Thursday, a City by the Lake lost it's hope for all the years of joy and happiness that a King brought and might have brought in the future to it's bedridden masses yearning for more than a Football Team that has been an embarrassment to them for years and a Baseball Team that yields little hope for the sweet taste of Victory so long missing in the City by the Lake.
Good Bye Le Bron ...............you Bastard.
Dolph
He busted his ass for 7yrs. Time to move on where he can win. ;)
Meh. :-\
I understand your frustration DE, but kopf is right. Still too bad it had to be Miami.
Quote from: jebus tristos on July 08, 2010, 09:13:39 PM
I understand your frustration DE, but kopf is right. Still too bad it had to be Miami.
Better the Heat than the Knicks. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 08, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
He busted his ass for 7yrs. Time to move on where he can win. ;)
Better one man wins and a whole town looses ?
Dolph
Yes. Like I said, he gave 7yrs. He needs to move where he can win.
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 08, 2010, 10:07:24 PM
Yes. Like I said, he gave 7yrs. He needs to move where he can win.
There's no guarantee he's going to win at Miami .
He could have stayed in Cleveland another 3 years as young as he is .
But Miami does have 2 pretty good players .
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 08, 2010, 10:16:02 PM
There's no guarantee he's going to win at Miami .
But Miami does have 2 pretty good players .
The computer has already picked 66/16. (?)
He would not get those odds with the Cavs.
Dan Gilbert sounded like a bitter girlfriend after a rough breakup... [roll]
Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism Video: 2nd Attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=related#normal)
;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 08, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
The computer has already picked 66/16. (?)
He would not get those odds with the Cavs.
He couldn't? The Cavs won 61 games last year and then his punk ass quit in the playoffs. make the beast with two backs him for how he went about this. I understand wanting to move on but don't make the beast with two backsing kill the hopes of your home area on national make the beast with two backsing tv where he basically sucked his own dick for an hour and a half. The Cavs did everything they could to help him and were going to get Flynn from Minnesota to help at point. If you ask me, his all important legacy will be nothing if he has to have Dwade and CB to win. Plus you can't win with 3 guys no matter who they are. There is something to be said for sticking with a team (and this was LB's hometown team) and winning championships because you are that good. Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic- all these guys did this. Lebron will never be able to say that.
I think JB put it best- it sucks for Cleveland but it also sucks for all NBA fans because we'll never get to see the same Lebron or Dwade where they're the man. Neither of them will win a MVP as long as they play together because the points and touches just won't be there. Still wondering how this is going to work and what scrubs Miami is going to put around them.
Krolik-
It might not mean anything to you but Cleveland is going to be devastated by this. It's a town already on the brink of ruin and this could be the straw. I'm thinking we'll see the Cavaliers move to Columbus sometime in the next five years.
Pip-
To me, Dan Gilbert sounded like a guy who stood behind someone, spent millions of dollars to help him win only to have him quit and then leave. How would you feel? I think we're all going to find out that Lebron is not who we thought he was.
So make the beast with two backs you Lebron your a make the beast with two backsing asshole
make the beast with two backs it- Ohio still has the Buckeyes and TP who are poised to seriously make the beast with two backs up some teams this year.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 09, 2010, 03:52:37 AM
make the beast with two backs it- Ohio still has the Buckeyes and TP who are poised to seriously make the beast with two backs up some teams this year.
I'll be willing to take that bet with you any day.
OSU will implode per usual if they make it to a BCS game.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 09, 2010, 03:52:37 AM
Pip-
To me, Dan Gilbert sounded like a guy who stood behind someone, spent millions of dollars to help him win only to have him quit and then leave. How would you feel? I think we're all going to find out that Lebron is not who we thought he was.
