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FP1.. you'll never guess who was fastest!

1. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1min 29.978s
2. Marco Melandri ITA Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 30.134s
3. Jonathan Rea GBR Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 30.184s
4. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 30.566s
5. Joan Lascorz ESP Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1min 30.687s
6. Michel Fabrizio ITA Suzuki Alstare GSX-R1000 1min 30.789s
7. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 30.797s
8. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 30.827s
9. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 30.842s
10. Jakub Smrz CZE Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 30.868s
11. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 30.970s
12. Eugene Laverty IRL Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 30.985s
13. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 31.022s
14. Ruben Xaus ESP Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 31.112s
15. Maxime Berger FRA Supersonic Ducati 1098R 1min 31.337s
16. Noriyuki Haga JPN PATA Aprilia RSV-4 1min 31.387s
17. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 31.782s
18. Roberto Rolfo ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 32.159s
19. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 32.670s
20. Mark Aitchison AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 33.295s

I dig it that Melandri is doing well. I think the big fights this year will be between him, Checa, Biaggi & Haslam.

I like that the fights will be between all different manufacture of machinery!

Q1:

1. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 28.794s
2. Marco Melandri ITA Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 28.841s
3. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1min 29.194s
4. Eugene Laverty IRL Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 29.379s
5. Jakub Smrz CZE Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 29.397s
6. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 29.472s
7. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 29.476s
8. Ruben Xaus ESP Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 29.613s
9. Joan Lascorz ESP Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1min 29.637s
10. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 29.639s
11. Noriyuki Haga JPN PATA Aprilia RSV-4 1min 29.814s
12. Maxime Berger FRA Supersonic Ducati 1098R 1min 29.851s
13. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 29.860s
14. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 30.008s
15. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 30.169s
16. Jonathan Rea GBR Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 30.348s
17. Michel Fabrizio ITA Suzuki Alstare GSX-R1000 1min 30.383s
18. Roberto Rolfo ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 30.680s
19. Mark Aitchison AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 31.117s
20. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 31.485s

wsbk gets on-board cameras starting this weekend

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=43796 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=43796)

Cool. I'll be digging that! [thumbsup] Can't wait for the races!! I love WSBK. [clap]

so biaggi took out fabrizio (ha!) and Alstare is reporting that it will cost $30,000 to fix his bike.  the fact that they are actually quoting a number is... odd. 

good thing for haslam.

Wish the practice and qually sessions were available on RU...

Yeah, since when do you hear a race team throwing dollar figures around to fix up a crashed bike or car? What's up with that? Do they want Max or Ape to write them a check?

Great Superpole results!! [thumbsup] Who needs a factory Duc WSBK team after all? [laugh]

Wow, this was supposed to be a bad circuit for Checa.  Hopefully he can keep it upright tomorrow.  Laverty crashed on his first lap in SP1 and couldn't get it together to get a fast lap in on his B bike.  Biaggi--in addition to taking out douchebrizio yesterday--screwed up Melandri's and Haga's fast laps.  Smrz--as usual--can put in a fast lap, but can't race for shit.  3 Aprilia's in the top 8, eh?  And green on the front row?

Superpole Results

1. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1min 28.099s
2. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 28.365s
3. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 28.556s
4. Jakub Smrz CZE Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 28.561s
5. Noriyuki Haga JPN PATA Aprilia RSV-4 1min 28.673s
6. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 28.702s
7. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 28.737s
8. Jonathan Rea GBR Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 39.514s

9. Marco Melandri ITA Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 28.803s
10. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 28.836s
11. Michel Fabrizio ITA Suzuki Alstare GSX-R1000 1min 29.135s
12. Joan Lascorz ESP Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1min 29.422s

13. Eugene Laverty IRL Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 29.312s
14. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 29.879s
15. Maxime Berger FRA Supersonic Ducati 1098R 1min 30.002s
16. Ruben Xaus ESP Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 30.076s

Did not progress to Superpole, times det

17. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 30.169s
18. Roberto Rolfo ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 30.680s
19. Mark Aitchison AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 31.117s
20. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 31.485s

It'll be a barn burner of a race for sure! [thumbsup] Bring it. [moto]

Max fined 3k Euros for lightly slapping/tapping Melandri after their superpole dust-up.  Max, you douche.   [roll]

Video and more info here:  http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/03/26/2011_wsbk_donington_day_2_round_up_the_h.html (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/03/26/2011_wsbk_donington_day_2_round_up_the_h.html)

Those frog shit green machines pretty much suck swamp water .

