What do you think was going to happen if that person showed up?
well, it is broad daylight, not 200 miles from anything, and how many folk actually threaten police officers these days over a traffic stop?? maybe she doesn't have onstar and just wants someone to know where she is in case something bad happens? i mean you are reaching a bit with the phone call thing, she still isn't threatening him IN ANY WAY as far as i can tell, police officers obviously may feel differently...
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If I was in the position of the officer, I would think it was a threat. She was saying where she was when she got tased. There aren't a lot of reasons to do that.
again, i think this is reaching. again, i am not an officer but i think the dude overreacted, to say the least. sure he was pissed, sure she's a cow but what was she going to do, shoot him with her mobile? and this 'mystery thug' on the other end of the phone, c'mon. you don't taser someone for talking on the phone. you yell at them, fine. taser? no.
the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) says this:
With regard to use, which seems to generate the most public concern, PERF suggests prohibiting the following, among others: use on passive subjects, pregnant women, elderly persons, young children, and handcuffed persons. IACP recommends that department policy (1) establish when and under what circumstances officers may use the weapons and (2) clearly state inappropriate uses.
while she was clearly agitated she was more passive than aggressive. the officer in question is using his defensive less-lethal weapon in an offensive fashion it seems
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The moment she didn't comply and stayed in her car, she got what was coming to her.
The end
(really it would have been worse for her if they didn't taser her.... )
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 01:27:43 PM
is this a threatening act?
well, it is broad daylight, not 200 miles from anything, and how many folk actually threaten police officers these days over a traffic stop?? maybe she doesn't have onstar and just wants someone to know where she is in case something bad happens? i mean you are reaching a bit with the phone call thing, she still isn't threatening him IN ANY WAY as far as i can tell, police officers obviously may feel differently...
again, i think this is reaching. again, i am not an officer but i think the dude overreacted, to say the least. sure he was pissed, sure she's a cow but what was she going to do, shoot him with her mobile? and this 'mystery thug' on the other end of the phone, c'mon. you don't taser someone for talking on the phone. you yell at them, fine. taser? no.
the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) says this:
With regard to use, which seems to generate the most public concern, PERF suggests prohibiting the following, among others: use on passive subjects, pregnant women, elderly persons, young children, and handcuffed persons. IACP recommends that department policy (1) establish when and under what circumstances officers may use the weapons and (2) clearly state inappropriate uses.
while she was clearly agitated she was more passive than aggressive. the officer in question is using his defensive less-lethal weapon in an offensive fashion it seems
Well, here's a couple things. You don't live in the U.S. so you may not have an accurate feel for the way people act here. I have seen too many police videos where people attacked an unsuspecting officer. It's things like this that force the officer's to be on heightened alert.
Do you think she would have continued to act the same way if he had pulled his service weapon? One would hope not, but you never know.
He acted appropriately for the situation, she didn't die (which she could have on her own if he had not pulled her over in the first place)...
What was he supposed to do? He asked and asked, she said no, he asks again and again, again she says no.
He trys to drag her from the car, she resists, so for his safety, she got Tazed, he asked her 4 times to step out. with 3 distinct warnings of "you will be tazed"
The problem today is less and less people disrespect the law, and think they have the right to do whatever they want.
So the Police step up with pepper spray and Tazers and they suddenly are the bad guys, and yes, some police will do the wrong thing and use it when they shouldn't. but that is human nature.
But quite frankly if I carried on like that silly pregnant dog, I would have expected to be tazed as well.
He had little choice for a number of reasons
- Locals could be gathering, siding with her, suddenly he has a mob situation
- calls husband who arrives on scene with a firearm.
- as first he is alone with no backup. (He may not have had backup arrive until the last second, if at all)
- She did the wrong thing, she disrespected his authority, and she was given many opportunity's to rectify that, but she refused, what was he supposed to do, keep asking for 2 hours??
Quite frankly I say "Taze her Bro!!"
Quote from: NAKID on September 03, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Well, here's a couple things. You don't live in the U.S. so you may not have an accurate feel for the way people act here. I have seen too many police videos where people attacked an unsuspecting officer. It's things like this that force the officer's to be on heightened alert.