I completely understand this sentiment, but Lebron also gave the Cavs 7 good years, a shot at the NBA Finals, a run this year, and from what I read scored 48 percent of the team's points. Not to mention all of the revenue generated by people who just wanted to see "King" James. Y'all went from 40-60% capacity to selling out damn near every game. Hotels, nightlife, restaurants and just about everything else benefited from him... He brought that franchise a ridiculous amount of money, and more importantly, attention. Dan Gilbert sounds like he's forgotten this. I realize he sunk money and time into Lebron, but it was more than returned. Saying "Cleveland will win a title before Lebron does" is ridiculous and immature, and Gilbert sounded more like a scorned fan than a disappointed owner. That being said, I think LBJ's presser/special was narcissistic, self-important, and he is a shameless self promoter... I'm not a FAN of Lebron, I just find him interesting, and a solid player. I feel really bad for Cleveland, and I really would have liked to have seen him stay, but it was a business deal. Had he sucked it up this year, Gilbert would have dropped him like a sack of potatoes. Gilbert should have handled this professionally and with some decorum. I understand the need for fans to see passion and emotion, but he went overboard. Just my $0.02 (And I typed this at work and kept getting interrupted, so it may seem disjointed... my bad)
I agree with you on most of this. I actually like that an owner or anyone in the public eye spoke his mind. To often lately people in the public can't say anything without offending someone or having to apologize and I hate that about America.
It's just Lebron did quit this year against Boston and then left his home for South Beach and you have no idea how much that hurts.
I'll take your bet Jud. Ask Oregon and their amazing offense (oh yeah and Masoli) about how the Buckeyes imploded in the Rose Bowl. You would think that per usual would mean most of the time but the Buckeyes are 4-3 in BCS games under Tressel and 5-3 in BCS games overall which is tied with USC and Florida for most BCS wins.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 09, 2010, 04:45:22 AM
snip.... and I hate that about America.
You should hate the fact that people in this country get all up in arms about some dude that bounces a ball for a shit ton of money. AND that they feel personally hurt because this guy doesn't want to play for a team they like. [roll] This guys nuts must be sore from everyone hanging on them for the last 24hrs.
Will my life be changed if I gave a shit and watched this guy play a game?
Quote from: Vindingo on July 09, 2010, 05:01:43 AM
You should hate the fact that people in this country get all up in arms about some dude that bounces a ball for a shit ton of money. AND that they feel personally hurt because this guy doesn't want to play for a team they like. [roll] This guys nuts must be sore from everyone hanging on them for the last 24hrs.
Will my life be changed if I gave a shit and watched this guy play a game?
I am in your boat.
He is overpaid as is. Who really cares?
Dude why the flame job?
Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean that most of the country and world doesn't. I love sports because it gives me something to hope for and to lose myself in and not think about all the shit going on in my life. I love sports because it gives me a reason to get excited and to hang out with my friends and to talk and argue with people about it and to give shit to fans of other teams. Sports is all about getting all up in arms about something that matters to a me, a city, a state and all the fans. Hey, if I was a Bulls fan and he didn't chose the Bulls I would be mad but he left his home and an area that is really struggling for make the beast with two backsing Miami. There is a difference.
Maybe your life won't be changed but the lives of many people in Cleveland including jobs and business income will be affected and that matters.
Jay,
The economy of Cleveland is not solely reliant on the Cavs.
If they were, that would be one effed up economic system due to the size of the city. Cleveland has much bigger issues then losing the hometown hero.
It wasn't a personal attack at you. I apologize if it came off that way.
I enjoy watching some sports plenty. I love watching the world cup, boxing, fighting, etc... but I have never felt that it was anything more than entertainment.
I have to agree with cyrus, you can't blame a city being down and out because of a basketball player. He never asked to be a role model, economic stimulus, saviour... he is a basketball player. He owes Cleveland nothing more than he has already given.
Honestly you can take Lebron and replace it with Tiger and my rant will be the same. Both great athletes, maybe nice guys but they aren't civil servants because we choose to glorify their existance.
I personally don't care what LJ does or did or what he makes of his move...I say good for him to run his movements like a business since the big sporting events in the US are now more like the business of entertainment than athletics at the upper eschelon...
what tweaks me is that ESPN wasted an hour+ on the broadcasting waves to feed this whole thing....and to that I say make the beast with two backs LJ and ESPN....it is just simply ridiculous....he isn't Micheal Jordan and I quite frankly don't see him as being the second coming of MJ or as making something for himself for when he is done with the sport like MJ did....
