Want.
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/458-1.jpg)
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/458-2.jpg)
Can someone rich adopt me? I'm (mostly) housebroken.....
Yeah, just saw this in the new issue of Automobile. Best looking new Ferrari model I've seen in a while.
No.
I hate it.
I don't want one terribly badly at all. Not me.
Wouldn't have one under any circumstances unless someone gave it to me or I could somehow afford it. Or I saw one with the keys in it.
Sexy! 8)
If someone gave me one for free, I wouldn't turn it down, (Hint, Hint! ;D )
Drool.
Sex on wheels.
Compared to the 599 at almost $400,000 it is reasonable at a base price $200,000. ( 565 hp )
No room for groceries. :(
The BMW MX-6 for $100,000 has 547 hp and room for groceries.
The all new Porsche Panamera 4 door base model for $100,000 ,400 hp and put the groceries in the back seat. :)
Dolph :)
Quote from: rockaduc on September 06, 2009, 04:40:13 PM
Drool.
Sex on wheels.
+1
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 06, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
Compared to the 599 at almost $400,000 it is reasonable at a base price $200,000. ( 565 hp )
No room for groceries. :(
The BMW MX-6 for $100,000 has 547 hp and room for groceries.
The all new Porsche Panamera 4 door base model for $100,000 ,400 hp and put the groceries in the back seat. :)
Dolph :)
Groceries?
Really?
You look at that and think "Hmmm, I wonder if I could use it to run to the Quickie Mart?"
Quote from: Bun-bun on September 06, 2009, 08:09:16 PMGroceries?
Really?
You look at that and think "Hmmm, I wonder if I could use it to run to the Quickie Mart?"
Maybe for us, this is one of our typical routes to the store. [cheeky]
(http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/Commute.jpg)
Umm yes ill take two to go please ;D
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 06, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
The all new Porsche Panamera 4 door base model for $100,000 ,400 hp and put the groceries in the back seat. :)
My hope is that the rumors are true and VW will kill the Panamera (and Cayenne) at the end of its current life cycle.
Quote from: Bun-bun on September 06, 2009, 08:09:16 PM
+1Groceries?
Really?
You look at that and think "Hmmm, I wonder if I could use it to run to the Quickie Mart?"
If it is going to be my only 4 wheeled vehicle it's got to be able to carry groceries and the dog to the Vet ( course it does have a passenger seat , so the dog could sit there to go to the Vet's ).
I'm leaning more toward the Porsche since it's got back seats and the seats lay flat and there is a rear hatch.
Dolph :)
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
+2 cents
Quote from: Latinbalar on September 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
+2 cents
You could say the same for the Jap bikes compared to a Duc...
:P
Quote from: alfisti on September 07, 2009, 06:18:33 AM
You could say the same for the Jap bikes compared to a Duc...
[thumbsup]
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 06, 2009, 08:53:39 PM
If it is going to be my only 4 wheeled vehicle it's got to be able to carry groceries and the dog to the Vet ( course it does have a passenger seat , so the dog could sit there to go to the Vet's ).
Dolph :)
If that's your only 4 wheeled vehicle, you're doing it wrong. [cheeky]
Quote from: Latinbalar on September 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
+2 cents
glorified camaro or an italian race car?
hmmm...............
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 06, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
Compared to the 599 at almost $400,000 it is reasonable at a base price $200,000. ( 565 hp )
No room for groceries. :(
The BMW MX-6 for $100,000 has 547 hp and room for groceries.
The all new Porsche Panamera 4 door base model for $100,000 ,400 hp and put the groceries in the back seat. :)
Dolph :)
[clap]In other words don't buy groceries buy a 458 & powerbars[clap]
I dunno porsche with 4 doors is still wrong
Additionally can anyone lend me $195,000 I'll pay ya back quick honest!
Beautiful.
Quote from: alfisti on September 07, 2009, 06:18:33 AM
You could say the same for the Jap bikes compared to a Duc.
