Ducati Monster Forum

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Sexy... [thumbsup]

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Hmmm.  I'm not a fan; perhaps it will grow on me.

The headlight isn't bad, though.

Yeah, I think I like the first third of the bike and the last third, but not the middle... To my eyes, some great things and some not so great things.

Monster anyone??

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I'm liking the potential there.  Clean up the mufflers & the license plate bracket=winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piS_c1ZD2Ak&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piS_c1ZD2Ak&feature=player_embedded)

A new exhaust would help a lot...as it does for most bikes.

Tank shape looks pretty good.

I don't know about the trellis "frame". I prefer to see more of a frame, but it may grown on me. Ducati is really embracing the frameless concept.

That's been the norm for just about every Monster ever.

I was afraid I would be bummed I bought a 2013.  I am not.  

While I love the HP of the 2014 I do not like the looks all that much.  It is for lack of a better term, "busy".  Almost no trellis at all, an oil cooler I would break sooner or later, grab rails that when removed make the cowl look strange.

It is too much "glop" it now looks like nearly every one else's naked bike.  Add to that it looks like they either partnered with Rizoma or took a serious look at their accessories and copied the style.  All that being said, nice headlight!  145hp is sweet and I wish I had that much extra power.  Not that I need it as I can't ride my bike to it's 100hp limits.

New signature line (I don't like New, New gen Monsters) lol







 

I like it.  Like previous water-cooled Monsters, it has a lot more visual mass in the front.  I've ridden this engine (in the Diavel & Multistrada) and think it will be a fine choice for a lighter bike like this Monster.  The headlight is now fixed.  I still can't get over the previous line through the middle.  It looked better when done in black like the Diesel version, but still it was a silly styling move.  It looks like they might have lowered the tail section a little.  Without the design requirement to have an under-tail exhaust system it does not need to be so high.

I'll take mine done in Diesel like colors with the black forks and headlight surround.  
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I love it!! Outfreakingstanding. I want one.
Change the exhaust, add a few farkles and it will satisfy my inner bling. I've enjoyed my 2012, but I believe it pales in comparison. I'm afraid the 1100 EVOs were just a stop gap and will end up with mediocre resale value.

is that a metal tank?

Who invited Mr. Burns to the party.
(http://www.motorbiketimes.com/photo/ducati-monster-1200-2014-motorbike-$14095305$620.jpg)

That side view looks pretty good. Hopefully someone comes out with a set of low mount pipes...short cans with one on each side. I think that would look good. That and some bar end mirrors and it would be a pretty good looking bike.  [thumbsup]

I see they did not find a solution for the same issue that plagues all water cooled Monsters, the huge radiator.

You're 1100 Evo should be fine.  Of course it will decline in value, but it will hold steady at a certain point.  I doubt there will be any massive sell off of 1100 Evo's.  Not everybody will want the increased weight and power of the water-cooled model.  Your bike was listed as having a 169 kg dry weight and this new version has a 182 kg dry weight.  That is about a 28lbs difference.   Also, your bike has a simplicity to the look that is not possible to replicate with a water-cooled engine.  The 1100 Evo will probably continue to be sold as a model.  In the past, the air-cooled Monsters continued to be sell even when the S4-S4R were added to the lineup.

Nothing is said about it being a metal tank, so I'm pretty sure it is a set of plastic covers over an internal plastic tank just like the current Monsters.

If you look at this picture:

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It doesn't seem to have the panels. Unless they made it even harder to gain access to the plastic internal tank, then you're looking at the actual tank. And if that is the case, we know that EU is moving towards ethanol. I would not put it past them to move back to a metal tank as the StreetTriple did.

Shouldn't this be moved to its own thread?

+1

You know, you might be right.  It doesn't look the same.  I just assumed that they would have bragged about the new metal tank. However, they may not want to mention a new metal tank because that might be a public announcement that previous plastic tanks suck.

+1 on fuel capacity 4.6 gallons.

I see a 696, 796, 1200 and 1200s

1100 is DROPPED

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Interestings facts about the throttle...

From the Ducati website:

Sculptured fuel tank
The Monster's 17.5 L - 4.6 gallon (US) fuel tank represents an integral part of the bike's overall styling.
The distinctive fuel tank in pure "Monster-style" helps create the unmistakable "powerful Monster silhouette", while its metal construction and well-sculpted knee panels add a solid feel to the Monster.





I think I like it.

Like that the tank is metal....Don't like the price tage:

Monster 1200 - $13, 495
Monster 1200 S - $15,995

I dont get that. Morethan the 2012 Streetfigter ($13,300) and in the same ballpark as the Evo @ $14K.

bike looks freaking amazing -- naysayers sound like party poopers. it's a metal tank again (a la panigale), finally! this is what the evolution of Galluzzi's monster should have been. the tail comes tidy already, the diavel-inspired (sc project, anyone?) license-plate bracket is on the money.  [clap]

and the engine is un-make the beast with two backsing-real. i just got a new multistrada with the same engine, the new spark plug makes all the difference, and if you're already doing efi you might as well do licquid-cooled. those who are purists have a plethora of classics to choose from.

if i bought one, which i probably won't because i love the original best, i would probably only make one change: the frame and wheels should be gold like Senna's.

The side shot really shows how closely the lines of the tank/seat/tail follow those of the classic monster  [clap]

re the price -- it should cost more than a streetfighter. it has a bigger, better engine and a real metal tank, it has ABS and traction control. and it's their best seller at (currently but probably rising) a quarter of all the bikes they sell:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/audi-s-1b-bet-on-the-affordable-superbike-zkc4bFvdQ1ySAqBCIzz6DQ.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/audi-s-1b-bet-on-the-affordable-superbike-zkc4bFvdQ1ySAqBCIzz6DQ.html)

Love it.  [thumbsup]

Metal tank FTW.

Love that the fuel tank actually looks like a fuel tank, unlike the "middle year" (Gen II?) Monsters with the side panels.  Those just remind me of the cheesy BMW airbox covers made to look like a fuel tank.

I like the fact they kept a trellis up front, but it has the wasp-waisted look of a frameless superbike.

I like the tail.  It needs the typical aftermarket cleanup, of course... but that's a given for all production street bikes.  This one will clean up nicely.

Love that they fixed the headlight.  I hated the bar through it on the Gen II bikes.

I like the forward mass look.  Reminds me of the original S4R, which (in blue/white) is still my favorite.

So yeah... I'd hit it. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/2/id-hit-it-banana-smiley-emoticon.gif)


(Still not sold on RbW... dial-a-horsepower is cool, but I don't trust throttle-by-wire in a Japanese car, why the hell would I trust an Italian version of it when I'm on the edge of my tires mid-corner?  Digital lag sucks, and the Italians aren't exactly renowned for reliable electrics.  This is my only beef with this bike.)

This is what the new gen Monster should have been! They actually listened!

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Just one question.

How do you keep the front wheel on the ground?

Ask any S4RS owner

You mean red, right?

 I like it! Now I just need a secret garage to hide it in............
It looks to me like a very worthy successor to the S4R.

 [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer] [clap] [clap] [clap]

Ya think you can come up with an adjective besides retarded to characterize Ducati's styling choices?

On the monster line?  Not really.

DP isn't commenting on the criticism of Ducati's design choices, but rather the specific adjective used. There are plenty of more appropriate ones.

I, for one, really like the designing cues and how it is still unmistakenly a Monster.  There is every thing to like except for the price...

The Streetfighter was supposed to replace the S4R in the "New" Monster line up.  Now that we have a true liquid-cooled Monster, it makes sense that the SF1099 was gone.  So what does it mean for SF848?  Does it still have a niche?  I suppose it could live on to be the frameless SF899.

Yes. I apologize. I know why we don't use that word as a casual adjective anymore. 

blah.  Too busy. I dont like the headlight.. prefer the "gladiatior" style headlight on the previous models. grab rails, yech. OK, now for the good.  Jesus.. that engine!

Having experienced the 1198 motor...S4Rs owners have no idea. The 1198 is far and above more grunt, more refined, more of everything.

