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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/149774/1/doctors_identify_stoner_illness.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/149774/1/doctors_identify_stoner_illness.html)

words like slight and mild sound like BS to me

Eets De Herpeez!  [puke]

That's interesting. I'm guessing he's always had Anemia...they just now found it.

Sounds like one cause of Gastritis can be overuse of aspirin and ibuprofen...maybe from the beating he takes as a GP rider.

He's probably glad the break is coming!

Anaemia:

1. Pathology. a quantitative deficiency of the hemoglobin, often accompanied by a reduced number of red blood cells and causing pallor, weakness, and breathlessness.

but that's not any different than other sports... you don't want to give too much for the others to jump on

First comment cracked me up

"A few pints of guinness and a lamb bhuna, a day on the toilet getting rid, and he'll be right as rain."


mitt

Stoner's mystery illness is..... Bottle-itis. It's simple, to use my english vernacular, he's lost his bottle. That'll be $20,000 for the diagnosis please. [evil]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bottle (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bottle)

(the first definition covers it)

Turn your head to the side and cough......

again......

again......

Feeling better now?

I'm assuming that you are a Pom?
Now you knew you were going to get a reaction to this, If you Poms want to go Casey bashing in your own country, no worries, but you can make the beast with two backs right off if you think that (he has no balls) is fair call. 
Don
PS how are you going in the Cricket

 [popcorn]

Stay tuned...... I think some sheep jokes are up next [cheeky]

I would have asked how Toseland is going.

make the beast with two backs the cricket! There all a bunch of make the beast with two backsen fairies.  8)

You're thinking of New Zealand (http://www.population.govt.nz/myth-busters/sheepmyth.htm)

I'm a Stoner fan (yes, I'm Australian) and was concerned that this was "bottle-itis" but I don't think that having Anemia, however mild, is going to help a top level athlete compete against arguably the greatest motorcycle racer of all time.

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-stoner-mystery-deepens/ (http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-stoner-mystery-deepens/)

Apparently it's no that simple.

BTW, what is "arm pump"?

pain/soreness/loss of grip when, basically, the blood flow into the arm is greater than the flow out.

or it's all imaginary:

http://www.racingpsychology.com/article001.html (http://www.racingpsychology.com/article001.html)

interesting... it does make sense as a plausible explanation...

If left untreated, severe cases of Arm Pump can lead to "compartment syndrome".  You don't want it, trust me.  When the docs treat CS, they cut open the offending Forearm, and performa  fasciotomy to remove the inflammed/damaged fascia.  This requires quite some time to heal.  Compartment syndrome isn't super prevelant though.

Calm the flock down Bruce, take two tubes of Swan and call me in the morning. [drink]

You're so sensitive! Share Don's Swans. ;)

Not sensitive, just don't like cricket or cricketers.  ;)

http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/08/10/casey_stoner_to_withdraw_from_brno.html (http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/08/10/casey_stoner_to_withdraw_from_brno.html)

That is sad if indeed it is true.  :'(

They released what is wrong with Stoner today.  Its a combination of his wrist not working properly, arm pump, mystery stomach cramps, vomiting, fatigue, psychological problems, sabotaged forks, top speed advantage gone, jorge is the new hot shit and I'm not syndrome, and a severe case of can't stand the heat when you are unable to clear off from the pack disease.  I'm sure his wife is on the rag for good measure.

If there wasn't something wrong with Stoner, I'm not sure I'd recognize him.

According to this: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP)
he will be missing the next 3 races with Kallio filling in on his bike...and Fabrizio on Kallio's bike with Pramac??!!
Hrmmm...isn't Fabrizio duking it out with Nori and Spies for the top spot in WSBK?
The crazy season just got crazier...

That sucks.

I have a hard time with a professional athlete pulling himself out during a season, when it appears he can perform. Who knows though...it'd be nice to know the complete story.

Get ready for GP9s bringing up the rear.  :'( C'mon Nicky!

Fabrizio will only run the Brno round as I read it; next wsbk race is in September. The only round that would conflict would be the third; Misano.

Man, I'm so confused.  This totally screwed up all my silly season musings. 

And I hate that douchebrizio is on a GP ride, that twerp.   

Why do you hate him so much?

Dunno.  The "I love you Ben" sign after he pedrosaized The Ben was the last straw.  Maybe it was the crash.  Maybe it was that dumbass wave when he passed The Ben (and then got schooled later).  I just never warmed up to him, and have grown more annoyed by him as this season has progressed.    That said, I can be fickle.  I might wanna bone him in a year or two.    [laugh]

It sucks that this year just turned into the Rossi/Lorenzo show.  Pedrosa will challenge them in individual races, but he's too far down in the points.  I guess I'm just gonna have to continue to be disappointed with Hayden, keep rooting for Melandri, and wonder when JT is gonna climb on his pitbike and head back to WSBK.

 [laugh]  :-X  [puke]

Agreed the wave was bonehead, but I like him anyway. He's fast, aggressive (too much last race but he's young), and seems to be a fun guy really enjoying himself out there.  [thumbsup]

Queen - 'Another One Bites the Dust' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

(http://www.bsmarkham.com/mission/armstrong/buzzards.jpg)

no matter what you think of Stoner, sucks when one of the top competitors can't finish the season in the fight.

