This is (horribly) unbelievable. Just when I thought that people like this had (thankfully) vanished from the world....
POSTAL WORKER FILMS CUSTOMERS CRAZY RACIST RANT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB4rYVQxq6w#normal)
Even worse, I read that the mailman was fired by the Postmaster and that the woman who had to appear in court was let go without any punishment.
[bang]
The depth of ignorance and stupidity here is outstanding.
oh my goodness, that is just sad :(
'I'm not prejudiced but...'
- The white people will kill him for not doing what she says? Oh my...
*sigh.. poor guy was just trying to do his job. If it's true he go canned, that's a shame. She assaulted him and she gets off? What the hell...
He might get some trouble for recording it w/o her knowing - depending on the state laws there. But doesn't relieve her of trouble for f'ing hitting the dude who's just trying to do his job. She signed for it - he cannot take it back.
I know - I had couldn't believe that "I'm not prejudiced line"
That sort of crap hurts my brain and make me sad for humanity.
I think my fave is her claim that black people killed MLK... wow she's just a loony. There any news coverage of this?
Quote from: yuu on November 12, 2010, 09:02:35 AM
There any news coverage of this?
Not that I've seen as of yet, but the video is going viral so it's only a matter of time.
Well, i hope he doesn't get in trouble for filming it. There was a case in this area that got pretty big with a motorcyclist filming a LEO
Details here
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41719.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41719.0) Rather different circumstances than this, as the biker had a camera in the open (helmet mount), so filming it w/o her know could be trouble.
But, I hope that things get put right. She gets her troubles for hitting the poor guy and he gets his job back (with a different route)
A dreary reminder that Dumb is alive and well...
and here is a dreary reminder that "white"
does not have the exclusive franchise on dumb/racist speech, behavior and attitudes
It is a federal offense to interfere with the delivery of the mail. I'm shocked that nothing happened to this woman who obstructed the mail. I checked snopes, but no one has posted anything on it as of yet.
Bullshit, this guy isn't a victim.
He filmed the lady without her knowledge
He was playing a martyred antagonist and made no effort to leave the situation or resolve it.
He knew the situation was going to escalate by his continued inaction and he let it escalate so he could film it.
This is the human equivalent of poking an angry dog and acting all shocked when it bites you.
I'd have fired him too
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 09:47:46 AM
Bullshit, this guy isn't a victim.
He filmed the lady without her knowledge
He was playing a martyred antagonist and made no effort to leave the situation or resolve it.
He knew the situation was going to escalate by his continued inaction and he let it escalate so he could film it.
This is the human equivalent of poking an angry dog and acting all shocked when it bites you.
I'd have fired him too
Don't you think that you're making an awful lot of assumptions?
1) He is quite clearly not a US native - you can tell by his accent.
2) If my first point is correct, the way in which he is experienced and accustomed to handling confrontations may vary significantly from the way that you or anyone else might deal with them.
3) Yes, he filmed it without her knowledge - if he felt that film was his only protection then he used it to that effect. Besides, who's going to voluntarily be that racist on film??
What if someone else had recorded it without her knowledge, say someone on the street corner, would that have been any different or any less admissible??
4) It IS a federal offense to obstruct mail delivery - and assaulting a federal officer/employee is that much more of an offense.
And not being a native excuses his actions or more importantly his inaction?
His inability to resolve conflict, regardless of nationality, when part of his job is to interact with the public does nothing but demonstrate his incompetence
If he felt he needed to film the situation to defend himself then informing the lady of his action would have deflated the situation because you are right, she may very well have not voluntarily reacted the way she did had she known she was being recorded.
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 09:47:46 AM
He filmed the lady without her knowledge
i don't think she has any reasonable expectation of privacy out there on the street.
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 10:13:33 AM
And not being a native excuses his actions or more importantly his inaction?
His inability to resolve conflict, regardless of nationality, when part of his job is to interact with the public does nothing but demonstrate his incompetence
If he felt he needed to film the situation to defend himself then informing the lady of his action would have deflated the situation because you are right, she may very well have not voluntarily reacted the way she did had she known she was being recorded.