It's not bad but I like my SF a lot better... more distinctive.  That being said, I've never really liked any of the new ducs (cept the 1199) in pictures till I've seen them in person.  They just tend to look better then.

The other thing I still think the SF has over the monsters is that it's really a barely diluted sbk for the street.  This the M1200 will probably loads more useable on a daily basis but there's something to be said about having a more raw beastly bike.

 I'm seeing it as a little tiny bike with a huge monstrous motor. I could overlook the 4 valve maintenance issues for this, although I could do without the nanny software.

Doesn't matter.  Still looks like it's been punched in the face.

Maybe I'll get one more Ducati before I croak. How much does it weigh?

While the right side of the bike is workable with a shorter pipe and some CF.  The left side of the bike clearly shows why fairings are not a bad thing.  It is just so damn cluttered looking.  I wish I could talk myself into an upgrade but I can't, it is left side fugly and I see no way to fix that.

 Stay on the right side?

I'd ride it, but I don't want to make the beast with two backs it. 

RIP big cc, air-cooled monsters.   :'(

I like it.

they had me at metal tank.  it was the one thing making me look elsewhere for my next bike.

I like it!
Big plus, metal tank, and the 129 screws to remove current tank in my EVO.
Headers out, access to belts looks better WRT the EVO (which has frame right in front).
Then there is the fact that doubles the cams and valve, but now I am looking at the plusses only  ;D
Headlight looks same as EVO to me. Tail is better in the 1198.
Need more space in my garage  [roll]

I like the plate placement and the already done tail chop... will this be more or less reliable than the air cooled version?

Further... why do you think the 1100 evo was on the market for such a short period of time?

Development?  The 1100 EVO was just an evolutional development of the previous bike.  Money was already being spent on the Multistrada and various other bikes (Diavel) so they probably didn't have the funds or manpower to devote to all those projects at the same time.

Just a thought.

I love it.  Someone was asking about the weight.  I think its 28 pounds heavier than the 1100.  I think the first maintenance is at 17,000 miles.  I can't remember where I read this though.

The only thing I would do is new CF under tail exhaust, touring seat and maybe relocate the plate to under the tail. That's all.

Crap, I just spent hundreds on getting my 1100S the way I like it. 

Look for my 2010 1100S in the classifieds sometime soon! I really need 135 HP.

	Monster 1200 S	Monster 1100 Evo	SF 848	Diavel
Dry Weight (lbs)	401	373	373	463
Power (hp)	145	100	132	162

Note: 1100 evo specs taken 2nd hand since they were yanked from ducati's site...can't even get there via google cache anymore o.O.

They have a model archive on the website. It lists the 2013 evo as 373lbs and then goes on to say ABS wet weight is 414lbs.

Thanks! Fixed.

I wonder if the 28 lb difference in dry weights between the 1100 EVO and this new 1198 version would be a bigger difference when comparing ready to ride weights since the water-cooled bike has more fluids?

The S4RS chassis could have been a lot better to compliment the power it put out. I hope this bike does not exaggerate the problem. Sounds like a baby-Diavel straight line bike to me.

 looks like the rear tire just run over some cow pie.  [laugh] [laugh] [thumbsdown] [coffee]

the more i look at it, the more i want to buy it! but i just got a new multi that seems to do everything in the world right, and i'd feel like i'm cheating on my '99 m900. how can i justify this purchase? is there any room? can wait to test drive it [bang]

My thoughts as well.


Overall, I like it, but I still prefer the full trellis frame and classic headlight of the original monsters.

I could see me looking for a used one in 4-5 years time.

Looks like a lovely bike for someone who can't find a nicely kitted S4Rs or S4RT.  ;D


Does look like the right direction, tho, and they've done a good job given modern contraints and opportunities.

I freakin love it. Love that they got rid of the little vent panels on the side of the tank. Love the new tank shape. Love the clean tail. That engine is beast! The headlight is vastly improved although I may need to get used to how the instrument cluster sits on top of the headlight so visibly I keep wanting to lower it as it looks like a little hat. I love the pipes and cant wait to see what kind of Termi option we get for this as the Diavel with Termis is one of the best sounding bikes I've ever heard. Love that you can get the S version with Ohlins! I've been wanting a 2nd bike as my Monster is getting long in the tooth and is half the CC's of this bike but still looks and runs great. I've been looking at the Streetfighter, Diavel and even used Sport 1000s but this bike makes me seriously consider a 2nd Monster as it's substantially different from my old beloved 620 Dark. Which speaking of will this bike come in black? The Panigale still doesnt. I'd really want one in black either gloss or flat. Overall I'm a huge fan and if they do the Audi financing deal like they do on the Diavels I will really be compelled to pull the trigger.

This.  [thumbsup]

I like this new bike.
But I don't need 145 hp. Hell, I don't even need 100hp on a moto.  [laugh]

It weighs exactly the same as the SF848?

When viewed from the left side... Where is the vertical cylinder? It seems to be just a dark impenetrable mass. Or maybe it's just my eyes.


The Monster is, by nature, not a straight-line bike.


Yea, not a fan of the license plate holder. It adds to the unsprung weight and detracts from the rear meat.

The last of the air-cooled big blocks is gone.  :'( Long live the king.

Overall, this is a machine that will have plenty of fans.

But wait.... Where is the bikini fairing?!  [bang] Okay, just kidding.  ;D

More info/video  http://www.eicma.it/en/2013/11/eicma-2013-stand-ducati/ (http://www.eicma.it/en/2013/11/eicma-2013-stand-ducati/)

It's listed on Ducati's website at 461 lbs wet.
http://www.ducatiusa.com/bikes/monster/1200_s/tech_spec.do (http://www.ducatiusa.com/bikes/monster/1200_s/tech_spec.do)

That being said, I love it. It looks a lot more like the original in its profile. It is a thoroughly modern bike with all the ABS/TC/Riding Modes you can throw at it. And anyone who's ridden in the rain with a tail chop can tell you why that license plate holder is GOLD.

I intend to put a deposit on an "S" this week, RED, delivery in March. My M900 will finally get a break and become more local and special events, still looks great and runs good but with 50K miles it's too special to run it into the ground. Besides what's is not to like about this new version, except more power than I really need, but DTC, adjustable seat, ergos appear to be good, ABS, larger METAL tank. This looks like a very good replacement for the S2R I sold last year. The SS will probably go up for sale, don't have enough room in the garage. I hope they have them to look at/ sit on at the IMS. - Gene

 I'm glad Ducati brought back the "S" edition to the monster line. I think the bike looks good, but not awsome enough for me to sell my 1100S just yet.  [coffee]

I just modded and tuned my bike to where it's just the way I like it.  ;)

Love the HP, just can't get over the ugly left side.  Not to mention the thing is seriously much heavier than my Monster and that is gonna cost some fun time in the twisties.  I have dropped nearly 15 pounds off of my bike so far and have not even bought a lightweight battery yet.

The 2014 looks pretty darn nice, the metal tank, increased fuel range and nifty TFT instruments are worth a ton, as is the rear tire mud flap.  The left side of the machine is still nothing but glop, IMO it belongs under a fairing.  It would look really nice with custom rear sets, smaller cans and some carbon.  Of course that is only if you only approach the bike from the right side......

Maybe a cool aftermarket accessory for the 2014 would be a right side kickstand.  Then one could approach the bike from the right side and never really have to see that mess of a left side.   ;D   

 [beer] [clap] ;D      +1, agree 100%.

 Oh geeze, just draw a picture of some cooling fins and glue it onto the side of the bike!
I couldn't see any of the engine on the left side of my M1100S either, at least until I cut up that stupid evap holder....

best monster since the s4rs

 [thumbsup]

Maybe I'm seeing things incorrectly, but can the rearsets be swapped out?  Can you even remove the passenger pegs?  Looks like it all part of the frame.   ???

Will everyone just please hate on this so I don't have to buy one. Thx.

