Alright, so yesterday i sucked it up and rode to work through LA morning traffic, on the freeways, and all that jazz...
90mph seems really fast when you don't have a hood in front of you. And i was amazed at how much squiggle was happening with all the wind and sh*ty road surface down here. But i kept my knees pinched, and arms loose, so i didn't have any real problems.
EXCEPT for my mirrors... For the first thing... they're pretty much unusable for me (maybe i'm too tall?) In the position the bike came in, i was looking at the ground under my foot. I'd played with adjusting the glass... with no real benefit... but hadn't pulled out the allen wrench to adjust the arms.
I was on surface streets, making my way to the highway... when i noticed that the right mirror was slapping my forearm. Hrm.... here's my chance to adjust that arm.
I pull over, pull the seat, grab the tools, put the arm much more forward to where i think i may actually be able to see behind me (still didn't work) adjust the left mirror much the same. Pack it up, hit the highway... and halfway to work i'm getting slapped in the forearm again.
Once there, i tighten that sucker back up...
then on the ride home the left one starts slapping me.
Anyone else having this issue? Any solutions/ suggestions? Other than locktite? I don't really want to use that until i find the spot that actually helps me see ANYTHING behind me.
Anyone have some cool mirrors that wouldn't clash with the 696 styling? (i think bar ends are out, i want to keep the ability to lane split)
thanks, z
I had the same thing happen to me but after really cranking it down it was okay. Question though: did your stock tool set have the right allen wrench? Mine didn't - I had to add one in for the mirrors.
I replaced my mirrors with these (http://www.ducati.com/shop/product.jsp?catid=cat970157&prodid=prod800171) which I just got today, so they aren't even on my bike yet. The stock mirrors look like they would snap off fairly easy. =(
I had the same problem until I used the stock allen wrench to really screw that sucker in there. Now its perfect. I'm 5'5" and the mirrors are perfect for me. I can really see well with them.
Quote from: Dozer on July 09, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
I had the same thing happen to me but after really cranking it down it was okay. Question though: did your stock tool set have the right allen wrench? Mine didn't - I had to add one in for the mirrors.
Yup, it had the right size in there. I cranked the snot out of both of them after the second time the right side slipped... that's why it blew me away when the left decided to join the fun.
Quote from: Binary on July 09, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
I had the same problem until I used the stock allen wrench to really screw that sucker in there. Now its perfect. I'm 5'5" and the mirrors are perfect for me. I can really see well with them.
+1
I had that problem too, but tightening that sucker down real good worked. My tool set didn't have the right size allen wrench either but I got a metric multi wrench set that I stuck in there with the stock set. I haven't had any problems with it since. I would imagine that you shouldn't play with moving them too much without tightening them back though. That would make them start slapping your arms while driving.
Blue locktite and crankedem down and never an issue. They actually work pretty damn good.
i was riding a couple of days after picking up the bike noticing all the yellow paint they use after checking bolts. they had it on every bolt except that one. sure enough, about half a mile later, mirror started flapping.
torqued it down, no problem
i find the mirror to be pretty functional
ymmv
I think those would go pretty good with the 696 design :
(http://www.ecrater.com/31466/47bcbf1f005fc_31466b.jpg)
Bar end are out....pfff...lane splitting is !
ArguZ,
Stop thread crapping on the guys thread asking for feedback/help regarding his mirror on the 696.
You're not any help at all, so as most of your post here at DMF.
I really can't say what I wanted to say so I rather notify the Mods regarding your post.
Goodluck
Quote from: slim_grizzy on July 09, 2008, 02:29:20 PM
I had that problem too, but tightening that sucker down real good worked. My tool set didn't have the right size allen wrench either but I got a metric multi wrench set that I stuck in there with the stock set. I haven't had any problems with it since. I would imagine that you shouldn't play with moving them too much without tightening them back though. That would make them start slapping your arms while driving.