+1
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 06, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
No room for groceries. :(
The BMW MX-6 for $100,000 has 547 hp and room for groceries.
The all new Porsche Panamera 4 door base model for $100,000 ,400 hp and put the groceries in the back seat. :)
Dolph :)
I used to go grocery shopping on the monster so this is a mute point. Practicality is overrated.
Quote from: pennyrobber on September 07, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
I used to go grocery shopping on the monster so this is a moot point. Practicality is overrated.
Fixed ;D
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 06, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
My hope is that the rumors are true and VW will kill the Panamera (and Cayenne) at the end of its current life cycle.
Why should you care if those models are discontinued ? ???
Dolph :)
Quote from: Latinbalar on September 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
+2 cents
Yea, yea, but they'er not speeeeeecial.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 07, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
Why should you care if those models are discontinued ? ???
Dolph :)
My personal opinion is that Porsche should focus on sports cars, not sedans or SUVs.
It sounds like with the new structure at VW/Audi/Porsche, that has a possibility of happening again.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 07, 2009, 07:55:47 PM
My personal opinion is that Porsche should focus on sports cars, not sedans or SUVs.
It sounds like with the new structure at VW/Audi/Porsche, that has a possibility of happening again.
Porsche still makes the Boxster,Boxster S, Cayman, Cayman S and several variants of the venerable 911 (Carrera S, Carrera 4S, GT2, GT3, (911 Turbo and the Cabriolet version of some of those 911s ).
What makes you think Porsche is not going to continue to focus on their bread and butter 911s and all it's iterations.
They are trying to do what BMW , Maserati, and Mercedes has done and that is to pick up a little bit of the market share of the high end SUV market and same thing with the high end Sedan market like Maserati or Mercedes has.
Dolph :)
Quote from: Latinbalar on September 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
[evil]
In-car C6 ZO6 60-200mph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUhIulNAbBI#normal)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 07, 2009, 08:14:37 PM
Porsche still makes the Boxster,Boxster S, Cayman, Cayman S and several variants of the venerable 911 (Carrera S, Carrera 4S, GT2, GT3, (911 Turbo and the Cabriolet version of some of those 911s ).
What makes you think Porsche is not going to continue to focus on their bread and butter 911s and all it's iterations.
They are trying to do what BMW , Maserati, and Mercedes has done and that is to pick up a little bit of the market share of the high end SUV market and same thing with the high end Sedan market like Maserati or Mercedes has.
Dolph :)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/rumormill-vw-to-axe-porsche-cayenne-and-panamera-after-merger/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/rumormill-vw-to-axe-porsche-cayenne-and-panamera-after-merger/)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/05/report-share-and-share-alike-panamera-platform-may-get-used-el/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/05/report-share-and-share-alike-panamera-platform-may-get-used-el/)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 07, 2009, 08:36:11 PM
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/rumormill-vw-to-axe-porsche-cayenne-and-panamera-after-merger/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/rumormill-vw-to-axe-porsche-cayenne-and-panamera-after-merger/)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/05/report-share-and-share-alike-panamera-platform-may-get-used-el/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/05/report-share-and-share-alike-panamera-platform-may-get-used-el/)
Ok, so it goes away from being a Porsche in 5-7 years so that we can have a 914 Porsche all over again ( 1970-1976 ).
That's real exciting.
Dolph :D
To bring this back on topic....Ferrari seems to be doing okay sticking to sports cars.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 07, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
To bring this back on topic....Ferrari seems to be doing okay sticking to sports cars.
I'm giving up all hope the day there is a Ferrari SUV.... :P
Quote from: Speedbag on September 08, 2009, 03:36:58 AM
I'm giving up all hope the day there is a Ferrari SUV.... :P
(http://bramono.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ferrari-suv2.jpg)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214479/ferrari_suv.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214479/ferrari_suv.html)
I kind of like that and not sure if I should.