Hmm. that is a very good question, while I regret switching my M900 to CycleCat rearsets because my GF loved riding on it, the ability to switch my S2R for track duty was a great feature. Need to check that out. - Gene

Not I, but I would have to admit the EVO 1100 is still a great bike and a nice upgrade from the M696 so you don't have to go this far. - Gene

Looks like a Diavel got out of it's pen and boned an Evo. [roll]

Ducati and just about every other manufacturer keeps producing bikes that are better and better, more sophisticated, more powerful, more everything. 

What they can't do is turn back progress, because nobody would buy it.  The other thing they can't do is improve on the pure, uncluttered aesthetic of an air cooled full trellis frame Monster.

Don't agree. Well, half agree. Yes, more grunt. Yes, better fuelling down low in stock form. No, not more of everything.

I've ridden a 2013 version about 60 miles and it seemed a bit dull, by comparison. Misses out on the camminess of that 999-derived motor.

Of course, some might like that.

Much longer wheelbase on the 1200, too. Nearly 60 inches.  ??? Must be nearly as long as the Multistrada.

In todays market it is all about numbers to most new buyers.  Ducati was trailing pretty far behind the competition there.  At least the New Duc will have appeal to folks (lots of comments here about people liking them) and while I do not have to like the new one much I am glad that the brand will remain solvent.

Now I just need to see someone make a Superbike fairing for the new Monster so I could hide the left side from my tender eyes.   ;D   

Better shot of the rearsets.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/a5aguja8.jpg)

Bolts behind the cover?

It's better looking than the last generation.  It has a metal tank.  In a bold move for the monster line, the stock mirrors don't look like ass.  I agree that it looks cluttered.  I'd like to see more of the engine, and less plastic.  I think that 145hp is way more than I need.  I wonder if they will have a 'low end' Ducati like my 620 dark that will get Ducati fans on a budget on the brand they want to ride.  I love that with every current Ducati being water cooled, used air cooled hypermotards and monsters will be cheaper (anyone know if an 1100 evo motor will fit in a Sport 1000s frame?)  

So I think it is an evolutionary step in the right direction,  some of the details will no doubt be cleaned up in the coming model years.  I certainly wouldn't give it back if one found it's way to my parking space, but I'm not at the OMG I must buy it! level of interest.

IMO they should have never dropped the frame, it's part of the appeal.  The price is way too high IMO, I'll get a Multi instead.

The seat height is a limiting factor on the Multi(and the Hyperstrada for that matter). I think the price is about right for what you are buying and significantly cheaper than the MTS 1200 or the Diavel. - Gene

That photo doesn't look good for aftermarket rearsets, or getting rid of the passenger pegs. Bummer if that's the case.

Wheelbase - just checked: 1511 mm for the Monster 1200; 1530 for the Multi 1200. About 3/4 inch between them.

The S4Rs is down at 1440mm. That 71mm difference is nearly 3 inches which is a lot.

Starting to sound like a whole different kind of bike. More in the Diavel mould. Big fat cruiser that corners okay.

But who knows, Ducati has probably done something special with it that makes it work. Hope so. 8)

I am certain that someone will make rearsets.  Looks like an easy mod.  Damn I hate the left side of that bike.....

  Way to "busy" for me. Gonna miss the 2V engine. Who knows, the air cooled bikes may be in high demand someday. Have you priced an air cooled Porsche lately?!

Don't forget the extra 28lbs.  Longer and heavier is IMO not the right direction for a Monster.  I can't wait to weigh my EVO as the box of stock parts I removed has a fair bit of heft.....

Looks HR Giger inspired. I assume this is the concept art they were working off of  ;D

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3011/3108648564_2b68e9377b.jpg)

^^^ [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Actually none of the weight or wheelbase numbers bother me, on paper you would have a very wrong impression of the Diavel. I've ridden the Diavel, 530 miles in fact, and while I admit it is not at all like my M900, the weight and length did not affect how effective that bike is on all sorts of roads, it is a very competent motorcycle and includes the smile factor for me, something the MTS does not do. - Gene

it's either a grand above the base multi or 3 grand above for the touring.  You can find a good used one for 13 and up

Put a little back rest and some saddlebags on the 2014 Monster and Voila!  The Monstrada!  

Why bother buying a Diavel or a Multi......  Same motor, longer wheelbase and more weight.

Not exactly sure what you are saying, the Monster 1200 is $14K, the 1200S is $16K. The MTS 1200 base is $17K and the Tour model is $20K. The Diavel base is $19K, $19.5K for Strada version. The best deal going is probably the Hyperstrada at $14K but the bags suck, it is the same height as the MTS, and the motor is that 821. - Gene

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2013/ducati/multistrada/1200/prices/129111/05/ (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2013/ducati/multistrada/1200/prices/129111/05/)
Pricing for the Monster in the American market will be $15,995, available in March 2014.

a grand difference

I like the looks and appreciate Ducati's choice to go back to a metal tank.

I'm curious if the U.S. version will be plagued with stalls and stutters because of the emission requirements.   ...or if a "performance" solution will be made available?

In Italy is even worse. Same number, but in Euro  :-X

To my eye.... all that plumbing shit would look great..

...behind a fairing.

If you're gonna be naked, be beautiful.  This one needs some clothing IMO.

^^^^ Been saying that since I first saw it.  There is a reason 95% of the pictures you will see online or on the Ducati site show just the right side......

I think if i upgrade power wise, i will go SF...

Well there goes my social life. Well said, though.

Starting to think they have aimed it at a slightly more mature crowd. Here's Ducati's blurb on the size from the "tailored ergonomics" (http://ducati.com/bikes/monster/monster_1200_s/chassis/tailored_ergonomics/index.do) part of their website:



And then this from the "Monster design" (http://ducati.com/bikes/monster/monster_1200_s/concept/monster_design/index.do) section:


So there you go: built for two, and some sort of saddlebags on the DP accessory list.

Not quite where the Monster has been, but not a bad way to go for many possible buyers, I'm guessing.

Yes I know the originals used to have bags available.

The extra size helps explain the weight. There is also stuff like the bigger fork tubes - Ohlins 48mm like on the big Multi, rather than the S4Rs 43s.

That's interesting, the 185/175 pretty much describes me and my GF.

And it's a bit cramped for us on a Gen 2 or 3 Monster.
Not any chance I'm going to buy an M1200, so all a bit moot....

So is this Generation 4? Aka, does the ST framed M900 / M1000 from '02-04ish count as a separate generation ?

I agree, it's busy but prob looks a lot better in person, like the S4s.  Hope it sells well w many iterations. How about a smaller one..821.
It sounds like Ducati may be moving away from entry level bikes.

Am i missing something here, or does the monster 1200 not have a gear indicator??

I couldn't find any info that the monster has one, neither on any of the photos of the dash.
That's pretty ridiculous considering it has the same dash as the panigale.

Anybody got any infos or pics to prove me wrong??

What?  Not even a Hello first?

Gear indicator?  See there is a reason we need a NOGAS thread  [laugh]

Boom tubes would great on this puppy :)

sorry, meant to say 'would look great'

IMO that will be faded out, with the coming on Liquid Monster.

I'm of the mind that a Monster should only be air cooled. This is why I liked the idea of the SF. It was purposely designed to have a water cooled engine. When looking at the sales numbers, you might say that it was a failure, but if you take the S4* sales independent to the rest of the Monster line, you'll probably see similar numbers. I for one prefer having the 2 separate, but keeping with the cost cutting trend, you see why Ducati decided to merge the 2 segments back into 1 bike. It is still better looking than the "new" Monster, even if it falls far short of the "original".

Yeah, the left side is a little busy....but damn.  :o

WANT!

I've been wanting to upgrade from my 2010 696.  I love the bike, but I would like a little more power.  I've been eyeing the Diavel for a while, but if they make a black version of this 1200, I may be sticking to the Monster family when it comes time to upgrade.  I think it looks great.  I prefer having the dual exhaust split on either side of the bike, but the increase in HP will be amazing.  Can't wait to test drive it. :)

 The most important view is between the mirrors......