Everyone claims to want competition in racing and here some people are happy that a competitor dropped out. The competition is only good when it's your guy winning huh?

I'm just stirring the pot man.

I think its terrible this is happening.  Having Stoner drop out kills a lot of the drama for the end of the season.  The only person that has any real shot of shaking up the final result of this season is Pedrosa.  You have to assume that Lorenzo and Rossi are going to top the podiums at every race, barring odd circumstance.  Its not likely Lorenzo is going to win all 7 races, so Rossi's 25pt lead is solid, but not unbeatable.  Pedro can have some impact on the point distribution, but without Stoner in there, we're probably not going to see any big swings in points.  i.e. Lorenzo 1st, Rossi 4th, etc.... again barring crashes or odd weather.

I guess my feelings are that Stoner gets paid a lot of money and he's been a front runner, so without the doctors finding anything conclusive other than fatigue, I think he needs to saddle up and ride.  Rest after the season imo.  He turns the least amount of practice laps, and should be the least fatigued.  I think since he's back in the points he's just throwing in the towel.  Maybe doctors will find something, but at this point it just looks like he needs to man up.  Who knows.  What I do know is that Lorenzo in the past two seasons has ridden through a broken body and confidence issues when he could have sat out without any grumblings from fans or team, so I find "fatigue" a really lame excuse not to ride for the next month and a half.  I can't stand Pedrobot either, but he's ridden through some pretty harsh physical conditions as well, regardless of where he might finish the race.  I'm sure he may have wanted to rest up longer, but he had people help him get on the bike and rode anyhow.  I'd bet Jorge and Pedro were much more "fatigued" than Stoner considering how badly they have been beat up.

the distinction between some broken bones and something that saps all your energy isn't clear?  really?

Stoner has been doing better each race and just had a 3 week layoff.  Get on the bike and see where you stand this weekend.  Run a race simulation during practice and call it then.  He's been in much better shape lately and sometimes you gut through stuff like this when you are the star for a team and get paid.  I'd say sapping all his energy is a bit of a stretch, he just has lower overall stamina which has improved steadily since Catalunya.  Had he not fubared Donington with the wets decision, maybe he finishes in the top three ( or wins ) and magically everything is ok.  Instead he drops out of the title chase, so taking off the next few races seems a better option.  I'm willing to bet that the result in Donington was more a deciding factor in this decision than his actual physical shape.  If he places in Donington, he's on the bike this weekend.

Maybe someone else that has dealt with it can chime in as well.  Anemia is not "a little fatigue."  It  S U C K S :(  I had to deal with it when I was younger and I'm amazed he has even finished those races, let alone placed.  Without knowing more medical info it's hard to say much about all the circumstances.   Just dealing with anemia alone would be a real pita while trying to race.
  Personally I want to see him race.  But I understand it might take a move like this to get it straightened out.  Even with the medical staff he has access to.  Besides it's just racing around on a track.  I would put personal health before missing a few races.  No matter how important they are.  Hope he can get back on his feet and be ready for next year  [moto]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/highsider/repsol.jpg)

If I were Ducati, I'd:

1) Nicely, ask his wife to stay out of the paddock

2) Send him away to a remote island (or Iceland) for a week's retreat with Troy Bayliss

3) Set up around the paddock half-a-dozen, life-size cardboard grinning Rossis holding the '08 USGP trophy....gotta find out fast if he's worth holding on to....if he doesn't like it then fire his ozzie azz....

4) Regardless, start working feverishly with Nicky to give him a bike he can podium with...

learn to count to 4?  Sorry.  I really am.  I just couldn't stop myself.   [laugh]

Why ask his wife to stay out of the paddock?  You think she is sucking the win (both figuratively and literally) out of him?  And I don't think added pressure is gonna help the poor young one's brain problem (to the extent he has one).  He just needs some rest, a coupla fluffers and a deserted beach.  So says Doc Spidey.   ;D

 ;D Huh, what are you talking about - count to 4?   [evil]

(At the risk of being too cerebral and blowing this out of proportion  [coffee]) I don't see how he and his team can focus and work at the very serious business of racing (i.e., do his/their job) with his spouse 'hanging around' the office.  Regardless of her demeanor and/or professionalism/behavior, she's there and, therefore, inside his 22-year-old head.  Also, the crew has to watch what they say and how they act around her, lest it be sensed and/or misinterpreted and fed back to Casey "on the pillow" later in the day.  We already know he has a "sabotage" complex....

Same would apply if she was the rider and he was the supportive spouse.  Reducto ad absurdum....NASA sending a few 'supportive spouses/SOs' along on a space shuttle mission.....would be interesting to see how that would turn out  ;D

The troughs of sports history are full of once-great, no-longer-young athletes (male and female) whose careers ended real early because they couldn't keep their eyes on the prize and thought their talent would carry them forever... Casey got to the top quickly - perhaps he'll learn, before it's too late, that it takes a lot more work to stay there.

