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I rarely see S4s for sale -- not S4R or S4RS models, I mean the 916 engined, dss.

Were so few made?  Or are they just cherished?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mcy/2831651519.html (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mcy/2831651519.html)

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/2803081254.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/2803081254.html)


horded in California. ;D

yeah, saw those..  nothing on the east coast at all  :-/

Why would you want one anyway, they come with steel tanks.




 [cheeky]

3K on the odo?  Not really helping the stereotype.

But it looks hella clean (as it should) and would be fun to get an S4 again.

I've never owned a quattro or testa, and I like the S4's styling over the S4R, and I rather like the 916 engine.

I might grow weary of my older bikes though and that's the only fear...


lol

Wow.
I had more mileage than that in the first 6 months.
Oh, it's not 100% stock, the reflectors have been removed.  :P

They're good motos, just not that many around.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-Rare-Ducati-Monster-S4-/220948309875?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item33718ba773 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-Rare-Ducati-Monster-S4-/220948309875?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item33718ba773)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Foggy-Monster-Collector-Package-One-Kind-Jacket-Stands-Show-Winner-/290666688867?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item43ad15b163 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Foggy-Monster-Collector-Package-One-Kind-Jacket-Stands-Show-Winner-/290666688867?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item43ad15b163)

S4 is a great all rounder , fast , comfy , good looks  and once the front forks are sorted they handle brilliantly ,, i think owners are like me they dont want to part with them once they are sorted

i don't buy anything on ebay with "rare" in the title. 

while it may be somewhat true as far as the market for S4's, they are not rare bikes in the least.  plenty of people have them, they just aren't selling right now. 

the foggy is genuinely rare (and he doesn't use that idiotic term) , but I've seen them around 7-8000 in good condition.

but that is past tense and you currently aren't seeing them for that now are you?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mcy/2831651519.html (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mcy/2831651519.html)

okay....let me modify then...you aren't seeing them HERE for that price...

Maybe some truth to that..., for a while. They are smooth and swift. Only had a 4-valve for three years and sold it before I found that tree with my name on it.  ;) Picture following a row of six cars at 55 MPH for several miles and passing all six on a long straight with one downshift and reading 140 on the clock when you pull back into line...

You might miss the heartbeat of your 2-valve and the 4-valve is about half. Usually the center of gravity is higher too, depending on how sensitive you are to that.

Borrow one for the day some Sunday and see what you think. You might also find my 803 different than your 800 too.

I would have to agree I've never owned a duc before the s4 but you hit a sweet spot around 6 then your peripheral vision goes blurred and I'm not sure whether it's speed induced or vibration but on molls gap I think there's a tree or rock with my name on it and the thing is you still go back for more.

I love mine. I drove 19 hours round trip to buy it. Had a hell of a time too. It's one of those bikes that I hope I never have to get rid of... although at some point, I would love to tear it down and refresh it.

the differences in your 796 motor and my s2r800 motor are minor, same 803cc mill afaik

if you do, a 955 kit would be a sweet treat!!!

Pretty sure it's all fueling changes.

There is a foggy for sale on New Hampshire craigslist.

Not sure. Yours is 10.5:1 vs 11.1:1 for the 796; also 77 vs 87 claimed BHP and 53 vs 58 ft.lbs. The 796 is definitely making big "bangs" at idle, enough to blow your cap off if you walk past the rear of the bike.  ;)

The sales pitch was more power due to unspecified efficiencies, making dual-spark unnecessary. No idea but probably somewhat different.

hmmmm  now IM going go get those hc pistons and some dyno time.   are the valves the same at least?

No clue. Ask Donnie maybe? Anyone in CAM with a 796 you can ride? I'll wager there are more differences. The front wheel is very planted. Still nimble but not twitchy in the least.

Same displacement, but major differences.

796 has the 'DS style' heads with the plain bearing cams and short exhaust port.
Valves are different part numbers.
Likely the ports have been updated to the 'DS style'.

796 has the new thinwall cases.

hmmmm

probably cheaper to just pick up a 796 motor. . .

Or you could buy my S4 that is currently in pieces. Flaking paint on the engine, 5 flaking rockers that need replaced, and a whole lot of other flaky shit going on. I'll sell it cheap. Dammit. Thanks for letting me vent.