I like that they've finally started putting the plate mount on the mud guard. If you're not into it, easy enough to replace the old fashioned way. We all like the metal tank until the bike gets tipped over and you have to replace it. The side covers were good for that IMO, fuel cell expansion issues aside. Typically, a water cooled monster doesn't make everyone happy in the Monster community because that's kind not what Monsters are about but that's the future given the EU emissions laws that everyone's going to need to comply with. Sure, Ducati could do a better job of making it clean but there's really no way to hide a radiator on a naked bike is there?

Plastic tank expansion/deformation is only an issue in some markets.  In Australia the fuel tanks are made from a different material than tanks destined for US market.  Also we're not compelled to deal with ethanol in  our fuel.  So for me the downside of plastic is non-existent whilst the benefit of having interchangeable exterior panels is all good.  I can see how US buyers would welcome the reintroduction of a steel tank though.

I agree not an issue and it lends itself to our ever changing moods but on the other hand I do like the look of the 1200s and I am quite happy to park it in the garage with the left side against the wall  ;D!

Proof will be in the riding and the price as I would hazard a guess and say we (OZ) will be adding $10K to the American price!

Needs a belly pan and new exhaust. From what I'm reading here a bikini fairing might sell well too.

Hoping the S sells for under $25k Aussie. Under $20k would be nice too but I'm not getting my hopes up.

M1200 Most beautiful bike at EICMA??

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ducati-monster-1200-the-most-beautiful-bike-of-show-at-2013-eicma-photo-gallery-70725.html (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ducati-monster-1200-the-most-beautiful-bike-of-show-at-2013-eicma-photo-gallery-70725.html)

I don't quite understand how people can be so hung-up on how the plumbing on the left hand side looks ... I think the plumbing on the right hand side is far from aesthetically pleasing - and the right hand side is far more obvious.

it's still missing a frame.  [bang]

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Let's see pics of all the others and then vote!

None of the plumbing is attractive to my eye.  Some of it is more worserer though  ;)

Think they should have gone to SpecSavers... ;) ;)

Geoff... [coffee]

I'd rock that biznitch up 'n' down the coast!   [Dolph]

No thanks, looks like Diavel mated with a Monster. :-\

Yup

I already said this, but I'm seeing a lot of repeat hating, so I repeat... I'd hit it.

Is it perfect?  No bike is.  I have a list of mods I'd make.  Honestly though?  That list is no more extensive than the mods I wanted to make to the S4R when it came out, and I thought that blue-and-white beast was sexy as hell.


Tasteful aftermarket exhaust to clean it up a little.  Remove the mud fender since I'd only ride it in fair weather (the GC is better suited for rain).  Hide the license plate somewhere discreet but lawfully visible.  Replace the handlebars with clip-ons.  Then wait and see what other clean-up type mods become available.  Once I had my hands on it and was able to take a good look, I'd probably start figuring out ways to tidy up the wiring and plumbing.

But mods aside, the point is: I'd rock it.  It looks good.  It looks fun.  I like the tank, I like the tail, I like the overall geometry and proportions.  The more I think about air-cooled simplicity, the more I think I'd just get a Sport Classic or MH900e to park in the garage and drool over.  The M1200?  I'd ride it and enjoy the heck out of it.

Amazing that all the technology advances on this new monster got overlooked and all the discussion about not liking it has been focused on the look. Now if it was as butt ugly as an MTS I'd understand it, but it ain't so I don't. As for plumbing I say BS that plumbing seemed to fade away when an S4RS was ridden in anger. Do I wish it looked as good as my M900 maybe, but the technical improvements on this new monster are hard to overlook. To each his own but   assuming it fits me one will be parked in my garage next to my M900. I think the SS will be the one that gets booted to make room. - Gene

Dito  [thumbsup]

Me likey  [thumbsup] not parting with my s4r though

Hate?  No hating here.  I don't hate it, I just find the clumsy waterworks unappealing to behold.

I have no doubt that this will be a far more powerful piece of technology than my M1100s.  And you're right, it's gonna be a huge blast to ride.  And you're right again, that plumbing is not gonna wipe the smile off your face when you're riding the thing  [thumbsup] [thumbsup].

So it's a fabulous piece of motorcycle weaponry  [thumbsup]









But it still looks like a bowl of half eaten spaghetti when it's parked IMO.

Walking out to the shop I find myself often staring at the 2013 in total appreciation of it's simplicity, clean lines and svelte look.  I find myself staring at it like a fine painting in an art gallery.

I had one of the first CBR 600F2's in California.  At the time it was the single most wicked 600cc tool in the box for a spirited canyon ride.  I never found myself staring at it like I do the Duc. 

The 2014 may be a great tool but if I am going to own a water cooled bike it won't be that one.  Why?  If all I care about is a took that shreds the road, has big hp and ride without looking at it, I would go KTM.....

Being a Duc loyalist is fine and I truly understand.  However if it's all about the technology?  Better stuff out there.

Funny.. I heard the same negative comments when I bought the S4RS...

I like it. Maybe  don't need a Multistrada yet.

Are there issues with it aesthetically:  Likely yes (as opinions vary), but what bike FROM THE FACTORY doesn't have aesthetic issues?!?  (Outside of maybe the MHe...  [drool] )

But, aren't we the same sick-n-twisted bunch of bastids who have an ENTIRE board names 'Accessories & Mods'?!? 

Aren't we modding fools? 

Don't we spend oodles of $$$ on farkles and changes only 'us' really want to see?!?

So, yes, it's got aesthetic issues out of the box.  BUT, rest assured...  We'll find a way to make it ass-kickin'!

Besides, we made the '09-13 Monsters look pretty good...  I think we can handle this one.  [thumbsup]

I insist that the 1200 should have been what the "new" Monster should have looked like when they came out with the 696. One of the first mods would be to get a smaller radiator.

+1

Good choice.


Now you're just being silly.

Perhaps, but this is the first Monster since the S4Rs that makes my jeans tight and my thoughts turn to hooliganism, and with 145hp on-tap (more w/Termi's & the Termi-race-mapping) it'll be a hoot!

You sure it isn't the burritos causing that?

Quite sure...  [evil]

I like the tank, i want to see it in person see the size of it.It looks pretty bulky

Things I like are the rear fender, the headlight, the mirrors, and the power.

Things I don't like are the weird distorted trellis, the look of the more upright stance (though I'm sure it's more comfortable), the tail section, the extended wheelbase, the added weight, the exhaust heat shield, and the fact that it's water-cooled.

It looks better than the Diavel, but not enough like a Monster.  I'm sure plenty of people said the same thing when the 696 and 1100 were released (and some are still saying it ;)).

I like it, much more faithful to the original monster... and agreed it looks like a mating of the SF, but that's okay too.  Evolution and all that.  Not a fan of the borg-looking mid-section though.

One thing I'd like to see though as a tribute to the original monster is an available bikini fairing.  At least they lost the wedding-veil/head-dress fairing though.    ;)

I'm not a fan of the exhaust routing, looks too much like the Diavel.
Doesn't have the solid look of the S4RS with the cheap look of plastic to boot :o
Will be hanging onto this for now:
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/zaster99/S4RS008.jpg)

Honestly I'd take the 1200 for the DSP over the S4RS no matter how much better it looks :/.

You can't please everybody but considering all the changes in this model they got a lot of things right. I think it's a very respectable addition to the Monster Lineup & the Ducati family.

I like it. Are all of those with negative comments forgetting that we Ducatisti rarely leave our bikes stock?  Consider the qualities of the bike as a starting point for your modding bug to feed on.   

The M1200 was ok and all... and then I saw this:

(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/streetfighter/298521-replacement-streetfighter-imageuploadedbymotorcycle1384254100.518930.jpg)

pierbon framed 1199 streetfighter... if the m1200 looked like this, I dont think we'd have anyone making a fuss over the looks :P

agreed  [thumbsup]

 :o [drool] :o [drool] :o [drool]

I do like the look, but that isn't a real bike, just a well done photoshopped picture.