Quote from: Vindingo on July 09, 2010, 05:38:09 AM
It wasn't a personal attack at you. I apologize if it came off that way.
It didn't, I just wanted to show my feelings on what sports means to me.
No worries here. This is just what sports is all about. You know what they say about opinions!
To Lebron and ESPN's credit- the show did raise a lot of money for the Boys and Girls Club of America.
I also know that the anger I have now will fade but Lebron did do Cleveland dirty. Seemed like he quit in the playoffs so he could leave. If they would have won the championship he would have had to stay.
That is my whole point. He quit in the playoffs because he knew he was leaving. He then lead Cleveland to believe they were the frontrunners and bounced.
I've been a fan of Lebron for several years.....I do believe that the 1 hour special was ridiculously self serving (despite the money going to charity).
I agree that Lebron has given plenty back to Cleveland and should go where ever he wants to play-7 years is a good long run.
Wait until he has to deal with the most fair weather fans in the nation.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 09, 2010, 06:41:54 AM
Wait until he has to the with the most fair weather fans in the nation.
If he is an Ohio State fan, then he already is a fair weather fan.
However, different being on the receiving side of things.
I doubt he's an Ohio State fan.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 09, 2010, 09:03:46 AM
I doubt he's an Ohio State fan.
I don't know many people that were born in this state that aren't.........
but again.........I really don't know nor do I care.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 09, 2010, 06:41:54 AM
Wait until he has to deal with the most fair weather fans in the nation.
I though that was the DC fan base for the Wizards....
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 08, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
Better one man wins and a whole town looses ?
Dolph
So one guy should sacrifice for the greater good?
Can you loan out your 1098R to the rest of us to enjoy when you're not using it? :D
He did what he felt was right for him. Same as the rest of us do-I don't see what the issue is.
Florida does not have a State income tax .
His $57, 000,000 will be worth a lot more to him there than it would be in either Cleveland or New York ( about $12,000,000 ) .
He won't be the " STAR " on the Miami team w, Wade and the other guy.
He gets $57,000,000 a year...Cleveland will loose $200,000,000 a year now that he's gone.
What one man can do to make the beast with two backs up a city.
Dolph
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 09, 2010, 11:21:26 AM
He did what he felt was right for him. Same as the rest of us do-I don't see what the issue is.
It was the discourteous manner in which he announced his decision.
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 09, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
It was the discourteous manner in which he announced his decision.
He's an arrogant athlete
What else would you expect?
Quote from: The Happy Pip on July 09, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
It was the discourteous manner in which he announced his decision.
You've never told a company to F off? ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 09, 2010, 11:37:14 AM
He's an arrogant athlete
What else would you expect?
He could have thanked the fans of Cleveland for all the love and support they gave him for 7 years and told them it broke his heart to do what it was he did but in the end he was an athlete w, only so many years to play at the top level and to make his fortune and that he didn't think he could do it in Cleveland.
Dolph
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 09, 2010, 12:03:46 PM
You've never told a company to F off? ;D
You really are out in left field with a hockey stick.
Dolph
Who cares. Athletes do this all the time. I'm an A's fan, and I was bummed when Jason Giambi left for the Yankees after the 2001 season. He defined the A's at that time. I still think the A's had an extremely good shot at winning it all in 2002 if Giambi would have been on the team. They were an excellent team...just needed a big bat. Oh well. A's offered him $20M/yr...Yankess offered him $20M/yr with a no-trade clause...but, they're also the Yankees. [roll] He could have continued as a superstar in Oakland, but instead went to be just another inconsequential player in a long line of Yankees.
Just boo LeBron's lame ass when he shows up back in Cleveland, for the entire game, and hope he nevers wins a championship with another team.
