Was going to wait for someone else to post this but looked as though not many know at this point in time.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dead-12-injured-in-army-base-shooting/story-e6freuy9-1225794899622 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dead-12-injured-in-army-base-shooting/story-e6freuy9-1225794899622)
:'(
Hope none of your loved ones are involved.
if this turns out to be what i think it is. there are going to be some serious reviews of security clearances, weapon access and religious leanings in the military.
Quote from: Raux on November 05, 2009, 12:57:07 PM
if this turns out to be what i think it is. there are going to be some serious reviews of security clearances, weapon access and religious leanings in the military.
Not likely
Interesting
A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional â€" an Army psychologist or psychiatrist
Scumbag piece of shit cocksucking coward. And a make the beast with two backsing officer to boot.
^
Yes, exactly.
A very sad day. :'(
with one exception.
Quote from: trouble on November 05, 2009, 03:09:15 PM
A very sad day. :'(
with one exception.
That he's dead? True, but now we'll never know why. The families always want to know why...
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 05, 2009, 03:11:45 PMbut now we'll never know why.
I got a pretty make the beast with two backsing good idea.
:'(
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 05, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
That he's dead? True, but now we'll never know why. The families always want to know why...
He's not dead, he is in custody but they aren't saying much yet at all.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 05, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
I got a pretty make the beast with two backsing good idea.
What ch'ya got? This shit just breaks my head. Suicide's bad enough, but to kill your compatriots? And a shrink to boot?
His last name? Maybe.
make the beast with two backs me to tears! God Damnit, I just don't get it. This is awful. ??? ??? ???
LA
dammit...
The gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was wounded multiple times at the scene but was captured alive and was in stable condition, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, said at a press conference late Thursday
From MSNBC
Looks like you'll get an answer Chris.
They should've let the SOB bleed out...slowly
Tragic.
(And reading the CNN 'comments' section reminds me why I try and never do that... [roll])
:'( squared
Ahh, for some reason I thought I had heard he was shot and killed at the scene...
I heard the same thing at first too. I think the media needs to get the stories right before they actually report it.
I heard he was dead on the 6 o'clock news .
Also heard he was stressed about his impending deployment to Iraq.
With a name like his it makes you wonder ? [evil]
Wasn't the soldier that killed fellow American soldiers in Kuwait or Iraq early on in the Iraq war , didn't he have an Arab name ?
Dolph :)
Virginia Tech? again? :'(
Quote from: Holden on November 05, 2009, 06:43:30 PM
Virginia Tech? again? :'(
I remember a shooting a VT but how are you trying to compare that to this ?
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on November 05, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
I remember a shooting a VT but how are you trying to compare that to this ?
Dolph
Fellow alum, apparently.
Even if it's entirely coincidence, it can't be good for the school (by association)...
Quote from: Holden on November 05, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Fellow alum, apparently.
Even if it's entirely coincidence, it can't be good for the school (by association)...
Strange coincidence......bet there's some relationship somewhere along the line. [evil]
Dolph
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 05, 2009, 05:35:35 PM
Ahh, for some reason I thought I had heard he was shot and killed at the scene...
You did. He was dead for a while, now he isn't ???
he is American muslim of Jordanian parents.
Islam teaches religion comes before nations.
guess we know now that's certainly how he felt
i heard initial reports there were two more gunmen (but now just the one). also the reports now show he lived with another muslim man (maybe his cousin?).
Just heard on CNN he screamed God is great as he shot.
LA
So he's supposedly stressed about deployment because of the horror stories he's heard from returning soldiers (because they tell him, cause he's a shrink).
So, escape the horrors of war by shooting people at home?
They're also saying he was upset that he got grief for being a Muslim. If so, he certainly did every other Muslim no favors by his actions.
What an incredibly terrible situation.
I heard through a news outlet that the FBI was investigating him but hadn't acted yet obviously .
Something he may have posted on the net w, regards to suicide bombing.
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on November 06, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
I heard through a news outlet that the FBI was investigating him but hadn't acted yet obviously .
Something he may have posted on the net w, regards to suicide bombing.