Why would anyone disregard the news and assume it's all in his head or what-ev? That's a bit oddly self serving, no? WTF facts has anyone got at all?
All this big smack talk about what a pansy Stoner is. Gawddam. Like any of you could pass him on his worst day. Fek.  [coffee]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP)
"The doctors believe that during the Barcelona race I was suffering from a virus, and, that I subsequently pushed my body too hard, leading to problems that have caused my fatigue since then. " -Stoner

Shitfokpissdamnsh*t  this sucks. I don't want to watch the Rossi-Lorenzo show the rest of the season. boring.




I'm taking your advice myself.  8) Outer Banks... fluffer in tow. l8r

apparently that's a risk you are willing to take!    [laugh]

At my age that's not much of a risk   ;D  [thumbsup]

Not being able to ride faster than Casey is the only thing he's better at than most people here.

Besides, I just didn't want point 1 to overshadow points 2, 2, and 3, lest I be perceived as a pig... ;D

Casey's the deer that's caught in the M1's headlights.....Needs a major attitude/paradigm adjustment asap - then he'll be feeling a whole lot better.  Might even win another title or two.

I really dont like stoner but theres no denying he has talent.
The Ducati is a dog and he's the only one who can ride it..
hell stick melandri on and underfunded underdevoled kwaker and he does better than on the ducati.
Like Hayden you dont get to be world champion just because Valentino fell off more often than you did or cos the M1 broke ore often than your bike

I agree the medical xplanation seems a bit weak but i have a nagging feeling that there could be something far worse wrong with Mr Stoner.

Maybe Adriana is a sucubus. Or a Vampire  8)

I worry that he could have something seriously wrong with him. It's a shame that he's been stricken ill like this during a season when he could be so competitive.

do any of you guys remember when slight had his medical issue?

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/medupdate.html (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/medupdate.html)

Castrol Honda's Aaron Slight will undergo surgery on Friday in Sydney, Australia to stop the bleeding from a burst blood vessel in his brain.

Slight, 34, from Masterton, New Zealand was diagnosed as having an 'arteriovenous malformation' - also known as AVM - following a brain scan on Wednesday.

"Aaron has been suffering for a long time with the symptoms of what has now been diagnosed as AVM. For example, he has suffered from a lack of focus in his vision and from a low level of concentration."


this guy was piloting a world superbike honda (colin's teammate) without being able to see clearly! scary shit.

(read his book)

Now that he can't pull a 30 second lead, the other manufacturers caught up with developing their machines and his competition on the same tires. It scares the crap out of him. Stoner is not a racer, give him a clear track he will run away, give him competition he crumbles.

These conversations are so constructive, I'm going to avoid entering a Stoner thread from now on. He's ridden around one of the (allegedly) worst bikes on the grid. He's been fighting with confirmed illness for months, he's still on the podium, he's 22 and a ex-world champion and all most of you guys can say is "man up". The sum of the commentary is "go race against one of the greatest if not the greatest motorcycle racer of all time when you can't maintain energy levels throughout a race and if you don't, you're a pussy".

You guys really are myopic.

Now that's just crazy talk.  He is a former MotoGP world champion, and has been racing 125s, 250s and GP bikes for nearly the last decade.  Last year, Livio Suppo said that when contract time came up, he'd take Stoner over Rossi. 

BTW, how has this thread not degenerated into a buncha pictures of Adriana?  You guys are letting me down. 

This was disingenuous on Suppo's part, since he couldn't have Rossi, anyway.

FWIW, anyone (besides Derby) remember Jay Springsteen -- another  case of stress causing a debilitating, long-term illness for a HOF rider?

We'll know it's stress for Casey when his hair starts to fall out and he gets shingles and rashes......[evil]

I don't think Rossi could ride that bike either.   :P  Its the Stone man's bike, period.

For the record, I'm not hating on Stoner's ability to ride or his skill, but I do think rich athletes sometimes dog it when they could probably go.  We see it across all sports.  Some play through pain, sickness, etc...... and well, some sit.  My issue is that there has been nothing conclusive about Stoner's health tbh.  The anemia was blown out of proportion and half of you would probably test the same as Stoner.  What we're down to is a theory about a virus and other than that, nothing.  Stoner already gutted through the worst of it, so its a little late to sit imo.  I truly believe that since he fubared Donington, he's tossing in the towel, and I don't like that attitude.  Rossi almost caught Hayden in 06' despite facing a big gap.  Never give up.  Who knows, Rossi and Lorenzo might Pedroize each other a few times during hard scraps and bam, you're back in the hunt.

sounds like you know things that no one else does about his situation.  i mean, certainly you aren't making these assessments based on what's in the media.  what else can you tell us?

Well considering that he himself has said over the last month that he's been in better shape week by week, I'll take it from Stoner himself.  I'm tellin yah, Donington made this decision easy for him.  Not going to win the title anyway, so why not just kick it back and recharge for next year.

lol.  ok.

 ;)

Always goes 1 of 2 ways when it's a stoner thread, this one went the bashing way instead.