Giambi still gets booed in Oakland (although he didn't during his brief return in 2009)...just like A-Roid still gets booed in Seattle. Giambi never won his ring...and now never will. Good...F him.
Who is Lebron James? ???
Quote from: ZLTFUL on July 09, 2010, 01:09:49 PM
Who is Lebron James? ???
I dunno, some french guy?
Probably a TV chef
Quote from: ZLTFUL on July 09, 2010, 01:09:49 PM
Who is Lebron James? ???
Heard of Google ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 09, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Heard of Google ?
Dolph :)
Is that a character on a kid's show with vague pedophile undertones?
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 09, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Heard of Google ?
Dolph :)
Heard of sarcasm?
[evil]
About the only people that really give 2 squirts is the city of Cleveland because he apparently shit on them. He is a cocky self centered athlete. Of course he is going to shit on a lot of people before he retires. It's the nature of the douche.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on July 09, 2010, 04:05:43 PM
Heard of sarcasm?
[evil]
About the only people that really give 2 squirts is the city of Cleveland because he apparently shit on them. He is a cocky self centered athlete. Of course he is going to shit on a lot of people before he retires. It's the nature of the douche.
Is that related to .................protoplasm ?
I got ya ;D
No harm, no foul :)
It's just sad that LameBron was planning this move for 2 years w, Wade and Bosch to form a " Dream Team " when they played together in the Olympics.
To go through the charade for the past month or even the past year after the 3 of them knew they were going to be " free agents " is akin to the kind of things that Wall Street did that nearly brought our banking system down.
Greed and conniving.
Dolph
Wow, just wow...
Quote from: ZLTFUL on July 09, 2010, 04:05:43 PM
About the only people that really give 2 squirts is the city of Cleveland because he apparently shit on them. He is a cocky self centered athlete. Of course he is going to shit on a lot of people before he retires. It's the nature of the douche.
I don't see that in Lebron, and never have. I believe he has handled himself very well being that he became an instant multi millionaire at the age of 18.
I truly think he want's to win (which he was unable to do in Cleveland). He left to go play with Wade and Bosh for less money then the Cavs offered.
He gave them 7 good years.
I've spent the last several weeks seeing and hearing his name on TV, but never watching long enough to figure out who they were talking about or why.
Now I know.
I guess knowing is half the battle...
Quote from: zarn02 on July 09, 2010, 08:36:35 PM
I've spent the last several weeks seeing and hearing his name on TV, but never watching long enough to figure out who they were talking about or why.
Now I know.
I guess knowing is half the battle...
I think giving a shit is the other half.
I find it difficult to imagine what a sports figure does affects me at all so I don't give a shit.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 09, 2010, 11:26:37 AM
Florida does not have a State income tax .
His $57, 000,000 will be worth a lot more to him there than it would be in either Cleveland or New York ( about $12,000,000 ) .
He won't be the " STAR " on the Miami team w, Wade and the other guy.
He gets $57,000,000 a year...Cleveland will loose $200,000,000 a year now that he's gone.
What one man can do to make the beast with two backs up a city.
Dolph
Oh no, not another person that brings up the tax issue........
1. Having no state income tax only applies to the number of games he plays in Florida
2. You pay and file state tax returns in every state you earn income in. Therefore, if he makes, say 100,000 a game and plays 5 games in Illinois, then he now has a taxable income of 500,000$ in Illinois which he has to file an IL Tax return and pay subsequent state taxes on that amount of money.
3. I had a friend that worked for an accounting firm in college and she did some tax returns for some Colt's players. Said it was a real pain the ass. You have to figure out how many games they played in each state, what the amount of money per game played in that states was, etc etc.
4. His primary residence is in Ohio, therefore, all his endorsement deals won't be state tax exempt unless he has primary legal residence in Florida.
Tax "evasion" if you want to use that word.......is not a viable one in this argument.
He is 25.
Would you live in Cleveland or South Beach?
Ohio vs South Beach.....best point yet!
I don't follow basketball and don't really care much for it but I will chime in [roll]. The man served his time at Cleveland and he can go wherever he chooses. Let it go and stop crying about it! Get over it !