This could be BMWs 1st Victory....... [clap]     go Leon !

Dolph     :)

looks like the Max of Olde is back...was wondering when it was going to happen...


bet those "frog shit green" bike riders could out ride you on either of your bikes with a 600 and I'd also go so far as to bet that you couldn't come within 75% of their laptime on either of your bikes....and for the record...Tom Sykes is a Brit rider on a home track with something to prove because he is on the most underrated machine on the grid, and THAT is why I attribute him to being 3rd on the grid!!!...sheer will and determination to push a machine is what these guys do and do well!

 

The race was so good I hate to spoil it.

Completely unexpected.

Wow! Just awesome races today at Donington!! In race two the top 7 spots were covered by 7 different brands of bikes!! Does it get any better than that? I've waited all winter for WSBK and it was damn sure worth the wait! [thumbsup] What's this MotoGP I keep hearing about? [laugh]

"Interesting" race two for Biaggi. :P

I wish they had a subscription like motogp does...


mitt

He's been described accurately in this thread.

Whose wheel was that in race 1!

Sure a ride through sucks. Who "wants" to do a ride through? But refusing to and getting DQ'd? Who said that was a good idea? [bang] Maybe he's hoping to win the appeal but I wouldn't count on it. How often does that happen? :P Better to ride through and then hope some good luck and good riding comes your way and maybe you could salvage a few points. But a DQ is as good as a DNF. I'd like to read about his explanation of that call.

2011 WSBK Donington - Maxime Berger crash analysis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnJdEFigY2I#normal)

He's a douche.

His behavior on and off the track this weekend make the 3K euro fine a joke, and to thank the organizers for the favor he ignores the ride through.

He's a douche

Great races!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Melandri was awesome, especially in race 1!!  [bow_down] [bow_down]

Fantastic races. What a ride by Camier in race 2! Checa owes him one big time.

Biaggi- WTF?! Did we really just see a full on implosion, or did he somehow miss the communication? ( yeah, I know- it was an implosion)

Haslam rode tough today. I hope BMW knows how lucky they are to have him.

He said he lost his concetration trying to jump start his bike after jumping the start ...then Max said he never saw the board telling him about the " Ride Through ."

He said that often happens when you are in the pack !

Nice try Max   ;D

Dolph     :)

How would you know ? You've never seen me ride !

Besides it's moot point ...I won't be riding any of those tracks .....

Except for 1 ZX10-R ,the rest of the Kawkers sucked Pond scum today as I figured.

Dolph   

Easy to see why Rossi enjoyed crushing Max....

He may very well get to do it again. ;D

Safe assumption maybe? 

Ahhh, I think the Kawis did very well today. All things considered. Mr. Bimmer might want to think twice about the smack talk about the Kawis. Just saying! :P

Nice edit.   ;D

A 10th out of 15 finishers in the 1st Race ....that's BIG !

5th in the 2nd Race .....yipppeeeeeee.

Dolph

with a completely new bike. In it's 2nd race weekend ever.
Taken in context, 5th is pretty damn good.

Dolph's context is in comparison to his current machinery, regardless of reality...so I take his commentary with a grain of salt....so in short, I agree with you!, and it could have been a 3rd, 4th, or 5th place finish for Sykes in race 1 if he hadn't misshifted and lost the front going into that flip-flop...

So it was a missed shift that led to Sykes losing the front?