I'm not sure that incompetence is the most accurate way to describe his actions (or lack there of). If you consider the possibility that his native socio-cultural dynamic may be significantly different, then the way in which he chooses to resolve an issue is also that much different.
That much doesn't make him incompetent.
Makes you wonder though that if he had told her he was recording if she would have beat the crap out of him right then and there. That woman is seriously whacked-out.
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 09:47:46 AM
Bullshit, this guy isn't a victim.
He filmed the lady without her knowledge
He was playing a martyred antagonist and made no effort to leave the situation or resolve it.
He knew the situation was going to escalate by his continued inaction and he let it escalate so he could film it.
This is the human equivalent of poking an angry dog and acting all shocked when it bites you.
I'd have fired him too
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong.
The guy has a job to do and there are rules he has to follow, as a worker you should know that its not in your right to break rules that you are legally required to follow. You may want to to defuse a situation but if its not in your athorrity to break the rules then you should not break them.
that lady was completeyout of line, she signed for the letter then didn't want to take repsonsibilty for the screw up and go back to the post office to return it. it was omcpletey her fault.
the guy was doijg his job and she didnt' have to sign for it but did. he doesn't have the authority to then take back the letter and say it wasn't signhed for it was. simpel as that.
she was then mouting off and then threaten the guy and you would fire the guy for keeping his calm. that is crazy.
and yes racism is alive and well in the united states and the world. there are a lot of people that still believe that "if you ain't white, you ain't right". Of course this is not limited to only "white people" you can insert any race as saying prejudicial things about any other race. I just used that saying as an example that is all. I've learned that people are only as civil as they "have to be".
the fact that the guy was fired for keeping calm and following the rules of his job is absolutely insane. completely and totally insane.
Coming from a multi-cultural, multi-lingual, and mult-ethnic up bringing, I tend to think that people like that woman don't exist anymore - it's the belief that the sort of socio-cultural ignorance that we see here is being bred out of humanity that keeps me optimistic.
Sadly, the world isn't quite there yet.
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 12, 2010, 10:50:39 AM
Coming from a multi-cultural, multi-lingual, and mult-ethnic up bringing, I tend to think that people like that woman don't exist anymore - it's the belief that the sort of socio-cultural ignorance that we see here is being bred out of humanity that keeps me optimistic.
Sadly, the world isn't quite there yet.
seeing things "as they should or could be",,, rather than,,, "how they actually are"
is dangerous stuff...
it can get you killed in some venues
Don't get me wrong - I'm not blind to the way of things - but come on, this woman is off her rocker nuts!!!
That lady is a racist and should be locked up for assault and battery
we all agree on that
Quote from: sbrguy on November 12, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
The guy has a job to do and there are rules he has to follow, as a worker you should know that its not in your right to break rules that you are legally required to follow. You may want to to defuse a situation but if its not in your athorrity to break the rules then you should not break them.
Agreed, there are rules to follow and I would be completely shocked if there was not a policy that the postal service has in place to deal with a situation where a person signs for certified mail and then realizes it isn't actually theirs
Quote from: sbrguy on November 12, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
that lady was completeyout of line, she signed for the letter then didn't want to take repsonsibilty for the screw up and go back to the post office to return it. it was omcpletey her fault.
agreed she was completely in the wrong
Quote from: sbrguy on November 12, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
the guy was doijg his job and she didnt' have to sign for it but did. he doesn't have the authority to then take back the letter and say it wasn't signhed for it was. simpel as that.
she was then mouting off and then threaten the guy and you would fire the guy for keeping his calm. that is crazy.
and mostly agreed here as well
however
This guy and I have very little difference in our Jobs
we both get paid to drive a government vehicle to the public's homes and provide a service that may or may not result in varied emotional responses
It is the responsibility of the worker to remain calm and deflate potentially negative situations while following policy to the letter
the first way you do that is to present the policy to the offended party
once you see the results of that action and identify that continuing to repeat it will not deflate the situation but in fact escalate it
you change tactics
you ask the offended party how they would like the situation resolved
if their requests would force you to violate your given protocols
then you get your supervisor involved
if the offended party's reaction is violence
you secure your own safety and the safety of your government and/or public owned property
and
You call the police
What you do not do is continue to repeat the actions that provoked the emotional and now violent response while continuing to secretly video tape it then post it up on Youtube, that is completely wrong and thus justification for firing the guy
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 12, 2010, 11:35:39 AM
Don't get me wrong - I'm not blind to the way of things - but come on, this woman is off her rocker nuts!!!