I think a lot of the comments in this thread just make no sense and it's hard to take seriously.  Like this one.  I can only guess your joking or lets say "other" to remain polite.  With this logic it's a miracle all those other guys who won't title bother trying.

For the record...

I didn't say anything against his skill or ability to ride man.  Dude is fast, he's just never seemed to have a stretch where something wasn't moaned upon.  Not being the best fighter doesn't mean he isn't insanely talented.  Pedrosa is in the same boat.

Stoner can make his comeback next year riding the GP9 in the Isle of Man TT Superbike competition.... ;D

because statler takes them down.   

I would post a pic of her but last time i did statler took the thread down. 8)

they don't all get taken down:

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25214.msg444136#msg444136 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25214.msg444136#msg444136)

i almost hesitate to post this... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77624 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77624)

Although they didn't specifically diagnose overtraining, it sounds like the same thing to me.  My understanding is that it can take a long, long time to recover from acute overtraining.

I'm not sure I've ever taken the time to check her out. Now, I'm not sure I can stop. Thanks.  [laugh]

How old is she now?  19 or something?

 [coffee]
Let's see, Casey's wife is still a teenager and his doctor, who's named after a Starbuck's coffee drink, thinks he knows how fatigued a 50-year old feels.  [roll]

I guarantee that if Adriana spent some time with this 50-year old [wine] he'd feel a whole lot younger very quickly!  ;D  [evil]

Keep dreaming, that's what the interwebs are for I guess.  [cheeky]

 ;)

Back on topic!

The plot thickens....

http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=MOTOGP_BRNO_SUPPO_RUBBISHES_STONER_CLAIMS_1 (http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=MOTOGP_BRNO_SUPPO_RUBBISHES_STONER_CLAIMS_1)

http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/08/20/schwantz_on_stoner_skipping_three_races_.html (http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/08/20/schwantz_on_stoner_skipping_three_races_.html)

I think Schwantz covered just about all my points in the last few weeks.   Least someone agrees with me.    ;D

Woah......these rumors are getting a little edgy for me!  If this it true, Stoner's recent actions are just a temper tantrum.  He will not be able to handle his #1 position on the Factory squad being threatened!   [popcorn]

http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=IS_A_LORENZO_13M_WAGE_BILL_THE_BEGINNING_OF_THE_END_1 (http://www.bikesportnews.com/articles/article.html?id=IS_A_LORENZO_13M_WAGE_BILL_THE_BEGINNING_OF_THE_END_1)

In my opinion any one who can ride a motorcyle fast is a legend. I'm not talking about someone who may think they can ride fast on the road, I mean riders who are consistently fast day in day out. Testing, qualifying and racing in wet and dry conditions. Most of the time through the season they do it injured. And on top of that they are under a constant spot light in particular from the European Press.

The people knocking Casey seem to forget his efforts to keep the Duke on the podium despite throwing up during the race. Did you even watch the race? when he got of the bike he was finished, you could see it.

No other rider has been able to make the bike go as fast as he does. In 2007 all Ducati fans were on the band wagon, yet when he becomes ill, the vultures come out. What makes it really distastfull for me is that this crap is on a Ducati Forum!

Give the guy the benefit of doubt, or if you continue to knock him prove that you can at least ride as fast and get your lap times up to speed.

He will be back and he will go fast, I'm sure faster than any person who is bagging him on the forum. And if it turns out the poor bastard has some long term health problems that doesn't allow him to ride again, either way there will be some humble pie for you pretenders to chow down on!

Wake up and support all racers, in particular those on a Ducati.

Cheers  [beer]

^^^ I think you're overstating the presence of "vultures" a little bit. Casey still has a lot of support from Duc fans, especially as no one else has shown the ability to corner effectively on a buckin' bronco.

the problem, so to speak, is -- and this is not at all unusual when it comes to stoner and the media -- lack of information.  with lack of information, the media will do what it does best.  and even level-headed folks like schwantz will at least acknowledge the possibility that whatever's going on is a little dubious.

yeah, i saw him in catalunya, unable to even get off the bike.  and he was only slightly better on subsequent rounds.  there's something wrong with the dude and it's not a broken ankle.  maybe it's some blood thing and he'll be out for good.  there's a million possibilities.

but if you're a GP racer, you're in the hunt for the championship, and you've got Philip Morris money behind you, at least issue a press release.  be humble.  say directly, i'm sorry, i have to do this, there's no other choice, i'll be back as soon as possible, i'm afraid i'm about to die, thank you so much to my team and sponsors, etc.  don't be coy about it.  ...or else they may give your bike away a week later.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78023 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78023)

Absolutely.

Snipped this off another board (my quotes)

"...Stoner's family  basically sold the house and hedged everything they had on Casey's 
career in Europe. He's been racing hard since age 4, with nothing resembling a normal childhood..."

If true, the guy's probably ready to crack.  Some time off for a little fun wouldn't hurt.  I retract my earlier suggestion that he needs to join the Marines..