/rant  >:(

I've got one.   My brother dropped it, really, at about 5 mph.  Ding in the tank.  Handlebar kit.   Ohlins remote shock.  Race Tech forks, 26,000 miles.   I'm in the process of putting a new sprag clutch for the starter in it.   I ride it and it looks like it.   It's kind of dusty, there are scratches on the wheels because I change them myself.  It eats rear tires, and the fronts don't last too long either.  Leo Vince pipes, it sounds good.  Radial clutch master cylinder.  Is it worth $4500 to you?   It runs like a sumpregnant dog, it handles very well, it doesn't do anything it shouldn't, other than the starter sprag issue, it's been dead nuts reliable for almost 4 years that I've had it, although when I bought it, it ate the fuel pump wiring within 10 minutes, it was rubbing on the rear cylinder head.   Right at the moment, I'm going to put a new or maybe used starter sprag in it, I just put a starter wiring upgrade from Motolectric in it (thanks Micheal), I'm going to freshen up the shock with the guys from the Forkman at Central Coast Suspension, and it's almost time for another rear tire, I'll probably do that too.   This past summer, I did a 500 mile day on it, never missed a beat, I ride it to work almost daily (hey, I'm in California), and I have never kept a bike this long.   If it sells, KTM Superduke is in the picture.   If it doesn't, I might buy one anyway.

This bike hauls a$$.   If the road is a fairly low speed road, the excellent suspension, combined with the light weight, and stompin power, make it hard to beat.   Oh yeah, last year on the dyno, it pulled an honest 95hp and 67lb ft of torque.   Not bad for a 916.  

Almost forgot, valves were inspected at 23,000 miles, everything was in spec, belts replaced, too.  

http://s1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh592/corndog6700/ (http://s1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh592/corndog6700/)

Well, I just looked at Kelly Blue Book.  Excellent condition is $4600 or so.   Mine isn't excellent, but the nice ones that I see are about $6000 or $7000.   Make an offer if interested, but I seriously doubt if it will sell, so I'll probably just ride it forever.   The Ducati dealer didn't want to take it in trade for a new Multistrada.  

location?

[stupid face]

nah, if i'm going to ship it i'm going to get a perfect one.. thanks preisker

Here's a Foggy in New Hampshire: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcd/2799290977.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcd/2799290977.html)

That looks nice.

I still like the SSS on the S*R/S. Personal preference I guess.

here's a couple local S4's...

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/2850533901.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/2850533901.html)

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/2843889450.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/2843889450.html)

oh wait, wrong kind of S4's...teeheeeheeeheee

I tested one once. Loved the motor, but being a short arse I didnt like the seat height, weight or c of g at all. A big fella might like it.

Mine is actually pretty low, C of G and all.   Unless you're 4 foot 5, I don't see how you can consider it too tall.

The first time I rode it, I wasn't too impressed, throttle response seemed wonky, wasn't used to the brakes, or how it turned, it turned out that I was just not riding it right.   Now, it's my favorite bike, but having a Short Attention Span, I'm always looking for something else, not necessarily better, just different.


I didn't mean any offense by the "4 foot 5" remark.   If that is you're height, you are going to have a hard time finding a bike anyway.

I don't intend to be harsh against other people's choice of bike, just offerreing Tiz a ride impression.
I'm 5'8", short compared to most of my mates who are over 6'.

It's certainly a personal thing as I didn't like the feel of the taller motor and how it was raised in the chassis compared to the M900. The weight was higher and there was more of it which goes against my preference for light bikes. Some riders  prefer a more substantial bike that's more planted and the S4 is a substantial bike. I didn't feel "over" the weight of the bike, but a bigger rider might have the weight  more "gathered up" under them. For example, I reckon the TL1000S and TL1000R are absolute boats, but a buddy reckons they feel great, but he's 6'2" and 220. Conversley some small riders like the thrill of hanging on for dear life on a large bike. I raced mostly Formula 400 and Supersport and like small, light bikes.

The power and smoothness of the motor made my M900 feel agricultural. Although the motor felt smooth and sophisticated in power delivery it became brutal as the revs climbed, the old iron fist in velvet glove description. Very impressive.

The ride position was roomy and a taller guy might like that.

Might well suit Tiz. Just trying to give him my impression.
Shows you gotta test ride to know whether it suits you.

I've not ridden one, but have sat one it and felt the weight.

I'm 6'1" and it was fine for me, with some rearsets although I could manage.

I am just getting itchy for one before htey get too old...

You'll love the motor, it just keeps going and going compared to a 2 valver.

I wasn't greedy, only wanted to be 6' even, my Grandad was 6'4-6'6, but I only got his ears and temper! [laugh]

you're better suited to be a racer than me..  all the successful racers are short to mid height.

only tall ones... ?  sete gibernau?  he looked like a stork on a toddler's tricycle.

The fastest guys I know are those little guys, a lot of the pros, are about 5'6 or so. 