That video of Berger's Duc losing the rear wheel is wild. The commentary is right, the wheel manufacturer is going to be asked some hard questions. And he was lucky that it happened in a slower turn. Could have been much more nasty... like in a crowded pack at the end of a straight. :P

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Mar/110327c.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Mar/110327c.htm)

many have said the only thing not factory about the althea team is the lack of xerox sponsorship.  supposedly they are getting all the parts and full support.

awesome races!

max, wtf.

marco is the first rider to win at the world level in 125, 250, MotoGP and wsbk.

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=eclkd.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

We have no way of knowing how many seasons that wheel has been in service, if it's been crashed on, etc...

If it's a brand new wheel this season with no crashes...maybe.

It was marked 'For Race use Only'...you're on your own.  ;D

I hate when that happens:

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Maxime-Berger-Supersonic-Ducati.jpg)

so all you guys with OZ rims gonna get them x-rayed?

check out the tire tread shoes

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/03/28/2011_wsbk_donington_race_round_up_changi.html (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/03/28/2011_wsbk_donington_race_round_up_changi.html)

f'n great races.   [thumbsup]

It's official.  I'm back on the Melandri bandwagon.  He made me a lifelong fan with that epic powerslide, and it's good to be feelin' the love again.  And it's even better to watch him help Max totally decompensate in front of a world audience.  Max, Marco made you his pregnant dog this weekend. Now write "I won't be a douche" on the board 100 times and STFU for a bit.

Uh  . . . what happened to Checa over the last two years?  Wowza.

I think Rea screwed up by riding a Honda again.  It's too finicky.  

Would someone please tell Fabrizio that WSBK runs TWO races in a weekend.  It's not one practice session--where you can just pull in if you get a hangnail--and then one race.  How many times has that guy pitted because he needed to change his tampon?

Donington 2009 is where it all went south for Haga.  He hasn't been the same since.  Did The Ben break him or has that injury been taking a toll.  This is the first I remember hearing about it.  

Max Biaggi: Insta-douche, Just add championship!

The wheel thing was crazy, but not more than the awesomeness of checa and Melandri storming through the pack.

And Spidey, I believe it was at Monza when god decided to punish him and broke his collarbone via kamikaze-bird

I don't think those are OZ...at least not what is available to us. Mine (748) are 5 spoke...as are the OZ 1198 rims.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/189737_10150126645551441_645146440_6869786_2765321_n.jpg)

Well, there ya go!  ;D Any idea if they're Magnesium or Aluminum?

(I still don't plan on worrying about mine on my lowly 748)

I think it was the 300 ft.lbs. of torque the 1198 puts on the ground. [laugh] Bet that Bimmer rider needed a fresh set of leathers. ;D

It's the new DTC "wheel ejection" setting. 

Effective form of wheelie control...

he grew up and someone gave him a factory ducati


yeah, the whole ten kate squad in both classes is having a hard time.  weird.


[laugh]

maybe he was just all bunched up over seeing his bike from last year nearly win race 1.

They found the limit on how light you can make that type of rim  :D


mitt

According to OZ's site, the six spoke jobbies are forged mag.

http://www.ozracing.com/motorbike_wheels_var/OZ%20MOTORBIKE/34527/OZ%20MOTORBIKE/CATTIVA%20R/34529.aspx (http://www.ozracing.com/motorbike_wheels_var/OZ%20MOTORBIKE/34527/OZ%20MOTORBIKE/CATTIVA%20R/34529.aspx)

Any idea why the team would number the spokes on the wheel?

Could have been done afterward, to easily show how they mated up.

yup.  those numbers aren't in the earlier photo.

Slow-mo video of the crash with commentary by a coupla guys who know how to ride.

2011 WSBK Donington - Maxime Berger crash analysis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnJdEFigY2I#normal)

BTW, did that bike come as close to landing on Laverty as it looks?   :o

2011 WSBK Donington - SP1 - Eugene Laverty Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbpQ1_ENYVM&feature=related#normal)

The Biaggi/Haga/Melandri incidents

2011 WSBK Donington - Max Biaggi's Superpole incidents (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFojGCAx_I&feature=related#normal)

And gotta love the Brits.  Their take on the Biaggi/Melandri dust-up is that Max hits like a girl.   [laugh]

2011 WSBK Donington - Biaggi and Melandri's war of words (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfC28H3ria8&feature=related#normal)

Kinda like this one.  :D

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47508.msg865716#msg865716 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47508.msg865716#msg865716)

Yeah, they look really similar.  Probably just a coincidence.  

yikes.  really glad he walked away from that one.