...i will keep my opinion about the military to myself....
And I hope he gets plenty of love from his super beautiful wife.
Give the guy some time...hes 22
Old farts like Sete still do almost the same round time as a Rossi can..
I think there is much Stoner will show us.
And I am SOOOO happy Lorenzo did not join Ducati...I dont have to sell my bike yet  [bacon]

Thank goodness he wasn't/isn't under any pressure... [roll] [roll] [roll]
"Just do your best son, if you fail the family loses everything..."

This is insulting to a lot of people.
Words fail me.

+1

That is a complete and utter disrespect for the men that decide to join our armed services.  Its a wreckless generalization akin to the racism of past.

I will refrain from calling you out on this one, since your from Copenhagen.

ok, folks.   Instead of locking this one I may do some pruning, but why don't we knock off the insults and discuss the racer.

ArguZ, let's try to not get threads in Racing and Trackdays locked by starting a pissing match with military members or families of same.

but if you're a GP racer, you're in the hunt for the championship, and you've got Philip Morris money behind you, at least issue a press release.  be humble.  say directly, i'm sorry, i have to do this, there's no other choice, i'll be back as soon as possible, i'm afraid i'm about to die, thank you so much to my team and sponsors, etc.  don't be coy about it.  ...or else they may give your bike away a week later.
[/quote]
This was taken from caseystoner.com
CASEY STONER, Ducati MotoGP Team (3rd in the championship on 150 points)
“After five extremely difficult races due to my health, I returned to Australia to visit the sports doctors who have looked after me for many years. We have taken the difficult decision not to contest the next three rounds of the championship, to allow my body time to recover from the recent stress. The doctors believe that during the Barcelona race I was suffering from a virus, and, that I subsequently pushed my body too hard, leading to problems that have caused my fatigue since then. The doctors are continuing with many tests to try to understand these problems and make sure it does not happen again. I have spoken with Ducati and thank them for their understanding at this time. I feel very sorry for the factory, my team, my sponsors and the fans and I am also disappointed because the bike in the last races has been very competitive. I will be doing everything possible to come back at full strength for Portugal.

That's great...

but if I was signing his check I'd want a face to face explanation before a public announcement. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that that happened.

Keep in mind I'm not a Casey hater.

Lol that show sucks, unforunately the girl thinks he's dreamy  [roll]

+1 to Stoner making a press conference for his career, fans, sponsers, team, and ducati. 

The real reason Stoner is out of the spotlight, this video obtained of Stoner was so embarrassing he feigned sickness. ;D

Funny Commercial - Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbF1QvtMO4#normal)

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/09/08/82571_ntnews.html (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/09/08/82571_ntnews.html)

Hopefully all this vacationing and fishing isn't stressing Stoner out too much.  Are Ducati/Marlboro still paying him during this time off?  I can see it now... "Stoner misses the big catch due to sabotaged fishing rod."

That's so freaking funny!! Can't quit laughing!

Your's for only $175 US!!

Stills of Rossi's pass on the corkscrew in 2008...

http://www.automotophoto.com/laguna_motogp08/rossi_stoner_pass.html (http://www.automotophoto.com/laguna_motogp08/rossi_stoner_pass.html)

Fixed it.

i thought it was in the rules you can't gain a position while off the track? at least it's that way in most 4-wheel racing

if you look at the pics, he gained position before he went off track.

maybe it's just me he went off the track due to the pass and in turn kept the position due to running off the track. if you see he came wide on the outside, then had knowing he couldn't get into position for the next turn cut the track to finish the pass. it was one long pass through two turns (or 1 1/2 turns and some dirt)

by the 2nd frame he has the position.  damn near the 1st.

Here we go again.  [roll]

....you'd think that if there were a problem with that sequence Dorna would have talked to him about it.  LAST YEAR.

Haven't we cleared this up a few times before? lol.   Rossi took the spot on the entry, did brake too deep, had no choice but to run off track ( lucky he didn't crash, obviously not intentional ) but maintained position through and after the turn.  Tough pass, but its racing... and +1 to what gm2 said.  If there was an issue with the pass, they would have handled it long ago.

and to answer the next question that apparently/inevitably is about to come up, no, there was no contact.

 ;D

Yes to all that but, why wasn't Rossi penalized time with a ride through pit lane like they do at other tracks when someone cuts a corner?

Not that it would have mattered having a 15 minute lead on everyone after Stoner beached it.
To bring us full circle...
This is the very beach at which Stoner began to suck.

And when I say "suck," I mean, tenths of seconds slower than one other person in the WHOLE WORLD sometimes slower than two people,
otherwise still WHIPPING EVERYONE ELSE's ASSES IN THE WHOLE WORLD.*

*When I say 'whole world' I mean the MotoGP
Fek, seriously.

Riders aren't always penalized with a ride through if they either didn't gain any noticable advantage or let the passed riders go past them before they resume full pace.  Rossi may have gone off track a bit there, but he already had position and didn't gain anything significant like 5-10 bike lengths as many other cut corners result in.  I would say he gained nothing and was pretty much in the same position or even closer to Stoner than when the pass occurred at the top of the corkscrew.