Anything more recent than 21 months ago?
Quote from: NAKID on September 08, 2009, 05:15:24 AM
Anything more recent than 21 months ago?
I couldn't find anything.
My guess is when the global economy tanked, they stopped working on it.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 08, 2009, 05:21:54 AM
I couldn't find anything.
My guess is when the global economy tanked, they stopped working on it.
As well they should.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 08, 2009, 05:23:05 AM
As well they should.
I do see it as somewhat of a sell out, but if it makes money to save to company... You gotta do what you gotta do.
Where would Ducati be if they tried to stick with just the SBK line?
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2009, 05:29:08 AM
I do see it as somewhat of a sell out, but if it makes money to save to company... You gotta do what you gotta do.
Where would Ducati be if they tried to stick with just the SBK line?
Unlike Ducati, both Ferarri and Porsche are part of huge auto groups (Fiat & VW, respectively). As such, they don't need to diversify their lines for the group to remain profitable.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 08, 2009, 05:33:15 AM
Unlike Ducati, both Ferarri and Porsche are part of huge auto groups (Fiat & VW, respectively). As such, they don't need to diversify their lines for the group to remain profitable.
So it is ok for one division to leach off another as opposed to try to adapt to market demands, and try to maintain their own profitability?
If you are basing your opinion on maintaining heritage, what would your thoughts be if Ferrari were to revert to manufacturing farm equipment?
Hey - this looks like fun:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/458crashcontest/ (http://www.wreckedexotics.com/458crashcontest/)
$500 to the person who guesses when an owner can crash the first 458! [laugh] [popcorn]
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2009, 07:06:49 AM
So it is ok for one division to leach off another as opposed to try to adapt to market demands, and try to maintain their own profitability?
If you are basing your opinion on maintaining heritage, what would your thoughts be if Ferrari were to revert to manufacturing farm equipment?
You mean Lamborghini, right? ???
Or did Ferrari ever make tractors?
And Lambo still does, btw.
Quote from: swampduc on September 08, 2009, 07:31:32 AM
You mean Lamborghini, right? ???
Or did Ferrari ever make tractors?
And Lambo still does, btw.
Ferrari, like Lambo, started with tractors. I think they may still be making them, as well.
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2009, 07:41:54 AM
Ferrari, like Lambo, started with tractors. I think they may still be making them, as well.
Ferrari tractors is a different company. Scuderia Ferrari never made tractors. Enzo worked at CMN and then Alfa before starting his own company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari)
Lambo still makes tractors.
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2009, 04:57:58 AM
(http://bramono.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ferrari-suv2.jpg)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214479/ferrari_suv.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214479/ferrari_suv.html)
Well, that's it then....
Quote from: Bick on September 08, 2009, 07:06:49 AM
So it is ok for one division to leach off another as opposed to try to adapt to market demands, and try to maintain their own profitability?
If you are basing your opinion on maintaining heritage, what would your thoughts be if Ferrari were to revert to manufacturing farm equipment?
I'm suggesting not entering a shrinking niche market (mid or full size luxury SUV) to prop up the sports car line as well as maintaining the heritage.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 07, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
To bring this back on topic....Ferrari seems to be doing okay sticking to sports cars.
They have their F1 racing to support there image of a road going race car and they are pretty much hand built , they only build a fraction of the cars that Porsche does and they charge at least double or triple the price of most Porsches.
They will always , at least for the foreseeable future have a mystic and image that no other car maker will have.
There should always be a market for the 911 as long as they leave the engine in the rear and don't change the profile that has been with us since the mid '60s.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 08, 2009, 09:18:54 PM
There should always be a market for the 911 as long as they leave the engine in the rear and don't change the profile that has been with us since the mid '60s.
Dolph :)
....Porsche will keep making it as long as they're making $28k per car.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-porsche-profits-28000-per-car.html (http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-porsche-profits-28000-per-car.html)
Ferrari will never make an suv unless the FIA mandates them for F1 racing. If hell froze over, and they did, I can promise you it wouldn't look like an Audi Q7 with a 612 front clip photoshopped on.