;D
He could have at least thanked the people of Cleveland for 7 years of supporting him.
Outside of that, his decision is his alone and his "business manager" which I believe is one of his friends from high school.
Just who I want managing my millions of dollars.......a 25yr old high school graduate (yes, I realize Bill Gates is a drop out too).
I live less than 3 miles from him. His mansion is huge and required several zoning exceptions (fence height, etc). He's not likely to move his girlfriend and two kids with the nest he's assembled here (at least not permanently). That said, I'm sick to death about the media coverage on this. The local paper (Akron - his real hometown) had 22 separate stories in yesterday's edition.
I'm shocked no one has vandalized the 10 story mural of James across from the arena in Cleveland.
And most people around here are less pissed that he left and more upset with the hour-long "make the beast with two backs you, I'm awesome" special to announce it. I was surprised he kept the Cavs in the dark about his intentions, and then claimed "it's a business" as his rationale.
Shit like this makes me glad I don't bother with basketball at all. I'm a hockey fan. Dan Gilbert owns the AHL's Lake Erie Monsters, which is the only reason I go to that arena.
Wait, what just happened?
My opinion is that no team should be one guy. If the City of Cleveland really wanted to rise up, they don't need a basketball player to do it.
Quote from: zarn02 on July 09, 2010, 08:36:35 PM
I guess knowing is half the battle...
don't forget the lasers.
(http://www.atfmb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/knowing-is-half-the-battle.jpg)
Quote from: Privateer on July 10, 2010, 08:14:05 AM
If the City of Cleveland really wanted to rise up, they don't need a basketball player to do it.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
That's really really funny. I am guessing you have never been to Cleveland or get much news about Cleveland nor do you, most importantly, give a shit.
The People of Cleveland (not all) like things handed to them.........
Cleveland Rocks
Quote from: ducpainter on July 10, 2010, 10:27:00 AM
Cleveland Rocks
As in rocks by the big ass stone quarry's when you drive in to town?!
Quote from: ducpainter on July 10, 2010, 10:27:00 AM
Cleveland Rocks
The Drew Carey Show Intro (Cleveland Rocks full) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU0JpyH1gC8#normal)
Quote from: redxblack on July 10, 2010, 07:15:39 AM
I'm shocked no one has vandalized the 10 story mural of James across from the arena in Cleveland.
they're not gonna get a chance:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38181910/ns/sports-nba/ (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38181910/ns/sports-nba/)
I'm as big a fan of cults of personality as the next guy, but perhaps it's all for the best if it means you can get rid of a ten-story picture of a basketball player. [roll]
Move to a state with no income tax? And save $10-12 million over NY/NJ/OH in the process?
It's all about the Benjamins.
it was already said in this thread, but athletes pay taxes based on where they play, not their home city. Brian Rafalski (Detroit Red Wings) breaks even when his team plays in Nashville, as they charge pro-athletes $5,000/yr tax to play in their fair city. He'll save on endorsement tax, but he left a hell of a lot of money on the table in Cleveland to be able to have a bad game and his team still have a chance to win.
Quote from: redxblack on July 10, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
it was already said in this thread, but athletes pay taxes based on where they play, not their home city. Brian Rafalski (Detroit Red Wings) breaks even when his team plays in Nashville, as they charge pro-athletes $5,000/yr tax to play in their fair city. He'll save on endorsement tax, but he left a hell of a lot of money on the table in Cleveland to be able to have a bad game and his team still have a chance to win.
I forgot about that!!!
Some cities do charge pro athletes a "registration fee" type tax to play in their municipality. I remember that from my friend I mentioned before. She said it was pretty crazy how much they lose across the country.
Shouldn't the city weep because....
They're in Ohio?
I didn't think there were that many basketball fans on here, seeing that there weren't any?? threads about the basketball finals. I thought many here mainly hockey/football/mma fans.
Personally, I hate the make the beast with two backsen game and the show ponies who earn way too much to play the "game".