We can hope and dream though  ;D

Hell yes.

Yup, but it shows to me that you can have a frameless engine with a almost full trellis frame... something about the way the trellis extends further into the bike just makes it look so much better to me.  And while, yes, it might be a bit heavier... I think the monster line has always been a bit more about looks rather than the 5lbs a larger trellis might have added to the weight.

StreetFighter 2.0. Make it happen Audi.

They did make it happen. M1200 is SF2 IMO.

The sad thing is is that you're probably right, it's just a pity that ducati called it a streetfighter and not a monster with a couple of numbers or letters, personally I think it would have kept the price of insurance down... [bang]

Geoff... [coffee]

What is photoshoped ? The frame was presented at EICMA.  http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Pierobon-trellis-frame-Ducati-1199-Panigale-11.jpg (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Pierobon-trellis-frame-Ducati-1199-Panigale-11.jpg)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJ54Rqh1zvE/Unl7EWdNzcI/AAAAAAAAf4s/rv9wwKEdKwA/s1600/pierobon-trellis-frame-ducati-1199-panigale-01+(1).jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJ54Rqh1zvE/Unl7EWdNzcI/AAAAAAAAf4s/rv9wwKEdKwA/s1600/pierobon-trellis-frame-ducati-1199-panigale-01+(1).jpg)

A fairingless Panigale with a trellis frame feels more like an SF2.0 imho since the current SF was basically a naked version of their superbike at the time. But since rumors are out that the SF will be DC'd you are probably right.

I tend to agree. With the introduction of the liquid cooled 1200, I think their plan is to get rid of the SF.
If *I* would be Ducati CEO, I would rise the bar, and make the new SF2 with the DesmoSedici engine  [evil]

Here in Oz the SF1098 was to darn expensive and after a phone call from Ducati today it sounds like the M1200s will be quite the pocket (piggy bank....kids piggy bank.......tuition fund.....left testicle.....possibly one kidney) emptier as well! They will have to sharpen their pencil somewhat if they are gonna sell well here!

I love the look of the new new monster and as well mentioned before some aspects better then others but overall it is a worthy upgrade in both looks imo and obvious power over my M1100 but if it's going to be more expensive then a 899(AUD$22,500 ride away apparently) I will have to seriously consider..........just keeping my M1100! Last of the big bore dry clutch monsters.....will have to go up in value wont it???  ;D

Sort of like the last of the V-8's?
Mad Max - Last of the V8's Scene (Original Aussie Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDLeo4lcCg#)

I was thinking the same thing, but I wasnt going to mention it.. because obviously im biased.  But this whole thing has me appreciating my 2009 m1100 more than ever.  I think it will be considered the last of the air cooled, NON COMPUTER  controlled ducati motorcycles. Ie: no fancy computer software to save me from my own ham fisted stupidity. NO ABS. NO DTC. dry clutch, air cooled .. underseat highmount exhaust! yaaaaaaa boyyyeeeeeee!

 It is because of those things that I have some misgivings about giving up mine........

oo, im not giving up mine. The way i see it.. its the only monster where the single sided swing arm is completely clean on one side. Not blocked by muffler or passenger pegs. Its the slickest rear in my humble opinion.

Has anyone wondered how they get a torque and power difference between the standard model and the "S" but with the maxima at precisely the same revs?

Doesn't make sense, or not to me, unless there is some sort of artificial restriction on the non-S motor.

By artificial I mean a restriction that does nothing but choke the std bike so that they can justify charging more for the "S". (Or so that they can satisfy their marketing department, which tells them that people are confused when Ducati's "S" models have no more engine performance than their cheaper sisters.)

So how do they do it? The website says:


Well, my first thought was that Ducati's PR department had made a mistake with the quoted figures. Wouldn't be the first time.

But that bit about the dedicated RbW mapping got my attention.

Hmmm RbW mapping. What's that? The first thought is that it has something to do with the fuel and ignition mapping, but that doesn't make a lot of sense. It is not as though they'd be wanting to run the standard bike even leaner than they have to for emissions control, or as though they'd be wanting to retard the ignition enough to cut 10hp out of the motor at a given rpm.

Besides, we've heard that term before: other Duc models are said to have different throttle maps for the various modes. But all that means is that the relationship between the throttle grip position and the throttle-body butterflies is tweaked.

So, how can adjusting the throttle map make a difference of 10hp at 8750rpm?

All right ... my guess: on the std bike the butterflies don't open all the way.  :o

Simple as that. After all, that is exactly how they restrict, say, the Multistrada to 100hp in Urban mode.

Could it be that silly? Does anybody have a better suggestion?

That is a very disturbing hypothesis.  >:(

RbW == Ride by Wire
The mapping between the twist angle of the throttle and the opening is electronically controlled, so the can map a more linear behavior.

Yeah, I had to google Rbw and figured that out but that would mean the only difference would be the map that is installed.

You're assuming that the butterflies open all the way on the S model.
They may not.
All it means to me is that you can get 'S' power in your 'standard' model with just a ECU reflash or the like.
Likely heaps cheaper than if they got that 10HP with different hardware.

I'm curious as to who thinks they can feel the difference between 135 and 145 on the street.....

Exactly, while you will have bragging rights to those who don't know any better, what you are paying for and the reason to get an"S" is the suspension. - Gene

And even then it's not the "full fat" Ohlins stuff.

But a good bargain for the price difference.

Yep - Gene

This CycleWorld video provides some good views of the new Monster.  I like the side profile view at the 1:00 minute mark.

http://www.cycleworld.com/videos/popular_videos/first_look__2014_ducati_monster_1200_and_1200_s_at_eicma_2013/ (http://www.cycleworld.com/videos/popular_videos/first_look__2014_ducati_monster_1200_and_1200_s_at_eicma_2013/)

 [laugh] [laugh]  Guy said it looked like a Junior Diavel.   [laugh] [laugh]

I like the Diavel but I think the two look totally different and for me there is only one little thing wrong with a Diavel that I think the new monster solves. I've ridden the Diavel 500+ miles and you are locked into a seating position that isn't right for extended rides, my knees and hip do not like the position. I could live with the small sacarafice in handling over my Monster but the seating position kills the deal. It's a shame too, because the local dealer has that blue/white "Cobra" version that he is willing to deal on. I'm hoping the extra length and weight on this new Monster doesn't spoil the handling. - Gene

 I think that the extra wheelbase is necessary to keep it from looping.

Well, I just meant the butterflies will open further on the S model, and that's where the extra power will come from (hypothetically, at this point  ;D ).

The other points you make are astute, tho. As you say, on the street this bike won't see much full-throttle use. Especially full-throttle use somewhere near the torque peak or beyond, where it's helpful. So the main "felt" difference between the std bike and the "S" will be more precise throttling on the std (because the grip movement controls less butterfly movement).

And yes, I was certainly thinking that bumping power on the "S" by fitting a different camshaft or more compression would have been more legitimate than restricting max throttle on the std.

But I suppose that's just luddite thinking.

Somehow offering a restricted throttle map still seems a bit fake tho. Perhaps it's because Ducati uses technical language to obscure what is really going on. Why don't they just come straight out and say: "The throttles will open further on the 'S'"? (Assuming that is the set-up.)

I imagine it is because they think the plain facts would not help them sell bikes. And they might be onto something there.  [laugh]  

Edit: and there is one other thing. Normally if you have, say, a std bike with a shorter-duration cam and an "S" with a racier cam there are trade-offs in either direction. The std should have better grunt down low while the "S" has less there but breathes better up top, etc. That's in principle anyway, I know that often in practice the "tuned for torque" models just feel flatter (not talking Ducati specifically here).

But restricting the max throttle opening gives the std no advantage whatsoever over the S except possibly a bit more throttle precision. (Then again, I can see how that might be quite helpful on this bike, given how much grunt it will have. Maybe I am a luddite.  ??? )

Moronic - You are probably correct. It is probably just a matter of an ECU update that will bring the standard 1200 Monster up to the 145 hp S specs.