I had same problem. Tightened them done HARD with metric wrench. No flapping since. ;D
you gotta give ArguZ some credit.... he did go find that picture
i laughed
Same problem for the first few weeks. My toolkit did not have the correct allen wrench but i grabbed one from my tools at home and stuck it in there for emergency use. I also used some loctite on it and it stays in great.
I am 5'11" and the mirrors work great for normal use. But, they stick out there like a sore thumb (mickey mouse style). Definitely changing them soon.
Dont know what I am going to go with just yet.
[beer]
just an fyi. I had this same problem so I cranked down on the bolts, and ended up cracking the damn bolt connector!!!!!!!!!!! SO my advice is not to torque it down, just loctite it.
Quote from: deepak8612 on July 09, 2008, 06:21:29 PM
My toolkit did not have the correct allen wrench
weird. a couple of guys have said this; mine did.
Mine did the same thing. I noticed there is a left hand thread, and a right hand thread. They were on the wrong side. They should tighten as the wind hits them. If this is not the case with yours try a small amount of loctite (blue) should work fine here.
CRG Lane splitter. Thats all you need.
No problem with my mirrors, yet. Maybe I just need to go a little faster.
Quote from: MOUSEMAN on July 10, 2008, 02:30:40 PMThey should tighten as the wind hits them.
Really? Isn't that the opposite of how they are with previous Monsters - that they loosen if they're hit back while the bike is moving forward instead of snapping off?
Quote from: mstevens on July 12, 2008, 12:26:01 AM
Really? Isn't that the opposite of how they are with previous Monsters - that they loosen if they're hit back while the bike is moving forward instead of snapping off?
That's one way of looking at it. But if you are hitting stuff with your mirrors while you are moving forward your probably not going to worried about them for long. Please wear your helmet.
Quote from: mstevens on July 12, 2008, 12:26:01 AM
Really? Isn't that the opposite of how they are with previous Monsters - that they loosen if they're hit back while the bike is moving forward instead of snapping off?
that makes a lot of sense...
too much sense if you ask me ;)
I tightened them up a bit... no more problems... but they're still useless to me. (i'd like to roll them forward, but that means putting my brake and clutch levers lower, and i don't know how far is too far.)
I am 6'1'' and have trouble using the mirrors. I think I am going to replace them with the bar end mirrors. They look pretty cool.
1) ducati monster mirrors are notorious for being ugly AND useless. seems like maybe 8 out of 10 peeps complain about not being able to see anything of value in them.
2) 707soldier... try being a little less sensitive about your model of monster. some like it, some dont. eventually most of the disdain will go away (hopefully sooner than it did for the 999)
just rode home and the right mirror (one that hadnt come loose yet) started beating my forearm to death.
Quote from: zedsaid on July 14, 2008, 11:49:34 AMthey're still useless to me. (i'd like to roll them forward, but that means putting my brake and clutch levers lower, and i don't know how far is too far.)
I rode a 696 over the weekend and found the mirrors much better than the stock ones on my 620. That doesn't mean they're not still relatively useless, just less abjectly so than the old ones.
I've got my controls rolled as far forward as they will go, and I'd move them farther if I could. The controls don't care where they are as long as you can reach them and no lines are screwed with.
Edit: The 696 looks MUCH better in person than in nearly any photos I've seen. Even the headlight doesn't bug me. It was a pretty sweet ride with major ergonomic improvements over my '05 620. I see one in my (or possibly my wife's) future.
Took another look at it, and don't need to move the levers, but the fluid reservoirs... is that going to effect them? (other than the need to park on a slope to check their levels?)
Quote from: zedsaid on July 15, 2008, 02:57:29 PM
Took another look at it, and don't need to move the levers, but the fluid reservoirs... is that going to effect them? (other than the need to park on a slope to check their levels?)
Hmm. AFAIK the levers and reservoirs move together since they're coffins. I don't think the reservoirs need to be level.