A sexy $200,000 Ferrari 458 Italia?!? I'll take one!
(& have the groceries shipped to my house!)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 06, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
My hope is that the rumors are true and VW will kill the Panamera (and Cayenne) at the end of its current life cycle.
If that happens, and I don't think it will, then its time for me to look for a new job. The Cayenne makes up half the cars we sell and service. The Panamera will open up a huge new market for us, I think most of our allotment for 2010 has been pre sold already. Porsche is a car manufacturer and they will build what sells.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 08, 2009, 09:18:54 PM
There should always be a market for the 911 as long as they leave the engine in the rear and don't change the profile that has been with us since the mid '60s.
Dolph :)
I think the 911 is a dated design and would be a much better car if they made it a mid engine. They would have to lose the rear seats if you can call them that but they could keep the same profile. In my opinion the Cayman is a much better driving car and Porsche would win more races if they had a mid engine GT3 type car.
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/cache/allcarwallpapers.com/1024x768/porsche-porsche-cayman-s-porsche-design-edition-1-11142.jpg)
Sorry, had to.... ;D
Quote from: Latinbalar on September 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
Screw it for the money the newer corvettes give you the most bang for your buck. All of the ferrari's are a pain to drive around town. The Vette is comfy and then the claws come out when you stomp on the gas. And much much cheaper.
+2 cents
But then you have to associate with people like this: [cheeky]
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(http://images.craigslist.org/3mc3o63l45O05Qb5P2994f00f9298f6d01622.jpg)
Just moved back to the best neighborhood in the world, the MARINA, and am looking to meet some new friends with whom I can HANG. I appreciate the finer things in life….. think:
Gucci loafers
Paper Denim (though sometimes I'll drop Seven Jeans on some fools)
Ralph Lauren Black Label
Sea Smoke
Chicken Paillard
2/20
Toro
Mercedes S-Class all day. Valet only.
What I am looking for is people to drink with me during the week. I like hanging out at Balboa Cafe (I have my own table, and the servers know me by name), and sometimes by the fire at Matrix. I will pay for all the drinks and lamb pops with my Platinum. I just need some friends to hang out with and listen to me. I mostly like to talk about myself and my possessions, but will occasionally be willing to let you talk, but usually only if you talke about me, or how cool I am.
[laugh]
Quote from: Desmostro on September 09, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
But then you have to associate with people like this: [cheeky]
Wanted: Friends!!! - m4mm - 32 (marina / cow hollow)
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/stp/1358334612.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/stp/1358334612.html)
(http://images.craigslist.org/3mc3o63l45O05Qb5P2994f00f9298f6d01622.jpg)
Just moved back to the best neighborhood in the world, the MARINA, and am looking to meet some new friends with whom I can HANG. I appreciate the finer things in life….. think:
Gucci loafers
Paper Denim (though sometimes I'll drop Seven Jeans on some fools)
Ralph Lauren Black Label
Sea Smoke
Chicken Paillard
2/20
Toro
Mercedes S-Class all day. Valet only.
What I am looking for is people to drink with me during the week. I like hanging out at Balboa Cafe (I have my own table, and the servers know me by name), and sometimes by the fire at Matrix. I will pay for all the drinks and lamb pops with my Platinum. I just need some friends to hang out with and listen to me. I mostly like to talk about myself and my possessions, but will occasionally be willing to let you talk, but usually only if you talke about me, or how cool I am.
Thats pretty funny actually. I have a customer who is exactly like that.
Quote from: NAKID on September 09, 2009, 09:22:14 AM
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/cache/allcarwallpapers.com/1024x768/porsche-porsche-cayman-s-porsche-design-edition-1-11142.jpg)
Sorry, had to.... ;D
We had one of those on the lot for awhile. Very expensive for a Cayman but DAMN!! If I was in the market thats the car I would want.