On another note, I'd imagine Stoner chose to come back when he is, due to the last handful of tracks suiting him and his style.  It allows him the greatest chance for success and in his mind probably a way to shut everyone up.  Good luck with that though.

when's the last time you saw a racer penalized with a drive-through for cutting a corner in a motogp race?

this isn't like cutting the nouveau chicane in monaco.

to me it looks like he would have wrecked if he didnt cut the corner or would have had to jam on the brakes to make it, both ways given the position back to Stoner... thereby it gave him an advantage.

[laugh]

not-crashing is not the kind of 'advantage' that rule refers to.

let's recap, shall we?

Rossi-Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA#noexternalembed-normal)

sorry totally took this off topic.. well not me really... but i egged it on.

Back to the mystery illness...

that's ok, other than fishing there's nothing in this thread to talk about until Estoril.  ;)

not true....his wife!!!!

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/09/21/1189881778302.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/09/21/1189881778302.html)

"They met at Phillip Island four years ago when Adriana asked him to sign her stomach"


........from the inside?  ;D

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/23/livio_suppo_certain_that_stoner_will_ret.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/23/livio_suppo_certain_that_stoner_will_ret.html)

Marlboro says Stoner should apologize.  Wow.

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html)

Wow,

Originally I was very enthusiastic about this forum and threads about the Ducati racing effort, in particular Casey Stoner.

I have now found that this thread has rambled on about stuff which has no relevance to the original subject, and it has frustrated me to the point where I no longer find the thread or the people making the negative comments remotely interesting. Example are: No Balls to go hard, a pretend illness, Marines?, His Wife, the Italian press (which wants Rossi on a Ducati)  and claims that Casey just disappeared without notifying the team or sponsors (which is untrue).

Unless you can ride a MotoGP bike fast, your comments are just the ramblings of a pretender. I can only imagine what it would take to ride one of those bikes beyond its limits, and I appreciate everyone of those rider's skills and balls to go hard.

So go hard or go home you pretenders!

Do us all a favor, and first of all be loyal to Ducati or sell the bike (probably your first Ducati). Then go back to forums about being a "Metrosexual" or playing computer games.

Toughen up pretenders and get out on the track and back your comments with fast lap times, or appreciate the people who can.

Huh?

Where did that come from?

Huh?

So where did your comments come from?

Which one?

Read the whole tread

You mean the comment that I think he handled the situation poorly, according to the info I have, by not discussing the situation with his 'employers'?

It has nothing to do with his ability as a racer. He handled it poorly as an 'employee' and a man IMO.

I stand by that.

So, you think you can take the high moral ground (according to the information you have) to bring in to question Casey's integrity. So where did you get this information, was it first hand from Casey's "employers"? or was it from the media that we all read?

Also, I guess you can comment on his position as an "employee" but I doubt you can question weather he is a man.

You read too much into things.

I didn't question his integrity.

I question his actions in this situation.

If you have sources better/more accurate than what is available to the rest of us, share them. Maybe I'll change my position. If you're basing your ire as a Casey fan then you're entitled to your opinion. That's all any of this is you know...opinion.

Like the old saying goes...

We all have one, and they all stink.

However, as an administrator of this forum that you seem to disdain. If you don't enjoy what you read here, don't. No one is forcing you to read it.

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html)

Ok, who gave fffracing the crazy stick?!?


So . . . . can you ride a MotoGP bike fast?  Cuz if not . . . . [laugh]  Besides, comments about Casey's wife are fair game.  She's hawt.   [thumbsup]

Let's play hangman.  I'll give you the first and last letter.   d_ _ _ y  ;)

I'll do it just for kicks, and its whether, not weather.

He's a young man at best.  Casey is still a kid, and his handling of the whole situation shows his inexperience with business decisions.  He's fast and a good racer, but that doesn't make him a man.  There are lots of fast kids in 125's.  They are not men and most of them probably handle media and sponsorship obligations better than Stoner.

One particular definition of 'man' is: a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine.  I don't think he's grown into that definition yet and is a little whiney to be called a man.  I think Marlboro is right to want an apology.  They pay him to fulfill all the obligations of his contract, not just the parts he enjoys. 

i think asking for an apology is a little preemptive cause he didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person.

asking for an apology puts stoner in a bad spot... does he now follow orders like a good boy and apologize on his return
or does he act like a man and say... "i don't need to be TOLD to apologize publicly. Those who were affected by my absence know i care and want to do my best, to those professionals i apologized in person." and then piss off his sponsors

if Marbolo hadn't said that, then he could have publicly apologized and it would have meant something.

preemptive? didn't get a chance? how many months has casey had to communicate with the team in his absence?

WHEN he comes back it's the appropriate time. cause if they dump him before he comes back then make the beast with two backs'em

no, when he left was the appropriate time.  the instant he started missing, or even thought he might start missing, any of his duties as a factory rider.

and, "didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person" -- where do you think he's been rehabbing, the ISS?

IF he is suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as stated... the more rest and less stress of dealing with the factory teams and the sponsors the faster he will feel better or never as CFS can be debillitating.
I don't think they even knew what he was dealing with when he left. so to say.. sorry i'll be out for ... time and not know anything...