But, to each his own. ;)
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 10, 2010, 03:27:11 PM
Shouldn't the city weep because....
They're in Ohio?
I weep for the fact I am in Ohio everyday. Unfortunately, good jobs prevail at this current point in time.
We are young; not having kids. Plenty of time to explore the US.
But yes, I don't care for living here.
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 10, 2010, 03:27:11 PM
Shouldn't the city weep because....
They're in Ohio?
At least we're not $40,000,000,000 in debt like Mexifornia.
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 10, 2010, 06:29:04 PM
At least we're not $40,000,000,000 in debt like Mexifornia.
Dolph
hate all you want... this is the view from my livingroom:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R6SYHa3Jj1s/RX36_9pZrUI/AAAAAAAAAOM/KWCrNYoKpQc/s1152/IMG_0256.JPG)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 10, 2010, 06:29:04 PM
At least we're not $40,000,000,000 in debt like Mexifornia.
Dolph
[laugh] zing [laugh]
Quote from: derby on July 10, 2010, 08:36:33 PM
hate all you want... this is the view from my livingroom:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R6SYHa3Jj1s/RX36_9pZrUI/AAAAAAAAAOM/KWCrNYoKpQc/s1152/IMG_0256.JPG)
I have views like this !
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/DoubleEagle_photo/DSCN0356.jpg)
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 10, 2010, 08:53:11 PM
I have views like this !
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/DoubleEagle_photo/DSCN0356.jpg)
Dolph
so do i, but i have to ride 20 minutes to get to 'em...
Quote from: derby on July 10, 2010, 09:02:53 PM
so do i, but i have to ride 20 minutes to get to 'em...
But I have no traffic to deal w, and usually no [leo] for 150 miles.
Dolph :)
Quote from: derby on July 10, 2010, 09:02:53 PM
so do i, but i have to ride 20 minutes to get to 'em...
We can start a who want's to live in Pinkoville or elsewhere thread if you want? :D
Quote from: redxblack on July 10, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
it was already said in this thread, but athletes pay taxes based on where they play, not their home city.
I would imagine 41+ games in Miami is better than 41+ games in NYC or Cleveland. ;)
Quote from: gojira on July 10, 2010, 10:05:36 PM
I would imagine 41+ games in Miami is better than 41+ games in NYC or Cleveland. ;)
The Knicks gave James 200 reasons why he would become a " Billionaire " there before any other place he would go.
If he would have gone to NJ , chances are the Russian owner would have made him an International Super Star and a Billionaire.
So it wasn't for the $$$$$$$$$.
He wants to play w, Wade and Bosh or whatever his name is.
Le Bron's " Dream Team ."
His plan to win a bunch of Championships .
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 10, 2010, 10:58:06 PM
He wants to play w, Wade and Bosh or whatever his name is.
Chris Bosh. ;) I'm sure the Raptors are crying like Cleveland.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_bosh/ (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_bosh/)
And yet Jordan was able to do it with some OK players and didn't need a "Dream Team" to do it.
Hmmm...
Quote from: ZLTFUL on July 11, 2010, 10:10:24 AM
And yet Jordan was able to do it with some OK players and didn't need a "Dream Team" to do it.
Hmmm...
Seems like the Pistons were able to do that as well with their most recent championship. IIRC they didn't even have a Jordan/Kobe/Lebron type player on that roster.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on July 11, 2010, 10:22:41 AM
Seems like the Pistons were able to do that as well with their most recent championship. IIRC they didn't even have a Jordan/Kobe/Lebron type player on that roster.
I think if you have too many ego maniacs that want to drive up their personal career stats.......the outcome typically is not good.
It is best to have one star and a bunch of good players verse 3 "All Stars" and 2 average guys.
Can't wait til the tension between this trio takes off.
The train is already speeding up, when will it derail?
Okay so the biggest part of this that keeps getting left out is that he make the beast with two backsing quit on his team in the playoffs this year just so he could leave guilt free. Game five against Boston was disgusting becuase you could tell he really did not give a make the beast with two backs. If he wanted to leave and go to Miami fine but at least try to get Cleveland a ring when you had a chance.