Exactly. GORGEOUS car, but yes, much more expensive than a regular Cayman S. The one I saw in person I think was $90K!!
Quote from: NAKID on September 09, 2009, 09:46:41 AM
Exactly. GORGEOUS car, but yes, much more expensive than a regular Cayman S. The one I saw in person I think was $90K!!
That sounds about right iirc.
Quote from: Ducaholic on September 09, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
If that happens, and I don't think it will, then its time for me to look for a new job. The Cayenne makes up half the cars we sell and service. The Panamera will open up a huge new market for us, I think most of our allotment for 2010 has been pre sold already. Porsche is a car manufacturer and they will build what sells.
Isn't the Porsche Panamera destined to be sold in China? IIRC, Porsche is viewing the Panamera as a key to a foothold in the Chinese luxury car market. That's likely why they chose to debut it at the Shanghai motor show last spring.
The high-performing Panamera isn't going to 'devalue' the Porsche brand. And as Ducaholic (correctly) noted, the Cayenne is a popular vehicle. The profits from this relatively high-volume SUV help pay for the development of the flagship Porsche sports cars. I think the Panamera is going to be a strong seller for Porsche, and I hope its profits hlep fund the development of the next generations of 911, Cayman/Boxster, and also pay for Porsche's racing efforts.
Ducati is a good analogy - profits from the high-volume Monster subsidize the development costs of the lower-volume Ducati supersport bikes like the 848 + 1198.
Meh. Chop the top a bit. The windows are a little out of proportion with the rest of the car. I love Dino's, 360's & F40/F50's. Most of Ferrari designs are really nice, but only a few really do it for me. Mechanically they rock obviously, I would never turn down a Ferrari that some one wanted to give me - even the 400.
Meh. Cancelled my order today (like I had one placed to begin with [roll]).
The stupid car is saddled with one of those flappy-paddle gear boxes. Nevermind.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 09, 2009, 02:03:01 PM
Meh. Cancelled my order today (like I had one placed to begin with [roll]).
The stupid car is saddled with one of those flappy-paddle gear boxes. Nevermind.
yeah, but ferrari does flappy-paddle gear boxes right. (read: they're not slushboxes)
Quote from: derby on September 09, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
yeah, but ferrari does flappy-paddle gear boxes right. (read: they're not slushboxes)
Very true.
But the classic gated manual has to be an option for the faithful.
Quote from: Speedbag on September 09, 2009, 03:05:28 PM
But the classic gated manual has to be an option for the faithful.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Quote from: Ducaholic on September 09, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
I think the 911 is a dated design and would be a much better car if they made it a mid engine. They would have to lose the rear seats if you can call them that but they could keep the same profile. In my opinion the Cayman is a much better driving car and Porsche would win more races if they had a mid engine GT3 type car.
I believe the 550 was a mid engine car the was homologated for the road and racing.
They sure won a lot of races with the 917 !.....1200 hp, mid engine, turbo charged.
Mark Donahue set a number of track speed records with that car , like 240 mph in it's day.
Lest we forget the venerable GT1 that won the 24 hours of Le Mans in it's 1st attempt as a mid engine car.
Dolph :)
Quote from: Ducaholic on September 09, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
If that happens, and I don't think it will, then its time for me to look for a new job. The Cayenne makes up half the cars we sell and service. The Panamera will open up a huge new market for us, I think most of our allotment for 2010 has been pre sold already. Porsche is a car manufacturer and they will build what sells.
If that is the case , I guess I probably won't be getting a Panamera the 1st year.
Better get on the list for as soon as possible.
Dolph :)
Quote from: Ducaholic on September 09, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
I think the 911 is a dated design and would be a much better car if they made it a mid engine. They would have to lose the rear seats if you can call them that but they could keep the same profile. In my opinion the Cayman is a much better driving car and Porsche would win more races if they had a mid engine GT3 type car.