Dolph
i haven't seen or heard any news about this guy alleging he was some sort of terrorist/sleeper cell agent, etc.
not saying it hasn't been reported, just that i haven't seen it. if you have links to articles, post 'em up.
i have, however, seen this reported many places:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect.muslim/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect.muslim/index.html)
taunted because he was a muslim.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-shootings7-2009nov07,0,1269467.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-shootings7-2009nov07,0,1269467.story)
A senior U.S. counter-terrorism official said Thursday night that the Army and FBI were looking into whether Hasan had previously come to the attention of federal law enforcement officials as the suspected author of inflammatory Internet comments likening suicide bombers to heroic soldiers who give their lives to save others.
Quote from: derby on November 06, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
not saying it hasn't been reported, just that i haven't seen it. if you have links to articles, post 'em up.
then it's not DMF official. [cheeky]
Quote from: derby on November 06, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
taunted because he was a muslim.
Yeah, That's a good reason to murder 13 of your fellow soldiers (used loosely). Scumbag Coward Officer.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 06, 2009, 07:20:45 PM
Yeah, That's a good reason to murder 13 of your fellow soldiers (used loosely). Scumbag Coward Officer.
by no means am i excusing his actions.
IMO he turned. just like the muslim chaplain at Guantanamo.
I'm sure the media will tell us shortly that the fact that he murdered 13 soldiers and his being Muslim are purely coincidental.
Quote from: Dannyboy on November 07, 2009, 02:01:52 AM
I'm sure the media will tell us shortly that the fact that he murdered 13 soldiers and his being Muslim are purely coincidental.
the media is already making him out to be a victim of racial harassment. go figure. having a true terrorist in the US would go against the media's agenda of saying there is no threat and we shouldn't be fighting against terrorism.
updated 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The alleged Fort Hood shooter apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there.
Whether the Fort Hood shooter associated with the hijackers is something the FBI will probably look into, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
The family of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 and wounded 29 at the Texas military base, held his mother's funeral at the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., on May 31, 2001, according to her obituary in the Roanoke Times newspaper.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33693222/ns/us_news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33693222/ns/us_news)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2009, 03:06:21 PM
The family of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 and wounded 29 at the Texas military base, held his mother's funeral at the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., on May 31, 2001, according to her obituary in the Roanoke Times newspaper.
What's the point of this?
Quote from: trouble on November 08, 2009, 03:50:05 PM
What's the point of this?
I guess you have to ask the AP. My guess would be that it ties him to the same mosque.
Quote from: trouble on November 08, 2009, 03:50:05 PM
What's the point of this?
It's fairly obvious if you are willing to connect the dots.
i still cannot believe they are questioning whether to call this guy a terrorist.
hmmmmm.... he did create a whole lot of terror on that base :-\
Quote from: Raux on November 08, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
i still cannot believe they are questioning whether to call this guy a terrorist.
Because he might not be, definitionally, a terrorist.
Dictionary.com defines terrorist as:
terâ‹...rorâ‹...ist
â€,â€,/ˈtÉ›rÉ™rɪst/ [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
â€"noun
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
â€"adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
Origin:
1785â€"95; terror + -ist; cf. F terroriste
Related forms:
terâ‹...rorâ‹...isâ‹...tic, adjective
Fits the bill IMO
Which part of that, exactly?
I'm not defending anything he did, I'm just saying that calling him a "terrorist," as commonly defined, is a claim not yet substantiated by anything I've heard or read.
Murderer? Yup.
Crazy? Possibly.
Terrorist? Let's wait till we know a bit more.
Quote from: zarn02 on November 08, 2009, 08:48:02 PM
Which part of that, exactly?
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
That's overly broad.
That includes everyone from clowns to musicians to IRS agents.
Quote from: zarn02 on November 08, 2009, 09:00:43 PM
That's overly broad.
That includes everyone from clowns to musicians to IRS agents.
Ok then, how about a Terrorist act.
S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
Ok then, how about a Terrorist act.
S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)
Okay, better.
Leaving aside that he did not predominantly attack civilians, we'll address the last part.
Can you cite a source where he states that his actions were "political or religious or ideological in nature," or are we just guessing?
To reiterate, I'm not defending anything, I'm just sick and tired of every goddamn thing being labeled "terrorism." He could simply be a guy who lost his head, and is therefore a garden-variety spree killer. It wouldn't make what he did any better or worse.
Quote from: zarn02 on November 08, 2009, 09:08:24 PM
Okay, better.
Leaving aside that he did not predominantly attack civilians, we'll address the last part.
Can you cite a source where he states that his actions were "political or religious or ideological in nature," or are we just guessing?