Quote from: mstevens on July 15, 2008, 04:26:21 PM
Hmm. AFAIK the levers and reservoirs move together since they're coffins. I don't think the reservoirs need to be level.
Maybe i looked better the first time... In any case, i'll see what i can do, it'd be nice to have an idea that a hummer isn't cruising up my ass on the 101.
Though i have been pretty surprised for the most part how much leeway MOST cages are giving me. (aside from the rooster who spit out his window as i was coming up on his left side, i'm just glad that objects in his mirror were apparently farther away than they seemed)
Mine was loose when I picked it up at the dealer. They tightened it up, but came loose again about a week later. Put on some blue locktite, no more problem. Other than that, the mirrors are fine.
i got the bar ends, expensive but worth it. don't add too much width for lane splitting, definately more friendly for tall riders.
Happened to me too.
The set up is an engineering mess.
Ordered some CRG LSs.
Quote from: mstevens on July 12, 2008, 12:26:01 AM
Really? Isn't that the opposite of how they are with previous Monsters - that they loosen if they're hit back while the bike is moving forward instead of snapping off?
i've heard a hundred reasons for the way that they are threaded, but this one makes the most sense by far. i'm sticking with this
Quote from: MendoDave on July 10, 2008, 04:13:53 PM
CRG Lane splitter. Thats all you need.
Indeed, I put the Hindsight LS (folding) mirrors on my bar ends, and they work fantastic, I can see everything I need to now without my elbows getting in the way. Plus I got bar ends for it in the process.
Quote from: Calibretto on July 19, 2008, 01:56:43 PM
Indeed, I put the Hindsight LS (folding) mirrors on my bar ends, and they work fantastic, I can see everything I need to now without my elbows getting in the way. Plus I got bar ends for it in the process.
Sorry to hijack the topic... but how you remove the bar end? i would like to install the soft foam grip (my hands get cramp easy).
thanks.
Quote from: jsluvb on July 19, 2008, 04:45:37 PM
Sorry to hijack the topic... but how you remove the bar end? i would like to install the soft foam grip (my hands get cramp easy).
thanks.
Pair of pliers, pull gently outward, its a plastic cap.
Any of you fellas have pics of mirror stalk and thread size of mirrors once removed?
I'm interested to know whether they're the same thread size as 695/s2r/s4r mirrors.
So i got around to adjusting the mount, not so easy it turns out... first of all, the allen bolts were so tight i couldn't tell if i was tightening or loosening them.. I tried several times but felt like i was about to strip the head.... tried again a few weeks later and the bottom one had loosened quite a bit (hope that's not a trend).
Couldn't adjust them very much...cables and whatnot in the way. I thought i'd go about ten degrees forward, but i'd be surprised if i got two.
Surprisingly that's all it needed...before i had the glass tilted up as far as it would go and was staring at the lines dissapear next to my tire... now, the glass isn't even full tilt and i can actually see the car sitting behind me at the light.
They're functional!!!! I can't believe it. And you wouldn't believe how much more relaxing it is to ride when you can actually take a quick glance behind you without pulling a move from "The Exorcist".
I'm sure LS barends are in my future... but for now i'm a happy boy.
Can you guys tell me if previous gen monster mirrors will fit the new 696 mounts?
when i get my baby, i plan to take off those fugly mirrors and get my CRG bar ends back on...
those things were bad ass...
when i tipped over they never broke off,the mirrors never broke, and even with my accident, they were still intact and perfect [laugh]
not to dig up an old thread, but I am having serious issues with left stock mirror (even blew off while hubby riding, he caught it mid-air!)
The plastic threads are stripped inside so Loctite not holding, neither is another strong adhesive and fed up. I prefer the appearance of something sleeker like the bar ends BUT have Rizoma bar end/sliders would like to KEEP-now what are my options for bar clamp mirrors or ?????
i'm confused. there are no plastic threads. the bolt goes through the mirror into the base. the mirror is clamped down.
have you taken it to the dealership. supposed this is an issue and they help pay for new mirrors or something.
i bought some bar end mirrors similar to the rizoma retros, but haven't been able to install them due to finding the right bar end adaptors. i wish i could afford the rizoma prototype mirrors Asado has on his bike...