Maybe Max will try and give Laverty a slap at Assen.  [laugh]

That'd be entertaining!

I just wonder why they would number all of 'em....  ???

So they didn't lose count? ;D

Maybe they number a spoke for each year they used the wheel.

wait, does that tire have chicken strips?  :D

The darker area just beyond the edge is most likely torn up tire from accelerating out of the corners while the pure edge is smoother and not beat up as bad.

I mean I know you're joking, but just sayin'.

Mostly they break in slower turns, supposedly. Apparently it's a torque thing.

MAx Biaggi is now officially Melandri's beeartch!

Was I the only one dreaming of a situation where he slaps Carl Fogarty in some alternative history? Ol' Max would be missing some teeth.

Bet you wouldn't see Max slap Xaus! He's about a foot taller than Biaggi and Max would get punched into next week. [laugh] I agree with the commentary. Max is just acting like the Max of old (sad to see) and he's worried that Marco will continue kicking his ass all season. And he should be worried! ;D

yes, he should!

http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/167900/1/provoked_biaggi_regrets_foolish_reaction.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/167900/1/provoked_biaggi_regrets_foolish_reaction.html)

[cough]bullshit[cough] [roll]

Max is like my older brother. They both need to hone their apology skills. [laugh] Sure, there's the effort (albeit a forced effort) but it's still a little rough on the edges. Hey... I'd go to dinner with Melandri if asked! [beer] [wine]

i like how he's still defending his rossi behavior at the same time...

Pfft! Tell it to someone who cares. Melandi is gonna own you're ass all season long.

My favorite: "If we were on the podium together, I still would have shaken his hand."

Now THAT slap is gonna leave a mark.  [laugh]

Fixed the link for ya.   ;)

my cat hits harder than Max

somebody needs to paint Max a helmet that looks like his ass.....


scuz'a me.... my head is up'a my ass.

 [laugh]

I didn't follow WSBK too close last year, but didn't Max get through the whole season without being a tool?

He got lucky. ;D

Very nearly, on the podium with Cal Crutchlow towards the very end he couldn't contain his inner tool any longer and let it out to play. He was lucky to leave the podium still owning two testicles IMO.

http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/163923/1/pics_biaggi_and_crutchlow_get_a_bit_physical.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/163923/1/pics_biaggi_and_crutchlow_get_a_bit_physical.html)

Yeah, last year gave me some faith in Max riding well on a good bike and not being a dick. He covered that pretty well all things considered. I was actually happy he won the title and all the while he sort of behaved himself. I figured those couple of years when no one would have anything to do with him would have left a good impression on him. And his years in WSBK would seem to show that. He was never the turd he was in MotoGP. I know it's early in the season but he does seem to be showing his turdness again. I was hoping his girlfriend and new baby would take some of the asshole edge off. But I'm so often wrong! [bang] I guess we all, given time, eventually revert back to who we really are. Whether good or bad. Max is just being Max. Oh well, makes for good conversation at the very least. :P

What do even know about racing from a seat of the pants perspective ?

What Brand,, model and year bike(s) do you own ?

Have you ever taken a 90 degree sweeper at 125 mph let alone 45 degree corners at 85 mph ?

Dolph

^

Wait, isn't there already a thread somewhere dedicated to this particular pissing match, or did it get locked?

If necessary I'll make one just so it doesn't have to go here. [roll]

I'm trying real hard here but I don't quite follow what any of those questions have to do with with how you conduct yourself on the track or racing skills.

Dolph, going down that road, by asking the sort of questions that you're asking, is basically starting a battle that you will handily lose. Let's please not go there.

+1 [thumbsup]

pm sent.