To reiterate, I'm not defending anything, I'm just sick and tired of every goddamn thing being labeled "terrorism." He could simply be a guy who lost his head, and is therefore a garden-variety spree killer. It wouldn't make what he did any better or worse.
I'm not labeling shit. I was just looking up definitions.
I could give a make the beast with two backs what they call him.
He is a Scumbag piece of shit Coward.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2009, 09:13:13 PM
I'm not labeling shit. I was just looking up definitions.
I could give a make the beast with two backs what they call him.
He is a Scumbag piece of shit Coward.
AMEN
Quote from: zarn02 on November 08, 2009, 08:48:02 PM
Which part of that, exactly?
I'm not defending anything he did, I'm just saying that calling him a "terrorist," as commonly defined, is a claim not yet substantiated by anything I've heard or read.
[roll] If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, and acts like a rat, is it still a rat?
Quote from: cduarte on November 09, 2009, 03:26:13 AM
[roll] If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, and acts like a rat, is it still a rat?
i suppose that depends on how you define a rat.
i personally feel that many people will never see beyond that fact that the attacker was a muslim and that this incident is possibly too complex to be defined in such a simple manner.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 08, 2009, 09:13:13 PM
I'm not labeling shit. I was just looking up definitions.
I could give a make the beast with two backs what they call him.
He is a Scumbag piece of shit Coward.
Maybe this is not the best time to argue about definitions and terms used. I don't see how an act of violence directed
at the military is terrorism. I also can't see the guy as a Coward either. He likely knew what was going to happen to him when he started shooting. He had to expect to die.
I do think the people that he hurt the most, besides the ones he shot and those that loved them, are Muslim Americans and American's of mid-eastern heritage. Damn fool.
Quote from: derby on November 09, 2009, 04:13:40 AM
i personally feel that many people will never see beyond that fact that the attacker was a muslim and that this incident is possibly too complex to be defined in such a simple manner.
What should they be looking for? The meaning of life according to "derby".
It's not complex at all. He was/is a (carrer) officer in the US Army. He betrayed an oath, among
other things. He was tormented by all the war stories the young troops told him about. He didn't
"want" to deploy. (He's a pussy)
He murdered and "Terrorized" a bunch of innocent folks. He is a make the beast with two backsing Coward, who just happens to be a Muslim.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 09, 2009, 08:38:02 AM
Maybe this is not the best time to argue about definitions and terms used. I don't see how an act of violence directed
at the military is terrorism. I also can't see the guy as a Coward either.
Don't even make the beast with two backsing get me started on answering that question. Best for you to put the
pipe down and step away from the keyboard.
he is as all terrorists are... someone who uses violence to make his views/agenda/goals a reality.
regardless of religion/political leanings, he used terror to get his point across. he's a terrorist.
now regarding his religion, all indications from witnesses to his life prior to this are saying he made a choice, religion over country, extremism over pacificism.
so, an extremist, muslim, terrorist. pretty easy to figure out. you don't have to be part of Al Queda to be one.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 09, 2009, 08:38:02 AM
I don't see how an act of violence directed at the military is terrorism.
That has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 09, 2009, 08:50:52 AM
That has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.
It is not an idiotic statement. Just check a few post up. Terrorism was long ago was defined as violent acts against civilians which are intended to create terror among the general population. The word is often misused in the press so now the definition has become unclear and has been used to describe nearly any violent act.
And oh yeah don't get so upset at my posts, it won't do your heart any good. I know that your pissed off and so am I. We are on the same side and it silly to argue semantics now.
^^ There were make the beast with two backsing civilians at the bldg that day. We are not at war in Texas.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 09, 2009, 08:39:01 AM
What should they be looking for? The meaning of life according to "derby".
It's not complex at all. He was/is a (carrer) officer in the US Army. He betrayed an oath, among
other things. He was tormented by all the war stories the young troops told him about. He didn't
"want" to deploy. (He's a pussy)
i don't disagree with you at all here.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 09, 2009, 08:39:01 AM
He murdered and "Terrorized" a bunch of innocent folks. He is a make the beast with two backsing Coward, who just happens to be a Muslim.
but don't think using a literal definition of "terrorist" (that, by the way, would fit your typical gradeschool bully) is going to help the overall situation.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 09, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
It is not an idiotic statement. Just check a few post up. Terrorism was long ago was defined as violent acts against civilians which are intended to create terror among the general population. The word is often misused in the press so now the definition has become unclear and has been used to describe nearly any violent act.
so the bombers who attacked the marine barracks in Lebanon were not terrorists? the hijacker who killed the servicemember and dumped his body on the tarmac was not a terrorist? the hijackers who took a plane into the Pentagon were not terrorists?
just checking.