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ya, i can't believe people do sh*t like that. FYI i have spent months at a time in the US so i'm not totally unaware of the vibe... we get cr*p like that happening here too, maybe not as much... you expect this behaviour from criminals, not be-atches
Quote from: NAKID on September 03, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Well, here's a couple things. You don't live in the U.S. so you may not have an accurate feel for the way people act here. I have seen too many police videos where people attacked an unsuspecting officer. It's things like this that force the officer's to be on heightened alert.
I have a local Policeman that's a very good friend of mine. He always was on a heighten alert while on duty. I used to give him grief about how
he was in "cop" mode in this little town that I grew up in. (30,000 people). Just a little town in north Idaho. I used to say, Jeez Lee relax this is Moscow Idaho of all places not Detroit. He was shot and killed May 19th 2007 just after he got off duty. A call came in and he was still around and thought he would lend a hand. That morning I was trying to get him to go on a ride with me and giving him hell for being in "cop mode"
That really sux man, unfortunately, those are the risks that police officers take and exactly the kind circumstance I was thinking of when I posted that...
Yeah it does. Lee was telling me about a "dometic" that he was called on. The woman was in the doorway yelling and the guy was in the yard yelling.
There were a number of cops there. The wife said something and the guy said "I'm going to stab you in the face". He didn't have a weapon.
He starts running across the grass and Lee pulls his tazer and shoots the guy. He gets hit and goes headfirst into the cement. He ends up having a convulsion because he hit his head. You wouldn't believe how bad Lee felt that the guy got hurt from him being tazed when Lee was within
rights to actually pull his sidearm instead of the tazer. This guy would have been dead without a tazer.
Quote from: dcal on September 03, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
tiz I see where you are going with this. Let's take a look at another similar stop in comparison. No taser used. If you ask me, I think this guy acted like a professional. I agree that that other lady got what was coming to her, but the following is the proper way to handle it IMHO.
that patrolman deserves a medal
IMO:
Quote from: ducatizzzz on September 01, 2008, 07:31:46 AM
The last one is ridiculous. I have really mixed feelings about it.
Yes, she was being obnoxious, but it was a traffic stop, not a criminal action. None of those things he listed (speeding, seatbelt, cracked windshield, brake light) is anything more than a traffic citation.
But I really don't know what the correct course of action would be.
It just nauseates me to see that kind of force used against someone who isn't threatening the officer. Had she been threatening him, then find, blow her head off, but she was just being a stupid loudmouth pregnant dog.
I kinda of agree that it was ridiculous. I personally would be in IA and probably get days off if I did the same thing. A few tweaks and it would be OK. Like if she was trying to start the car and drive away, or reaching for anything that could be construed as a weapon. Barring anything like that a simple pain compliance technique such as a twist lock on the wrist would work fine and could easily be used to remove her from the car.
As far as criminal vs infraction vs. arrest. If you watch the tape again you'll notice there is a couple minute gap between the registration/insurance question and the "step out of the car" command. Because I do the same job (as does Grifo), I can guess with 99% certainty that the gap contains her refusing to sign the ticket. If you refuse to sign, you go to jail. Signing the citation is a promise to appear, she wouldn't promise so she gets forced to appear. Now she is resisting arrest which is a seperate misdemeanor charge all to itself (in CA).
Regarding the Taser: Tazing someone is actually a "nicer" thing to do if you really think about it. Tazing last 5 seconds or less. Pain over. Pepperspray will bother you (hurt your eyes, throat, make it diffucult to breathe) for at least 45 minutes, sometimes longer. A baton (most common tool used pre taser in so cal) will leave you with broken ribs, legs, or arms.
Quote from: GotDuc on September 02, 2008, 07:06:04 PM
My parents taught me to respect the law. It is obvious that this woman had a different view on things.
I work in LA County. A LOT of parents teach their kids to hate the police. Getting hate stares from a 9 year old is both commonplace and sad at the same time. The way that woman acted is not unusual around here.
Quote from: dcal on September 03, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
tiz I see where you are going with this. Let's take a look at another similar stop in comparison. No taser used. If you ask me, I think this guy acted like a professional. I agree that that other lady got what was coming to her, but the following is the proper way to handle it IMHO.
A: The guy signed the ticket.