Indeed...no short supply in her ranks...but it falls into "dog bites man" category of non-news....or "insane person behaves oddly"...
this goes on all over the country and world on a daily basis...crazy people and hell, even people with Tourette's Syndrome use the "N" word
disengaging from irrational potentially violent people is common sense.... whether it is in your job description or not...
this guy had an agenda
I am with Mother on this one
whipping up a frenzy in Locked-Down America between the inmates...while the real ass-make the beast with two backsing of ALL of us (irrespective of color) goes on unabated by invisible people,,, is a tired shopworn card to play
it serves no worthwhile purpose
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
the first way you do that is to present the policy to the offended party
<snip>
You call the police
I agree - it's hard to argue with a written policy.
Also, I did think it was a bit odd that he didn't call the police - especially after she stuck him. :-\
I wonder what the odds are that he's had trouble with her in the past and this time he wanted to catch it on film for proof.
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 12, 2010, 12:11:28 PM
I wonder what the odds are that he's had trouble with her in the past and this time he wanted to catch it on film for proof.
I'd buy that scenario
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
What you do not do is continue to repeat the actions that provoked the emotional and now violent response while continuing to secretly video tape it then post it up on Youtube, that is completely wrong and thus justification for firing the guy
i don't think his original intention was to post it on youtube. most likely as video evidence of his side of the story when the lady filed a complaint that eventually landed on his supervisor's desk.
from what i can gather on the innertubes, he's sat on this video for about a year.
the video ended up on youtube due to the lack of progress on the investigation into him getting fired for the incident.
Quote from: derby on November 12, 2010, 12:41:20 PM
the video ended up on youtube due to the lack of progress on the investigation into him getting fired for the incident.
That'll get things moving for sure!!
Quote from: derby on November 12, 2010, 12:41:20 PM
i don't think his original intention was to post it on youtube. most likely as video evidence of his side of the story when the lady filed a complaint that eventually landed on his supervisor's desk.
from what i can gather on the innertubes, he's sat on this video for about a year.
the video ended up on youtube due to the lack of progress on the investigation into him getting fired for the incident.
I would imagine that the post office has pretty strict policy on video taping people/incidents while on duty
aside from his intention to put it up on youtube or use it for his personal defense
he posted it anyway
which IMO simply reinforces the Post Office's decision to fire him
His agenda was to make the lady look as bad as she is and he succeeded
and
he paid the price for it
Karma's a strict mistress
WOW!!! And to think that there's no such thing exists in America. I came from a country where I was being discriminated because of my race and religion. There's hardly anything you can do legally where I came from. But, this happened in the US??? Unbelievable! >:( >:( >:(. That woman should be locked up....period. And...why did the postman got fired?? [bang]....Sooo wrong....
he was fired for other reasons, like sucking at his job
ohh and 4chan did their thing and found her she's bound to get 100,000 swastika postcards now
internet justice FTW
http://gawker.com/5688566/meet-the-volvo+driving-racist-mailman-harasser (http://gawker.com/5688566/meet-the-volvo+driving-racist-mailman-harasser)
Quote from: sisca77 on November 12, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
WOW!!! And to think that there's no such thing exists in America. I came from a country where I was being discriminated because of my race and religion. There's hardly anything you can do legally where I came from. But, this happened in the US??? Unbelievable! >:( >:( >:(. That woman should be locked up....period. And...why did the postman got fired?? [bang]....Sooo wrong....
Why would you think theres no racism in America? Racism exists in ALL corners of the world. It will be here forever and ever.
Heres the general rule of thumb ( for those of you who didn't grow up with racial discrimination)... and I'll agree with Mother that guy took this situation the wrong way, though I can't say if he is to blame or not, but he could of certainly avoided this whole situation by just following htis general rule...
Whenever you're involved in a conflict where there is racial tension, GET THE make the beast with two backs OUT THERE ASAP.