I'm sorry, i'm with the idea that supporting the rider in sickness and health is important for a team. not throwing him under a bus when you feel a worded apology was due when the guy didn't even know what was wrong with him. didn't he throw up in his helmet at one race... there is some serious shit going on with him

got it. i just hope he can com eback and be competative.

I think Casey will take at least one win, possibly two, to end the season.  My money would be on Philip Island and Valencia as his most probable victory chances.  To his credit, he's also either masterfully given himself an excuse for not performing, or backed himself into a corner depending on how you look at it.  If he heads to the top and falls off ( or struggles completely ), then he's "rusty" or "still recovering."  If he wins, then he can say he was right and he'll definately shove that down our throat for the next few months. 

I think Casey returns to week in and out podium form and throws barbs at the media for the remainder of the season.  He hates media anyway, so what better way to "get back" at the media than dicing with Jorge/Vale/Dani.

I'm looking forward to next year tbh.  I want to see all these guys give us 18 races and hope they start the year healthy/stay healthy.  Toss in Spies ( maybe ) and Simoncelli (great showing in sbk yesterday ) and we could have a solid spectacle next year.

if he comes back this weekend.  so far all the 'certainty' that he'll be there sounds pretty.. uncertain.

once again, if he was just deign to communicate directly with the world, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Sounds pretty certain as he is back in Europe.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2009/September/sep2809-casey-stoner-to-ride-in-estoril/?&R=EPI-118826 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2009/September/sep2809-casey-stoner-to-ride-in-estoril/?&R=EPI-118826)

Apologise for what? being make the beast with two backsing sick, if he took out Vale during a race because of his illness he would be the worse C#%t in the world.

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/28/stoner_s_return_the_media_feeding_frenzy.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/28/stoner_s_return_the_media_feeding_frenzy.html)

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/09092927.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/09092927.htm)

He just needed a little salt.

he shoulda been hangin with Jimmy Buffet's lost shaker of salt then!

hmmm... still no apology?

Ok, I lost track of who is miffed at Casey and who isn't.

Miffed:  derby, gm2, ducpainter
Not Miffed:  Jester, Raux and the angry, ranting new guy with the crazy stick

What exactly did Stoner do wrong or handle badly (I honestly don't know what it is that bugging you guys)?  He told Ducati the docs told him to take time off and he issued a statement to that effect.  What should he apologize for?

apology?

Hey!    >:(


+1. I'm not going to criticize him for doing what his docs told him to do.

I wasn't talking about you.  I was talking about the angry guy from a page or two page ago that got into it with Nate and told us we weren't allowed to oggle Casey's wife.

I can see how people are upset with him for leaving for three races, but I'm just not sure what they wanted him to do differently.  I'm not stirring the pot here.  I honestly don't know, and am interested to hear what it is that he *should* have done.  

i'm not miffed at him.  i only think that this (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP) was just barely enough communication throughout the whole ordeal.

The way I read things is he told them in the same press release everyone else found out.

That's my problem with it...not that he obviously has a medical problem that required some sort of treatment.

If I'm wrong about his dealings with Ducati on the subject I'll change my position.

I can see that.  Then again, I've figured throughout that if he needs to be stress-free to get better, the less communication the better.  <shrug>  Then again, since he's paid millions of dollars, he should probably have some way of communicating--even minimally--to Ducati and Marlboro while he was absent.  Or tell them that he's definitely going to be incommunicado and that he'll check back in at some appointed time.  Does anyone know whether or not he was talking to Ducati or Marlboro at all?


Yeah, if true, that's not cool at all.  

it's really more than that... if you read about the whole situation, it appears that casey really shuns all of the "duties" that come with being a factory racer (press, promos, junkets, etc). some stories even report that they have to use a body double for casey and superimpose his head for photo shoots because he just can't be bothered. it sounds like both marlboro and ducati have some beef with him for that.

now, add to that casey (reportedly, but believably, if you read between the lines of what suppo has been saying) not consulting with the team prior (or even during)  to his self-imposed three-month hiatus, i'd be a pretty pissed factory and/or sponsor.

the fact that marlboro was throwing around offers of ~10M euros in search of an a-team racer for next year (while casey is still under contract for 2010) should be an indication of both the level of frustration and lack of communication going on between the various parties.

realize also that this put ducati in a very precarious position in that casey effectively upset the entity that covers the operational budget for the entire team.

i don't think he needed to do anything, other than tell -- or hire, then tell -- his PR person to make sure all the people paying him money to race while he was not racing were kept happy and informed.  that would have taken very minimal effort on his part.  instead it seemed that the whole universe was out here wondering what the hell was going on... even bad enough that marlboro was trying to hire someone else.

when your SugarDaddy that pays the majority of your salary ( ie:Marlboro) isn't happy with you for having been left out of the communications route, that deserves an apology. Not to say that it should be public or private, but it would go over better if it was public. What Marlboro did in trying to secure another rider on behalf of Ducati in the absence of their star, is a clear sign to me that he better pony up and do the dance that Marlboro wants him to do and perform well, or they'll look for any and every reason with their high paid lawyers to get him out. Whether Casey should be pissed or not is a secondary thing, because he does get paid to perform certain duties, 1st and foremost is to ride and put that Marlboro banner out there on the track. At this point if he is pist, it should be at Big Daddy, and not at Ducati, but that is my opinion. If he wants to make Big Daddy happier though and settle some unrest and get that monkey off his back, it would be spot on the mark for him to put that Ducati on the podium the rest of this season if he can at all costs.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79103 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79103)

That about covers it.