Doesn't the Diavel make something like 160 hp. If that is the case then maybe an ECU update could bring the Monster up to 160 hp or more. There is no reason the 1200 Monster shouldn't make the same horsepower as a Diavel. This Monster has what looks to be a very similar exhaust system as the Diavel.

With ride by wire you have to think of things a bit differently.  How far you twist the throttle is more of a torque request than an actual throttle position request.  Think of it like the GP bikes where they use throttle mapping to even out the high & low spot in the torque peak to make the bike smoother to ride.  The plus is on a base model you will get a big bump when you put the DP ECU or reflash in it.

I have confirmed there is no mechnical difference in the motor on the to models. But for $1500 dollars difference you get Ohlins front and back, lighter wheels and 10HP, works for me. - Gene

They've gone to some trouble to tune the Monster for low-end and mid-range. That is, not just the short-overlap cams but also:


The power peaks about 500rpm lower than the Diavel, probably accounts for most of the difference.

I'm looking forward to riding one. Should be an amazing street engine. A rev ceiling around 9K will still be plenty on this thing.  [evil] Hell, I almost never rev my S4Rs that hard: just no need.

Same here loved my Dark, but hated the riding position, as well as the foot placement that was awkward and uncomfortable for me... Too bad the 20-30 minute test ride didn't reveal this issue, or else I would of looked at something else.... Touring seat helped a little to move around with,, but was not willing to spend $700+ for adjustable rear sets.. That most likely will not help
I also believe that the arrangements on the M12 will solve the issue that I had with the diavel
I did look at the MS... But just not for me..... Not yet anyways

Agreed.....My Diavel with,, if I remember correctly 62"+ WB was somewhat loop-able....
with no TC
Always Loved the Harley riders reaction....

Actually that is pretty close to the price of my 2007 S4RS - I am glad to see this new bike, to me it is the next gen S4RS and the only new Ducati to tempt me to trade mine in on

Also agree tuning for a wider power band vs. high RPM horsepower is always smarter in my book. I wonder if it will have the same tendency to lift the front wheel in second and third that my S4Rs has ;D. Anyone who has ridden a 4 cylinder 600cc where the peak horsepower is at 14,000 RPM would agree as well

In the left side view (alternator side), did anyone else catch that the spark plugs are at an angle and off on the 1 side of the combustion chamber?

Perhaps the fine folks @ AUDI have made a move away from a centralized spark plug...  Curious no matter how you cut it. 

Perhaps that also (if it is the only spark plug in the chamber) accounts for some of the reduced HP from the Diavel's 160.

They're twin-plug heads, they've got the centrally mounted (typical 4-valve style) too.

Where did you get that info?  Was it for emissions?  Does the '14 Diavel have this additional sparker?

Hmmmmmm.......

Pretty sure I saw it on ducati.com

Likely for emissions, dunno about Diavel.

"The new Monster 1200 family is powered by the second generation of Testastretta 11° DS engine, smoother and with dual spark plugs and a secondary air system. Dual Spark (DS) ignition uses two plugs per cylinder to ensure complete combustion in a very short time. "

They brought in the second spark plug with the 2013 Multistrada engine. With it came the secondary air system as quoted above (which was introduced on the Panigale). SAS is same idea KTM uses and Suzuki and other Japanese brands. They allow air to be drawn into the exhaust port downstream of the exhaust valve, to help burn up any mixture escaping unburnt. This lets them shove a bit more fuel into the mix at low rpms than they could otherwise get away with. The richer mixture is supposed to help low-speed smoothness. The second plug is alleged to contribute.

It's great in theory but a fair bit of extra junk to get the result. Plus, my test rides of the 13 Multi haven't convinced me it works all that well for that engine. Better than the 2010-12, but nowhere near as good as the KTM 1190 (which has similar power up top) or the water-cooled GS (which has less outright power but gets away with only one spark plug).

With any luck they have learnt a bit more for this new Monster engine, and it will be spectacular off the bottom. We can hope.  ;D

I don't know either about the 14 Diavel. Not sure Ducati has released the spec.

SAS is one of the first things people remove on LC8 based KTMs.  It allows them to get past certain emission bits, but adds to the VERY choppy throttle response At low revs.  Plus, it makes the bike backfire like mad when coming off throttle.

The new S model is supposed to be super trick. Upgraded wheels, upgraded calipers, öhlins front and rear, and adjustable seat height.

And both models should be featuring adjustable ABS and more adjustability for traction control.

Test drove both the standard 1200 & the S today. The power & handling are exceptional. Beautiful looks. The additional 10HP on the S was noticable off the line but as it was a test ride I didnt get to really open it up & put it through its paces. The superior braking on the S was immediately noticable. The seat is incredibly comfortable for a stock seat.  I want this bike in black. Badly. Dealer told me there was no plans for black. Anyone hear different? It was 4 years till a black Panigale came out. I dont want to wait 4 years.

yup

only white and red . . .

I picked up my new monster yesterday.  :)

I agree that the power, handling and the brakes on the new 1200 S is exceptional!  It is by far the MOST fun I've had on a bike.  I would even say its more fun than my 1199 S  [evil]

As for color, only Red and White for now.  Dealer said that more colors will eventually be available but probably not for a year or two (typical Ducati lifecycle).

The only gripes I have is that I can't ride by the 'balls' of my feet (damn exhaust/passenger pegs get in the way), the mirrors are the most worthless on any duc I've owned, the water pipes really need a cosmetic upgrade, exhaust sounds like a helicopter, and the clutch is so stiff that I can't find neutral until the bike reaches 190 degrees+ (I might have air in the line, will check it tomorrow).  Oh, and you can't lower the seat without removing the seat cowl but luckily they have a low seat available.

Now I just need to wait for aftermarket parts...  ;D

Happy for you and glad you like the new bike as I'm sure many will be with a purchase. It is also of note that you are already a Ducati owner, which makes it even better. But I also believe it will also attract riders from other brands. - Gene

The clutch slave should break in over time. I had the same problem with the Monster 1198S I test rode but the regular 1198 was much easier to find Neutral in as they had that model first and it had been ridden more.  The S did get better after it warmed up but it was still a bit of a pain. If it doesnt improve for you an after market clutch slave like a Brembo or Duc Perf is an easy mod.

1200 Standard or S ... Is the S worth the money to you? Or would you rather go Standard & spend that money on a Termi Exhaust? Just curious what the consensus is?

You said the HP difference and superior braking was immediately noticeable. Seems that answers your own question.

the S model has 10 more HP and it's all in the 3 ECUs, exhaust is basically the same, just black

Termis, do come in 3 flavors, "homologated" slip ons, full exhaust w/upmap and slip-ons w/upmap . . . NO idea if the USA will get what . . . M50 calipers on the S as in the Panigale and in the regular the ones found in MTS1200 and other models . . .

The key aspect of the S is the upgraded suspension, wheels, brakes, additional HP is bragging rights but doubt it will get used by most on the street, torque is where the actions is S has more of that as well, just MHO. - Gene

The question is posed to the "You" the members of the forum. I know how I feel... I was just curious what others here thought as their input is often interesting and provides another perspective. In other words I'm "just curious what the consensus is"

I wish Ducati had used the 1198 superbike tune.  It would then be better competition for the KTM Super Duke's 180 at the crank and slightly lighter weight I believe. Price point is close isn't it?

As said above, the S is about Ohlins suspension and upgraded brakes. Whether it's worth it depends on how much that matters to you.

If it were me, I would go for the Ohlins gear. But then I do like really nice suspension. If the front end of my S4Rs is any guide, that 48mm Ohlins fork should be spectacular stock, if necessary resprung for your weight and riding style. The shock? Well my sig line points to what I thought of the stock Ohlins unit on the S4Rs, but the point is that even if Ducati has stuffed up the valving spec (and from early reports they have not), you can rebuild and revalve it until you get just what you want. No linkage to confuse matters, either.