The only reason that person is opening their mouth is because YOU'RE THE MINORITY, theres not going to a huge black mob to lynch the lady cause he slapped him, but there will be a huge white mob ready to lynch him if he slapped her. Just the way life is.
Quote from: He Man on November 12, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
Why would you think theres no racism in America? Racism exists in ALL corners of the world. It will be here forever and ever.
Heres the general rule of thumb ( for those of you who didn't grow up with racial discrimination)... and I'll agree with Mother that guy took this situation the wrong way, though I can't say if he is to blame or not, but he could of certainly avoided this whole situation by just following htis general rule...
Whenever you're involved in a conflict where there is racial tension, GET THE make the beast with two backs OUT THERE ASAP.
The only reason that person is opening their mouth is because YOU'RE THE MINORITY, theres not going to a huge black mob to lynch the lady cause he slapped him, but there will be a huge white mob ready to lynch him if he slapped her. Just the way life is.
Kinda like riding a moto in NYC. ;)
Quote from: sisca77 on November 12, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
WOW!!! And to think that there's no such thing exists in America. I came from a country where I was being discriminated because of my race and religion. There's hardly anything you can do legally where I came from. But, this happened in the US??? Unbelievable! >:( >:( >:(. That woman should be locked up....period. And...why did the postman got fired?? [bang]....Sooo wrong....
locked up for her thoughts or for the minor assault and battery? isn't that what you came here to get away from?
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
Agreed, there are rules to follow and I would be completely shocked if there was not a policy that the postal service has in place to deal with a situation where a person signs for certified mail and then realizes it isn't actually theirs
My take is the letter is hers and she didn't want it "served." Probably some past due bill or the like that the sender wanted to prove she received.
Quote
This guy and I have very little difference in our Jobs
Really? Very little difference in the job or a mail carrier and a fireman? Don't let your Union hear that. Might not go over well during contract negotiations.
Quotewe both get paid to drive a government vehicle to the public's homes and provide a service that may or may not result in varied emotional responses
It is the responsibility of the worker to remain calm and deflate potentially negative situations while following policy to the letter
What you do not do is continue to repeat the actions that provoked the emotional and now violent response while continuing to secretly video tape it then post it up on Youtube, that is completely wrong and thus justification for firing the guy
What he should have done is said, "No," and driven away. Let her rant all she wants. On the other hand we don't know the history here. Maybe she did this to him often and he wanted to get her on tape. I'm glad he did. I bet she doesn't do that to another mail carrier.
I stopped a guy last week and noticed his video camera running on the passenger seat. He said he always films when he gets stopped. I said, "So do I," and pointed to my in car camera. We then both filmed him signing his ticket.
It's perfectly legal to film people in public. As derby said, they have no expectation of privacy.
Yup. racism is quite alive and well and not just in the boonies either. I must come across as easy to talk to as it seems people really act as they are around me and because I like to observe people and what makes them tick, I often let them say whatever nonsense is in their little heads without correcting their ignorance. It really is surprising and sad how two faced an awful lot of people are. [bang]
At least this moron doesn't seem to be hiding it.
damn...
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
if the offended party's reaction is violence
you secure your own safety and the safety of your government and/or public owned property
and
You call the police
What you do not do is continue to repeat the actions that provoked the emotional and now violent response while continuing to secretly video tape it then post it up on Youtube, that is completely wrong and thus justification for firing the guy
well we can disagree on this aspect.
Yes the guy should have just driven away. but then again he probably had to go back the next day so trying to just tell her the istuation was the best way and she didn't want it that way she was saying "take it back or someone will lynch you"
Quote from: lethe on November 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
Yup. racism is quite alive and well and not just in the boonies either. I must come across as easy to talk to as it seems people really act as they are around me and because I like to observe people and what makes them tick, I often let them say whatever nonsense is in their little heads without correcting their ignorance. It really is surprising and sad how two faced an awful lot of people are. [bang]
At least this moron doesn't seem to be hiding it.
Unfortunately there is only one way to deal with racists, but if you did that then there would be nobody left alive on the planet.
and he-man is correct when it comes to a confrontation that is racially based on ignorance you have to ask yourself: Am I ready to kill this person and ready to die for in this situation?