IB4TL. [popcorn]
Quote from: derby on November 09, 2009, 09:05:11 AM
but don't think using a literal definition of "terrorist" (that, by the way, would fit your typical gradeschool bully) is going to help the overall situation.
So what would genius? What will help the fact that this worthless, piece of shit, scumbag cocksuker,
murdered 13 innocent people (who aren't allowed to arm themselves on post, by the way).
Who happens to be a muslim.
Quote from: Raux on November 09, 2009, 09:05:17 AM
so the bombers who attacked the marine barracks in Lebanon were not terrorists? the hijacker who killed the servicemember and dumped his body on the tarmac was not a terrorist? the hijackers who took a plane into the Pentagon were not terrorists?
just checking.
To be honest they wouldn't. Neither would be the attack at the Little Big Horn even though the solder's bodies were mutilated or thousands or horrific acts of violence that involve the military. The attack on the world trade center was, as was the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the attach at 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich.
^^ You leave me speechless. :-X
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 09, 2009, 09:11:12 AM
So what would genius? What will help the fact that this worthless, piece of shit, scumbag cocksuker,
murdered 13 innocent people (who aren't allowed to arm themselves on post, by the way).
Who happens to be a muslim.
you can't see how characterizing this as terrorism vs fratricide may affect other muslim soldiers in our military?
if the guy had been catholic, or methodist, or buddhist or ???, would everybody be so quick to throw out the terrorist label? i don't think so.
how do you characterize other cases of fratricide like, for example, the murder of seaman august provost at camp pendleton.
Quote from: kopfjäger on November 09, 2009, 09:27:08 AM
^^ You leave me speechless. :-X
Good, we can then offer a moment of silence for those we recently lost to a pointless and violent act.
Quote from: derby on November 09, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
you can't see how characterizing this as terrorism vs fratricide may affect other muslim soldiers in our military?
if the guy had been catholic, or methodist, or buddhist or ???, would everybody be so quick to throw out the terrorist label? i don't think so.
Nothing can be done about that fact. You know we are at war.
I sure as make the beast with two backs hope so.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 09, 2009, 09:19:16 AM
The attack on the world trade center was, as was the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the attach at 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich.
The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building housed 14 federal agencies, so no, the targets were not civilians...
America is not a war with the catholic, methodist, buddhist, Hindi, Baptist... America is at war with Muslim extremists. Afghanist was ruled by Muslim extremists that allowed training camps to flourish and provide training to the hijackers, that some are calling non-terrorists, fly a plane into the Pentagon. Al Queda, AQI, and so many other groups have waged war on non-muslim cultures, an some muslim cultures who aren't extreme enough, for some time now.
This could have been labeled fratecide IF it had been anything other than a muslim extremist commiting the act. sorry, but i for one think every muslim in the military should have their files at least reviewed. they should not be pulled out of the ranks, but if military intelligence doesn't at least review those people... we are just waiting for it to happen again.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 09, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building housed 14 federal agencies, so no, the targets were not civilians...
You are correct about the 14 federal agencies, but as a civilian federal employee I can testify that those attacked were also civilians.
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 09, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building housed 14 federal agencies, so no, the targets were not civilians...
Civilians work for federal agencies as well as military personnel.
Don't forget the daycare center that was in the building. I would say children are civilians.
Quote from: alfisti on November 09, 2009, 09:58:43 AM
Civilians work for federal agencies as well as military personnel.
Don't forget the daycare center that was in the building. I would say children are civilians.
then the guy last week was a terrorist.. he killed a DoD civilian.
Think of it however you want. There are those who believe it was a terrorist act and those that refuse that belief. It doesn't change the fact that the guy, whether he meets your definition of a terrorist of not, is a POS scumbag COWARD for murdering unarmed people, military or not...
Quote from: Mr. Exact on November 09, 2009, 10:25:41 AM
Think of it however you want. There are those who believe it was a terrorist act and those that refuse that belief. It doesn't change the fact that the guy, whether he meets your definition of a terrorist of not, is a POS scumbag COWARD for murdering unarmed people, military or not...
+11tyb
Seems like we are all in full agreement on this point.