Remember the fuss the Porsche Pyles made when the 911 went from an air cooled engine to the present day water cooled one ?
They said it ruined the sound that made the 911 partly what it was about.
In my opinion I'd like to see a mid engine 911.
Dolph...... :)
Quote from: Desmostro on September 09, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
But then you have to associate with people like this: [cheeky]
Wanted: Friends!!! - m4mm - 32 (marina / cow hollow)
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/stp/1358334612.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/stp/1358334612.html)
(http://images.craigslist.org/3mc3o63l45O05Qb5P2994f00f9298f6d01622.jpg)
Just moved back to the best neighborhood in the world, the MARINA, and am looking to meet some new friends with whom I can HANG. I appreciate the finer things in life….. think:
Gucci loafers
Paper Denim (though sometimes I'll drop Seven Jeans on some fools)
Ralph Lauren Black Label
Sea Smoke
Chicken Paillard
2/20
Toro
Mercedes S-Class all day. Valet only.
What I am looking for is people to drink with me during the week. I like hanging out at Balboa Cafe (I have my own table, and the servers know me by name), and sometimes by the fire at Matrix. I will pay for all the drinks and lamb pops with my Platinum. I just need some friends to hang out with and listen to me. I mostly like to talk about myself and my possessions, but will occasionally be willing to let you talk, but usually only if you talke about me, or how cool I am.
I've had 13 Porsches and never hung out with any other Porsche types. I wouldn't like being around the person described in this post.
I like fast bikes and fast cars and I like to go fast. I like to road race.......me against the road ...or against some other person willing to race.
It's like me and my " R ."
I get on it and go ride by myself and usually never even talk to anybody when I'm on it and only about 5 people outside this Forum know I even have it.
It's my thing and it doesn't make me better than other riders ( except those that don't ride Ducatis ). ;D
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 10, 2009, 07:09:57 PM
Remember the fuss the Porsche Pyles made when the 911 went from an air cooled engine to the present day water cooled one ?
True. Going to the water cooled engine, the 911 did seem to loose a lot of the character & soul, but how could they compete in the market by staying air-cooled?
Quote from: DoubleEagle on September 10, 2009, 07:09:57 PM
In my opinion I'd like to see a mid engine 911.
That would make it a Cayman, wouldn't it? ;D
911 = rear-engine
Quote from: Mad Duc on September 09, 2009, 11:57:35 AM
Meh. Chop the top a bit. The windows are a little out of proportion with the rest of the car. I love Dino's, 360's & F40/F50's. Most of Ferrari designs are really nice, but only a few really do it for me. Mechanically they rock obviously, I would never turn down a Ferrari that some one wanted to give me - even the 400.
This has been about 8-9 years ago , whenever the 360 1st came out .
I was talking to the Service Mgr. of the Porsche- Ferrari- Maserati Dept., I had my Porsche in for something and I remember him telling me the 1st service for the 360 Ferrari was like $3200.
I used to go back in the Service area and I saw more late model Ferraris with no engines in them that were in for service , complete dashes out from where the Techs were looking for electrical gremlins.
Back then the shop rate was $120 per hour.
I was lucky to have a great relationship with the GM at the Dealership and I had bought over 20 cars from the same Salesman over a 15 year time frame , so one Saturday the Salesman gave me the keys to a Ferrari 465 GT that the Factory had dropped at the Dealership for a couple of days for Demo use.
I got to semi abuse it for an hour out on some nice two lane low traffic roads.
I can tell you, if some one gave you a Ferrari , more than likely it would eat your wallet with insurance and maintenance costs.
Dolph :)
Quote from: Bick on September 10, 2009, 07:29:13 PM
True. Going to the water cooled engine, the 911 did seem to loose a lot of the character & soul, but how could they compete in the market by staying air-cooled?
That would make it a Cayman, wouldn't it? ;D
911 = rear-engine
It was done to meet emissions .
Dolph :)