If you are not willing to answer yes to that question with 100% certainty, like He-man says, walk away fast, because that is the final destination of any racially based bigoted or racist confrontation.
Its not going to end like a disney story where everyone holds hands and understands each other and has no more prejudice that is hollywood, not reality.
Quote from: hbliam on November 12, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Really? Very little difference in the job or a mail carrier and a fireman? Don't let your Union hear that. Might not go over well during contract negotiations.
nothing ever goes well during contract negotiations
Quote from: Mother on November 12, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
nothing ever goes well during contract negotiations
touche'..we are in the middle of ours now.
It suprises me that this video suprises people ???
Youtube is filled with racist bullshit, as it the world. Is this news because he is a postal worker?
Dude should have just driven away...
from turf's link
QuoteI spoke to a mail carrier today. He told me that the carrier from the video was indeed fired, but not for the incident on the video. He wasn't doing his job. Apparently skipping duties such as monitoring relay boxes and "not caring" about his duties. "They" had been watching him for some time... the final straw was when he drove over and ripped up a residential lawn with the mail truck...
Quote from: Statler on November 12, 2010, 03:56:53 PM
locked up for her thoughts or for the minor assault and battery? isn't that what you came here to get away from?
Yes, exactly.
fake.....
a real postal worker would have driven around the block and wiped his ass with her social security check.
Quote from: bobspapa on November 13, 2010, 07:54:59 AM
fake.....
a real postal worker would have driven around the block and wiped his ass with her social security check.
i would have thought a real postal worker would have climbed to a roof top with a sniper rifle
hahahahaa
QuoteAnd Winchester has a history of belligerent behavior. Documents posted by The Smoking Gun show police were called to an event at the Hingham armory in 2007 to deal with Winchester, who was threatening "that anyone who wrongs her would 'get it with a machine gun.' When a cop tried to put her in a cruiser, she threatened to chop off his balls. And in 2005 she was arrested for drunk driving when she crashed her Volvo (of course) through a street sign.
Interesting and sad that nut cases like that are allowed to run around spouting their insanity. Also interesting that the video cuts out when he gets smacked so you don't actually see it.
Quote from: Turf on November 12, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
...she's bound to get 100,000 swastika postcards now
http://gawker.com/5688566/meet-the-volvo+driving-racist-mailman-harasser (http://gawker.com/5688566/meet-the-volvo+driving-racist-mailman-harasser)
I hope the bulk of them are sent certified or with signature confirmation. [laugh]
Quote from: erkishhorde on November 13, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
Interesting and sad that nut cases like that are allowed to run around spouting their insanity. Also interesting that the video cuts out when he gets smacked so you don't actually see it.
Why is it sad that she can speak her mind, regardless of how vile her views may be?
And I guess I'm missing something, but why do a couple of sources report that she drives a Volvo? (Is there a stereotype associated with that? Serious question- noone drives Volvos down here, so I don't think we have the same view of them)
Dunno about the Volvo thing. Appears she's got a bit of a history, including threathening to chop of a LEOs nuts when he tried to put her in the cruiser after creating another incident in public.
But, looks like the mail carrier was fired for other reasons - not just this. Skipping his duties and such.
There's always more to the story.
Quote from: yuu on November 15, 2010, 11:26:32 AM
Dunno about the Volvo thing. Appears she's got a bit of a history, including threathening to chop of a LEOs nuts when he tried to put her in the cruiser after creating another incident in public.
But, looks like the mail carrier was fired for other reasons - not just this. Skipping his duties and such.
8)
Quote from: krolik on November 15, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
There's always more to the story.
8)
but...
if we wait to hear the whole story how can we come up with half baked conclusions?
Quote from: humorless dp on November 15, 2010, 03:35:17 PM
but...
if we wait to hear the whole story how can we come up with half baked conclusions?
If we wait long enough it'll be a movie of the week starring Cloris Leachman and Danny Glover.
Quote from: superjohn on November 15, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
If we wait long enough it'll be a movie of the week starring Cloris Leachman and Danny Glover.
nuthin' half baked about that.