OTOH, the fork seals on the standard bike could well outlast the soft Ohlins seals by a very big margin. And if you are not that much into suspension, the Ohlins stuff is probably more trouble and expense than it's worth. In which case the standard bike looks pretty attractive. I have not ridden either yet, but I find it hard to believe the non-"s" is any slower at low to medium revs.

BTW: there used to be a fair bit of opinion around saying that OEM Ohlins is not "real" Ohlins gear. I understand it is true that the OEM stuff is produced by a different division, but the build, principles and parts are basically the same, or certainly used to be. I've seen parts diagrams for my OEM Ohlins shock and the aftermarket Ohlins unit I now have, and most key parts and part numbers are shared. It is just the valving that differs (i.e. the particular shims specced on the shim stacks), and the aftermarket unit has a hose-mounted reservoir and hydraulic preload adjuster.

Edit: one thing to think about might be that if past practice is anything to go by, Ohlins probably won't make an aftermarket shock specially for the standard 1200. I am pretty sure that is a deal they make with Ducati when they supply an OEM unit. And you won't be able to buy the OEM Ohlins unit from Ohlins: it will be available only as a (very expensive) Ducati part. So, if you didn't like the shock specced on the standard, upgrading it might mean a bit of fussing about.

My impression from reading and looking is that the Monster is a very different beast from the new KTM. I think it is way longer in the wheelbase. Much less aggressive, more easy-going.

It is good to read that people here who have ridden one (the Monster) are so impressed.

I test rode the S last weekend.. Never got it out of touring mode or at least I thought it was in touring mode.. And honestly I wish the wheel base was a little longer, just to keep the front down some, while rolling on aggressively .. I'm not a stunter of any sort.. But my god I feel like a pro with this bike and it's "wheelie on demand" character.. Bottom line I want one, just not sure if I should go standard or S.. As mentioned earlier 145 HP, I doubt I can exploit that power on the street, only rode like that just to see what it had... And it had, also lost my virginity with Ohlins this past Saturday.. And liking it.. Honestly I thought this suspension is only noticeable on the track.. But felt damn compliant on the street...never really noticed a huge difference with the better spec Brembos compared to the normal spec brembos, but the rotors look slicker..
So guess I need to scrape up another $2500.. Think the forged wheels and the ohlins alone are worth the extra.. What do you think?

I feel like if Im going to drop the coin to get the new Monster. I'd rather drop the extra and get the S. Something tells me Ill never "wonder if I shoulda got the Standard" but I would almost certainly "wonder if I shoulda got the S".

Im thinking get the S then add Termis later.

What Im really wondering is...should I get an Ohlins Steering Damper added when I buy it?

This.

For a pretty small price increase you'll never wind up playing that mental game... it's something that kills me anytime I do it.

Can I put out a request to the photoshop gurus here. To show us what the 1200S would look like in black? Please? 

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7363/13940882067_a1494f1a6b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/neUExD)

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Umm, didn't I offer something on that just two posts above yours?

Edit: sorry, I realise now you are looking for wider opinion.  ;D


IMO, most tankslappers arise from crap front suspension. So if the Ohlins front end works like it should, I doubt you will need a steering damper. All bets off for the standard.

The only time I ever felt ANY need for a damper on my Ohlins equipped Monster was when my shop mistakenly used heavier, non-Ohlins fluid after replacing the fork seals. All of a sudden, the 'bars were shaking around over bumps. Cured temporarily by setting the adjusters to full soft. Ohlins fluid went back in, the adjusters went back to near standard, and not a shake since.  8)

If you're likely to cling on hard to the 'bars when the front wheel comes up, then a damper might help you feel comfortable. Others feel differently about this, I know.

I say own/ride the bike a while first before worrying about anything like steering dampers etc.  Most of the time you wind up never needing what you think you need... if the front end feels flighty to you after a couple of months of ownership then get the damper because you'll know you'll need it.

Couldn't do anything about the gloss, it needs the flat and Termi's but hell ya.......



(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/DucatiRocket/Ducca.jpg)

 

Bo Didley you Rock brother.  [thumbsup] I'm waiting for black so it's nice to be able to see what the hell I'm waiting for. Thanks Again!!!

I found another one that is a little less distracting ;D

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This BoDiddley guy....  I like him!  [thumbsup]

That depends on where you work!  [evil]

Luckily I saved a copy asap! 

Thanks Again!!!

You know, if some of the silver parts like the radiator shroud were blacked out, that would look pretty cool.
Is it me, or is the model 6'6" or the bike quite compact?

I'm partial to blue  [roll]

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The fella under the green arrow ain't looking at the bike. [laugh]

Prolly 6' without the heels, maybe a bit more.
Her torso is quite long.

 That model is just tall and luscious. I finally sat on one at my local dealer and the bike is very big and long, reminds me of a Diavel like others have wrote

Ahh yes, long torso........what part is that anyway.  And whats up with the NSFW, this is a family oriented site and that is my sister!

Sorry, that's just how we roll.

I'm sure you can find lots of other places on the internet to host pics of your sister.

Speedo : I have three or four sisters that all look about the same with their own web sites, can I have them give you a call. [laugh]

Actually I had to Google NSFW for a definition, didn't mean to put a crimp in your way of rolling.

No disrespect intended here but that pic had to have been just barely borderline NSFW, depending on how conservative you want to set the line. You guys run this ship but just sayin'......... ;D

My first mod on my bikes is always a rattle can of gloss and flat BBQ paint... blacking out all those pieces just makes the bike look so much better as a whole.

I'm happy to discuss this via PM.

Any more on this topic *here* is just crapping up this thread.

Ducati are making the same mistake as the Japanese mfrs did in the 90's with too many colours at once taking attention away from the lines of the bike, (although not as bad, remember the pink and purple YZF 750). Blacked out frame and small parts and red, black, white or yellow bodywork. It's not that hard.

Don't really see that as true... the stock monster is basically red and black.  Pretty sure the non blacked out bits are just to save a bit on costs... and I do love me some red trellis.

I think the line is crossed once you start putting on graphics kits.  To me, a bike has been designed correctly when it can look stunning in just one base color.  The japanese bikes just toss on too many graphics for the most part.

"Too many colors" is a ridiculous accusation to make against Ducati. They are minimilast compared to most Bike manufacturers. Red, White & Black is pretty much it with the very occasional yellow & platinum thrown in.

This is a pretty interesting and apparently unbiased comparison article comparing the 1200S and the KTM Super Duke. The companion video is also pretty well done.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/102/18366/Motorcycle-Article/2014-Ducati-Monster-1200-S-Comparison.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/102/18366/Motorcycle-Article/2014-Ducati-Monster-1200-S-Comparison.aspx)

Somewhere in all of the videos and articles on these bikes one of the reviews noted that the new Monster was kind of like a mini Diavel. Somewhere between the old sporty Monsters that we know & love and the cruiser Diavel but we'll throw in the big motor. All of the comparos separate the Monster from the KTM/Tuono/BMW/Street Triple bunch.

Let me be clear. I'm talking about the smaller components that Ducati refuses to either colour match or black out, not about the colour range of it's motorcycles. I'm glad Ducati don't use splash graphics. I lived through that in the 90s with Japanese bikes. The issue is every second owner blacks out the alloy or silver or "bronzish" components that Ducati refuses to. So many owners do this as a matter of course and post their bikes up here to show the improvement.

I sometimes think it's a Latin taste effect like Guido's chain or bracelet. If it's cost cutting then I don't think that's acceptable considering the price premium and Audi's marketing strategy.

Okay... I misunderstood. I completely concur as I had to... powder coat my sata cover and clutch cover black, dye my belt covers black, change out the swingarm for a black one off a 695, black billet front sprocket cover and black clip-ons and top triple. And this was on what's called a Monster "Dark". If it's going to be "Dark"... then black it all out! Dont leave 3 different shades of grey on the all the bits and pieces throughout.

Actually... I'm a bit happy that Duc leaves me all the cheap upgrades to do.  It gives me time before I start looking at the expensive ones  [laugh]

A friend of mine just text me a pic of his brand new monster.


He's had it for a week and is over the moon.