And for all those out there who doubted Stoner, he has just qualified third for tonight's MotoGP. Thats after 2 months off the bike.

Wow, he puts the Barcode on the podium and says STFU at the same time [clap]

SPOILER ALERT




w00t! Out of shape, out of practice,  podium!
 [clap]

Hope he stays healthy

Maybe he gave it to Vale  ??? wtf

Wow,

This thread seams to be very quiet now.

Like I said, it's all about what happens on the track.

Cheers.

busy work week.

I think we pretty much covered that his handling of the situation was BS and we covered his multiple comeback scenarios be them successful or not, so I'm not sure there is much left to say about this topic.  How about some more pictures of Stoner's wife. 

Its not as if Stoner wasn't top four fast even when he was sick.  He just couldn't pull more than 5-10 laps without dogging it.  To think he's magically going to be slow would be a bit off.  I predicted philip island and valencia as his victory chances.  The whole rusty bit would just be an excuse had he not been recovered fully.  These guys take pretty hefty breaks during winter and are blazing fast within a day when they return.  Time off the bike is irrelevant for riders like these.

I've been searching for that shaker for years now!

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/motorsport/gardner-mystified-by-stoner-illness/2009/10/10/1255019653343.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/motorsport/gardner-mystified-by-stoner-illness/2009/10/10/1255019653343.html)

hmmm... quiet again.

i guess gardner gets a pass cause he's australian.

 ;D

Casey wasn't sick.  The velcro holding on his weiner and funglobes got old and so they kept falling off.  The docs stuck 'em back on, but Casey needed time for the expoxy to set before he could go racing again. 

Happy now, derb?

 [laugh]

and thus rings in Casey's new theme song....King Missle's "Detachable Penis"!!!

Betcha he'll get asked, on camera, about that this weekend.

Casey Stoner Comments at 2009 Australian GP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvrAnVl5W4Y&feature=player_embedded#normal)

Stoner before 09 Philip Island GP

Gardiner or Casey?

Seems Shell hasn't closed any doors. :P

Casey will be asked about G's comment

The Phillip Island GP 2009.

Stoner on pole.

edit by admin

These guys are legends and deserve respect. They don't deserve the ramblings of idiots which have appeared on this thread.

And to summarize on what originally fed the rumor mill (the Italian Press) which many people participated in, I would like to quote another Ducati Legend Troy Bayliss who, when asked by the press this week about a return to motorcycle racing said: "If you believe anything the Italian press says you are a dick head". I guess he would know.

THANK YOU FOR make the beast with two backsING SPOILING IT!....I have not seen the race yet as others may not have yet!

So name calling and a spoiler in one post.

That will get you 24.

24 bonus points?  :)

Oh, I want to play. Stoner will not win the championship this year. Cyrus is a doodoo face.

You're right about the Stoner comment. It's mathematically impossible I believe.

You're too willing.

Takes all the pleasure out of it for me.

Damn you Nate!!!

what?...you aren't going to call him a Hoser and tell him to Take Off Eh?...and then threaten to beat him with your Jelly Donut and empty Elsinore bottles that have mice in them?!?!!?

I'm not Canadian.

but he's in New Hampshire which is close enough....

hmmmm...

I noticed Casey wasn't there.... ;D

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/FREE+VIDEO+Motocross+dei+Campioni+Highlights (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/FREE+VIDEO+Motocross+dei+Campioni+Highlights)

Gday Everyone

From magazine reports and interviews with Casey in Australian M/C News and reports from Australian
television (ONE HD) covering the Moto GP, there are other symptoms he had besides Gastritis and Anemia.

The symptoms were very low sodium levels, low blood pressure and that his heart rate was not increasing properly to meet his body's demands. The last symptom sounded quite serious to me as if his heart wasn't revving out properly! I had never heard that one mentioned before until recently. Has this been reported in Europe and the US? From my reading of the M/C News article, Casey divulged this himself.

If you were Casey you wouldn't let your oponents know how serious the illness was until you recovered and kicked their asses, and that is exactly what he did. Did you see Rossi's face after he won the championship but got beat in the race? He was celebrating of course but did you see when the TV camera caught those "moments"? As Jeremy Burgess said when asked if Rossi was struggling to stay motivated, he answered that Rossi has continued to improve but now has "real competition".

These guys are the elite, they hide their weaknesses and exploit those of their opponents. Underneath the thin veneer of civility lays a ruthless struggle to gain every advantage to win, make no mistake.
Ain't it grand!?!