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3343628284_94e1e2d482.jpg?v=0)
As others have mentioned, the METRIC allen wrench set is key. It's an italian bike and all the sizes are metric. While many standard sizes are similar there are some that are different enough to start stripping stuff out. Get yourself a metric allen wrench set at any hardware store and you'll be set with any of the bolts on the bike. All you have to do is tighten that sucker down real good and it won't move.
Useful mirrors... well not much to be done there. I've set mine up so that I can see into the other lanes a little better than trying directly behind me. It's a compromise but it's useful for me since I'm usually not getting passed on the road. [moto]
I never had the mirrors fly off, but i did have them loosen and whack me in the forearm while driving.
In the end (when picking it up from the dealer from an unrelated service) the left mirror just wouldn't tighten down.
I got the CRG and the rinomoto slider/adapters. Frickin' love them.
Quote from: zedsaid on April 23, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
I never had the mirrors fly off, but i did have them loosen and whack me in the forearm while driving.
In the end (when picking it up from the dealer from an unrelated service) the left mirror just wouldn't tighten down.
I got the CRG and the rinomoto slider/adapters. Frickin' love them.
Yup, left just will NOT stay tightened any longer-even with proper wrench, Loctite etc.... and it did fly off while hubby was riding it (but he prolly just ignored it spinning around a couple times before that happened [roll] )
Tightened AGAIN, but still searching for bar CLAMP? mirrors I like better and are useful.
(http://www.oberon-performance.co.uk/acatalog/_BEWAS_xl.jpg)
I bought these. They are a pain to install. If you look at the brass expander, it only grips the inside of the bar at the very bottom or wide part where it expands. If you bump the mirror, the whole assembly works loose.
On my old bike, I had the Napoleon bar end mirrors. Those had a rubber seal over the expanding screw inside, so once in contacted the bar, it would stay put. So I'm thinking of fashioning a rubber seal from some rubber to keep them in place.
Also, these mirrors are not easy to adjust, and once they are locked in place, that's it. They won't adjust while riding.
Quote from: Raux on April 23, 2009, 06:20:37 AM
i'm confused. there are no plastic threads. the bolt goes through the mirror into the base. the mirror is clamped down.
have you taken it to the dealership. supposed this is an issue and they help pay for new mirrors or something.
i bought some bar end mirrors similar to the rizoma retros, but haven't been able to install them due to finding the right bar end adaptors. i wish i could afford the rizoma prototype mirrors Asado has on his bike...
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3343628284_94e1e2d482.jpg?v=0)
what are those mirrors? Not the bar ends for sure, cuz they are mounted more where stock would be in your pic. I would LUV those, I think.....please, tell me what they are??!!
rizoma prototype (actual name and not a prototype)
See here:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=22902.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=22902.0)
sorry [bang] guess I should READ your post better too, got excited over the pic in it [laugh]
tks! [thumbsup]
but ouch! those are expensive :'(
i had the same problem that i had solved in a very easy way...
reverse the plugs where you screw the mirrors in so that when you're riding air will tight the screws and not untight them..
after that..everything worked just fine.. [thumbsup]
Quote from: lucaspin74 on May 06, 2009, 07:47:26 AM
i had the same problem that i had solved in a very easy way...
reverse the plugs where you screw the mirrors in so that when you're riding air will tight the screws and not untight them..
after that..everything worked just fine.. [thumbsup]
Until you're splitting lanes, clip a mirror, and it turns your bars for you, and you take a spill under a tire.
Besides that, once the mirror is at the point where you can't tighten it anyway, swapping sides isn't going to help. the thing just won't screw down.