You're right about the S4, the power is pretty damn good.   Mine, like I mentioned was 95 hp and 67 lb ft at the wheel, I would assume a 120 hp S4RS would be just that much more fun.   I thought about doing some hotrod work on my S4, but it's real reliable right now, and I'd hate to screw that up, make it peaky and eat spark plugs and whatnot.   The only place it lacks is when the road really opens up, and the big bores start really rolling, after 120-130, they just pull away.  Any less than that and the S4 holds its own.

 [thumbsup] 5' 5" - 5' 9" seems to be the norm.

Agreed with koko64's comments too regarding the 2V vs 4V CG and handling, although handing is a very subjective thing. Same with the 2V vs 4V power characteristics which he described accurately IMO. Compromises, compromises...  8)

Ducatiz, why the search for the S4?  You already have the SR800.  I'm assuming you have it modified they way you like it.  If you want more power, find a DS1000 or 1100 from a Monster, SS, or Sport Classic.  Have Donnie work it over and you'll have the 95hp of that S4, but a lot more torque, more like 82 ft/lbs at the rear wheel.  Those numbers were with a fairly conservative street motor build.  More horsepower could have been gained with cams and larger valves.

BTW, I'm going to the performance engine building seminar this Saturday at DucPond.  You should look into it.  It might be right up your alley.  It is an all day class.   :)

I don't know.

The DS1000 doesn't do anything for me.

The 916 does.

Plus I like the DSS bikes I just don't want another 2v with the same basic setup as my S2R.

I don't mind duplication.  I have 3 SS bikes (although one is a 600ss)

Call me weird.

okay...you are weird!

says the guy who rides a gran canyon...

So you are keeping the S2R and looking for a S4.  That makes sense to me.   [thumbsup]

Of course, I love that bike.  I would sell some, but probably not that one.  It still needs work.. :-)

you'de be riding one too if you thought you could sneak it under the wifely radar or had the fortitude to pull the trigger on a couple of em I've sent you and kept it at Ben's...LOL

so are you the kettle and i'm the pot?   ;D

no...I am just being the enabler and the one you point to as "the other cool kids that are doin' it" !!...LOL

Still interested in an S4?  This one is local to you.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Monster-s4-916-engine-M900-Ducati-2002-/270937805654?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3f1526d356#ht_500wt_1021 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Monster-s4-916-engine-M900-Ducati-2002-/270937805654?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3f1526d356#ht_500wt_1021)

I saw that one.  I need to cull the herd first... :-/

So...which is slated to go?

And the vulltures are circling....

its funny i owned a 916 years ago and a couple of years back got onto an s4 for stupid cheap money

around 5500 was when the 916 came on song

same for the s4

love it  but do miss the 916 style and handling

I have a 1981 Darmah SS and a 1954 R51 that I plan to sell.

Darmah?  Must resist...don't want kickstart...too heavy...too hard to get parts for...who am I kidding [drool]

I think its the engine that makes the s4 special because it looks the same as any other monster at least thats what made me bye mine and its not for sale. I've never owned any other ducati so maybe that disqualifies me from comenting but thats what I believe.

Yeah, some guy was telling me his S2R1000 was faster than my S4, but it's not even close.   And with the Ohlins, my bike handles like a Mofo compared to the Sachs rear on his pogo stick.  Another friend has an 800, it's in a different area code, it's so slow.   Same dead shock too.  

The S4's are really underrated, they get it on, and very few bikes will run with them.   On a tight road, they will run with pretty much anything.   All with a bit less than 100hp.

I want another bike, I'm really looking at a KTM Superduke 990R, or a standard 990, the Multistrada 1200s, or a Tuono, but the KTMs seem to be the best deal.  I'll probably keep the S4, since I'll never get much money for it.

Weren't the 916 motors rated at around 115?

101

S4R 996 : 113

Here's one on ebay that's on the east coast. However, the ad is very stingy with information.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-Rare-Ducati-Monster-S4-/220987822469?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3373e69185#ht_500wt_1064 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-Rare-Ducati-Monster-S4-/220987822469?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3373e69185#ht_500wt_1064)

<Ahem>

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcd/2918164830.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcd/2918164830.html)

 [coffee]

NYC Craigslist:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/mcy/2963256342.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/mcy/2963256342.html)

Gotta love that header wrap.  [puke]

A bit odd, those pics and the license plate frame are from SoCal.

somebody moved... it's too thorough to be a scam..

nice bike tho

I love that the bike is "jetted"......how the hell do you jet an F.I. bike exactly?

like this?

(http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/images/SCOOTE2PScopy.jpg)

now that is just plain silly!....the cornering clearance is just clearly compromised in that configuration...

well you asked..

(http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2010/06/26/motorcycle-with-jet-shaped-rear_i9YIO_3868.jpg)

if that made sounds like George Jetson's car when running, I'd totally ride it!

Right after the wrap and the jetting come ALL Fluids!