He lives a few hours from me, but I'm hoping I can score a ride on it next time I see him.

What has he been riding previously?

 What has he farkled?

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At first glance I thought that said "Ducati Asshat" behind the bike haha

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So here's a 1200S customized and painted black by the MotoCorsa boys. Very nice job. Rizoma Mirrors, Termis and pipe wrap. Looks pretty sweet. Personally I'd of done it myself as that's half the fun but to each his own.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3887/14347856074_4e1893be08_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nRSvJS)10273114_10152507673725499_2302511826955604699_o (https://flic.kr/p/nRSvJS) by ricknieto (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

Never understood the wrap stuff myself ...  ???

I am also not a fan of the pipe wrap. Always looked cheap, dirty & half ass to me. But again ... To each his own.

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Unifying the colour scheme helps heaps. Much better! Take note Ducati.
I would have blacked out the headlight, oil cooler and radiator shrouds, or removed the radiator/cooler shrouds to get rid of the chunkiness of those components.
I think the wrap thickens things too much and doesn't look as clean. Maybe it's needed due to the heat. I dunno.
There is also that shroud under the tank, it looks like it covers the overflow tank. I'd ditch that and tidy up what's behind if possible.Maybe go waterless with that new coolant which lets you ditch the tank, or dye the tank black.
I s'pose I see some parts that could be removed and thrown in the parts box.

[laugh] Pretty much.

Pipe wrap is for bobbers  [cheeky]

Anyone besides me notice that the only pictures anyone takes of the new 1200 are of the right side of the bike?   ;D

most of the pics are from the rh side . . . lh side is "forgotten"

Ducati, hire Walt Siegl and bring this as Classic Monster line!  [drool]


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That is beautiful but it looks like I'd be hurting after riding for 45 minutes. So I'll take one of those and one of the new Monsters please.

Hurting after 45 minutes!!??

Stud.

I am sore just LOOKING at it.

I'm a puss.

Mark

Too much Diavel for my liking  [puke]

And that's the... relatively.. photogenic side too  :-\

[beer]Anyone who knows you well can attest to this being an understatement.  [coffee]

I doubt that bike would be too terribly uncomfortable.  My SC has a similar riding position, and I've been able to take it out for eight+ hour, 450 mile rides on several occasions. 

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That bike is pure awesome...but my back hurts looking at it too. It'd still look good with some normal bars though.  [thumbsup]

For me the SC line and the Paul Smart are some of the most beautiful bikes ever produced. I'm speaking here exclusively about the esthetics. My ideal garage would definitely include one of those. Hell my ideal Living Room would include one of those.

How deep are your pockets then?  8) My son just put his PS with all the NCR trinkets up for sale on eBay. You can't miss it. ;)

got to take a look and a ride at the 1200s today.  first thing I noticed getting out on the street was the ride is very comfortable, the bike feels small and light when you sit on it, and the ohlins suspension is nice. running the jug handle to get on the highway, the thing is probably even more confidence inspiring than my evo, but the motor doesn't have the same low end torque, which I would really miss.  as soon as I got on the highway, i punched it, and the thing moves...it's got plenty of power, and the aerodynamics are really good, much better than my bike at 80 mph... absolutely no need for a windscreen in my opinion.  I liked riding the bike a lot, but I dont know, it didnt seem to have the same bark as mine.  It's got plenty of power, sure, but I think mine comes on sooner...as far as the styling goes, maybe it'd grow on me, but I always like the style of the "new" monster, but this thing doesn't do it for me yet. I dont like the shape of the tank, I dont like the computer screen instruments, i dont like all the plumbing or the radiator, i really dont like the goofy looking frame... as nice as it is to ride, i didnt get the same butterflies i got when I rode my bike for the first time, and I don't know that I'd buy one. 

And there you go........

Had a look at one today, didn't ride. Next to any of the Japanese bikes it looks great. Unfortunately it was next to a row of the older, aircooled Monsters and was put to shame. I could live with the 'plumbing' but not the radiator. There also seemed to be a lot of plastic (timing belt covers, exhaust header shield, etc) - which would have to be replaced.

I'm sure it rides great, but I will be sticking to my 1100S.

The 1100 DS and Evo series are the last of the line for big air cooled Monsters. Should be collectable one day imo. End of an era. :'(

 8)

I have one of these. I would not have even considered any Monster before this. With the suspension set up for sport riding it handles like a dream, it has gobs of midrange torque, gets good mileage, runs smooth (especially with the full Termi Exhaust) and does all of this better than any previous monster. My only gripe is that all the hoses and wires are a little ugly up close. I like the looks otherwise. I can get over the hoses by riding it.

I rode it soon after trying the outgoing model and the contest was not even close.

Welcome to our Monster Forum  [thumbsup]

Yours has the same right to be here as all that came before.

Enjoy  [thumbsup]

What kind of MPG are you (or anyone who has one) seeing in the real world?

Welcome! However.... 8) [roll] http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=111.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=111.0)

Would also be nice if you populate a bit of your profile and add data on your signature line for those of us with Halfsheimers so that we know where you are and what you ride whenever you post.  ;)

You are confirming that they mostly got it right with this bike considering the constraints of Euro 4 emissions, etc. Just a pity that they couldn't do some cosmetics to hide the pluming. Barney's comments above are also interesting. 4-valves are usually pretty smooth and sneaky-fast. They just lack some of the Ducati "heartbeat".

Given the cost of 4V service, good that they extended the intervals. Does it still have belts or do these have timing chains?

I am getting about 45 mpg on the highway. It got worse after the termis, but the windscreen brought it back up. "Spirited riding" brings it back down pretty quick though.

I can if it helps. I usually don't.



Belts I believe. Just like the multi and diavel (mostly the same engine really, just with smaller round throttles instead of larger elliptical ones to boost low to mid-range torque at the expense of top-end).

It was a little rough below 2500-3000 with the stock pipes and tune, especially coming from my last bike with an inline 4, but the Termis and new tune really helped, and when you get it above 4000 to about 9000 rpm or so, it has quite a good rush of torque.

Only the Pani's SuperQuadro has the chains, but I see them coming to other models sooner or later  [coffee]

Then don't feel pressured to do so.  It's your profile.

mine was meant to be no more than a first impression of the bike. i've only seen it this one time in real life.  it's most definitely a pleasure to ride... I think I just feel the same way about this as the guys with the previous gen. monster felt when the 696 came out, which is interesting to me because I couldn't understand that at the time.


welcome to the board!  you'll find literally tons of information here about anything concerning all of our bikes, and some pretty cool people as well  [thumbsup]

Thanks, looking forward to it. It is interesting seeing how people react to the new stuff Ducati is doing the last few years. In any case, next mod to figure out is the evap canister removal. I am not entirely sure how to get to the spot where it connects to the throttles, nor am I sure how to get under the tank. Looking forward to figuring it out (or seeing if someone has already done it).

 Manuals are available from the Ducati web site if you dig a little. I can't tell you how right now cuz I'm spaced out after a 430 mile day at the end of a 1700 mile ride.

Here, parts diagram

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3912/14484729162_47325cbec9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/o4Y2kG)m1200 canister

 (https://flic.kr/p/o4Y2kG)

That makes it a lot easier, thanks! I am actually going to remove 1-6, 24, plug the holes in the throttle bodies with screws, and then remove the canister itself and reroute the remaining hoses where the other hoses already come out at the bottom of the bike. 19 already comes out in a good spot so I will just run this there too, or I will pull 20 off and replace with a T to 19 if I can get the tank off.

this.   [evil]

I took my first shot at 1st gear and full throttle yesterday. Nothing sneaky about how quick the front wheel came off the ground! I got the canister off the bike too. It was very easy with darkmonster620's diagram, so thanks for that!

Anytime I can help I will . . .

And, you're welcome

That will happen in second gear as well [evil]

I saw the new watercooled Monster this week. Comparing it to the Hyperstrada I could see how badly executed the plumbing and radiator were. Very disappointing considering the great job they did on tidying up the Hyperstrada's water cooling components.