B: That video is pre taser. Yes there were tasers back then but not to the extent of the last five years. Most major police departments did not issue tasers to all officers until post 2003, some still haven't because of the cost.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on September 03, 2008, 11:28:31 AM
Wow you are good man for showing restraint. I think if someone came at me with axe over his head it would be an emptied magazine in his chest.
I don't think it was restaint, his hand had a taser in it. Kinda of like our SWAT guy last year that had a tear gas launcher ready to deploy when the suspect shot him. The suspect got the cannister in the chest...then a bunch of bullets.
Quote from: VisceralReaction on September 03, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
Direct contact is exactly how they would have to deal with it. She would get hurt and the PO would get hurt dragging her from the car, maybe just a little maybe more. With the taz it's a non lethal alternative to hard force. It makes the noncompliant compliant.
Again. We are trained to remove people froma car where I work. And she hit the ground after being tazed. Would have been safer to just pull her out. They had two cops there.
Quote from: eyeboy on September 03, 2008, 01:27:43 PM
is this a threatening act?
Yes, it is. We have people call people to their traffic stops all the time. It's dangerous. I stopped a guy yesterday and was fine by myself dealing with him. 20 seconds later his two friends showed up. 20 seconds later two of mine did too. :) He had multiple warrants and I didn't appreciate the call he made prior to stopping.
Quotewell, it is broad daylight, not 200 miles from anything, and how many folk actually threaten police officers these days over a traffic stop?? maybe she doesn't have onstar and just wants someone to know where she is in case something bad happens? i mean you are reaching a bit with the phone call thing, she still isn't threatening him IN ANY WAY as far as i can tell, police officers obviously may feel differently...
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It's documented that inmates train in jail/prison how to attack us on traffic stops, ped stops, etc.. Countless police officers have been killed on traffic stops.
Thanks to all the cops who keep up safe (so I can live in ignorance and bliss).
No, I don't like tickets, but I truly enjoy living in a safe area.
:-* to make up for the hate stare.
Quote from: hbliam on September 04, 2008, 08:25:38 PM
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Regarding the Taser: Tazing someone is actually a "nicer" thing to do if you really think about it. Tazing last 5 seconds or less. Pain over. Pepperspray will bother you (hurt your eyes, throat, make it diffucult to breathe) for at least 45 minutes, sometimes longer. A baton (most common tool used pre taser in so cal) will leave you with broken ribs, legs, or arms.
have you guys had any deaths from taser usage? we've had a couple up here and the former head of the national police force is recommending its use be more controlled
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I work in LA County. A LOT of parents teach their kids to hate the police. Getting hate stares from a 9 year old is both commonplace and sad at the same time. The way that woman acted is not unusual around here.
this is so sad. i do notice at the soccer games here there are lots of officers that spend a lot of their time goofing around with the younger kids, i assume to build a trust factor
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Yes, it is. We have people call people to their traffic stops all the time. It's dangerous. I stopped a guy yesterday and was fine by myself dealing with him. 20 seconds later his two friends showed up. 20 seconds later two of mine did too. :) He had multiple warrants and I didn't appreciate the call he made prior to stopping.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It's documented that inmates train in jail/prison how to attack us on traffic stops, ped stops, etc.. Countless police officers have been killed on traffic stops.
no, apparently i don't, but i did say that several times ;D ;D
thanks for doing what you do. [thumbsup] [leo]
Quote from: eyeboy on September 05, 2008, 07:38:04 AM
have you guys had any deaths from taser usage? we've had a couple up here and the former head of the national police force is recommending its use be more controlled
I've yet to see an actual case that proved a death was caused by the taser.
Quotethis is so sad. i do notice at the soccer games here there are lots of officers that spend a lot of their time goofing around with the younger kids, i assume to build a trust factor
They probably just like the kids.
If I was that police officer a taser would have been my last choice. I would have used a nightstick or ASP baton on her. The tazers pain is over to quickly and she obviously needed to taste a little.
Quote from: blue tiger on September 05, 2008, 06:39:42 PM
If I was that police officer a taser would have been my last choice. I would have used a nightstick or ASP baton on her. The tazers pain is over to quickly and she obviously needed to taste a little.
how about going at her with nail-clippers? oh, the agony [laugh]