That is really my only sore point.
One thing I really dislike about sports (basketball especially) is the elevation of the star over the team. It's fine in golf, but a team is more than the sum of the parts. Team chemistry matters more than individual efforts (in most cases). When James had a bad game, the calves lost. When he had a good game, they won. That's a lot of pressure and I bet he'd like to share the guilt for losses with others.
I really dislike the Crosby vs. Ovechkin thing the NHL has been cooking for the last few years. The NHL doesn't need to stoke either ego. Bettman came from the NBA, so it shouldn't surprise anyone.
Quote from: redxblack on July 11, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
One thing I really dislike about sports (basketball especially) is the elevation of the star over the team. It's fine in golf, but a team is more than the sum of the parts.
the name on the front of your jersey matters more than the name on the back?
(http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphinduct/ind06brooksBio01.jpg)
Exactly!
Quote from: Privateer on July 11, 2010, 04:20:19 PM
the name on the front of your jersey matters more than the name on the back?
But sometimes (okay a lot), the name on the back makes the name on the front. ;)
Like Montana made the 49ers......but what about Rice , Dwight Clark , and Ronnie Lott.
It was a team effort.
Le Bron did give up in game 5, he played badly in game 4 as well.
Dolph :)
Every athlete has a bad day. Haven't you?
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 11, 2010, 06:56:57 PM
Every athlete has a bad day. Haven't you?
Too many to count !
Dolph :)
Quote from: kopfjäger on July 11, 2010, 06:56:57 PM
Every athlete has a bad day. Haven't you?
You obviously didn't watch that game/series against Boston. It was very easy to tell that Lebron was mailing it in. I knew then that he was leaving.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 12, 2010, 03:16:11 AM
You obviously didn't watch that game/series against Boston. It was very easy to tell that Lebron was mailing it in. I knew then that he was leaving.
Maybe the hoop was the incorrect height?
They should have watched the movie Hoosiers to learn that it is good to measure the height of the hoop when you first arrive at the court.
This conversation is ghey. Why is it that people from Ohio are so whinny about their sport teams? I would rather live with the fair weather fans.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 12, 2010, 05:49:18 AM
This conversation is ghey. Why is it that people from Ohio are so whinny about their sport teams? I would rather live with the fair weather fans.
You are catching on to another reason I don't like living here, among many.
They are freaks for the most part.
I've seen 40+ year old men throw beer bottles and cry after football loses.
It is really really pathetic.
If you haven't been to Ohio, you couldn't understand why so much is put into sports fandom. There's not much else going on.
I'm one of those few native Ohioans that don't care AT ALL for college sports. I spend my autumn saturday afternoons reading. [thumbsup]
I really think it is unfair to to label just Ohio as being crazy fans.
LSU and Alabama fans are just as bad as Buckeye fans along with most of the midwest and south. I think the Northeast and California/Arizona areas are way less into them. I believe that college sports (especially football) strike a chord with people. It is a much purer form of the nation's favorite sport. When you only have 12 games to make a statement to the voters and BCS almost every game matters.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 12, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
I believe that college sports (especially football) strike a chord with people. It is a much purer form of the nation's favorite any sport.
fixed it for you....
Quote from: redxblack on July 12, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
If you haven't been to Ohio, you couldn't understand why so much is put into sports fandom. There's not much else going on.
I'm one of those few native Ohioans that don't care AT ALL for college sports. I spend my autumn saturday afternoons reading. [thumbsup]
We do have a bunch of whacky crimes that make national news frequently..............does that count?
Not a native Ohioan here, but I prefer to go moto riding on Saturday's in the fall during the make the beast with two backseye's games.
There is no traffic ANYWHERE.
However, beware after the games...............drinking and driving here, at least in Columbus, is alive and well.
A few blocks from my house:
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n284/mattandemilymeister/34459_135377366485357_1000003928473.jpg)
^^^^^^^
Awesome.