Hill Country Bike Prep

[♣ McKraut ♣]

Talked to randy today about full floating rotors and doesn't recommend them for street use.  He said they are great for racing, but not for street!  Call him and ask him!!

this has nothing to do with hill country...but anyway, sounds like you could take off your rotors from the wheel...and use a 19 or 20mm socket (with duct tape to protect the rotor), and beat the other side of the button (rivet) with a hammer to compress the spring and make them loose and float freely on the carrier.  i think i'll be okay with semi floating, or non floating.

back to hill country prep though...how many people have flat repair kits, portable air pumps, etc?  i was going to pick one up the other day at cyclegear when i was there for a tire, but frankly what they had, sucked.  i thought about buying a tank of CO2 from a paintball supply store, but i didn't think the delivery method was the same (i.e. same thread type etc. to be able to attach to the device that connects to the valve stem).

also we need to make sure and get a central list of names and cell phone numbers of everyone printed up to distribute before the ride.

[hiero]

do tell

easier to just copy paste from another thread,

from ducpainter:

It's easy....

The hardest part is often getting the rotors off.

Remove wheel and then rotors.

Take a 19mm deep socket and cover the open end with duct tape...that will prevent marking the rotors or carriers.

Turn the rotor so the large end of the button fits inside the open end of the socket. You want to support the rotor and carrier with the socket.

Hit the rivet (small end of the button) with a hammer. What you're trying to do is flatten the wave washer slightly. You have to hit it harder than you think.

Move around the rotor until all the buttons move by hand. The amount they move is directly proportional to the jingle they make.

This is a very imprecise method. I've done both of my bikes this way and am happy with the results. As always...YMMV.

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thread link http://ducatimonsterworldwide.org/index.php?topic=1818.0

[bryant8]

this has nothing to do with hill country...but anyway, sounds like you could take off your rotors from the wheel...and use a 19 or 20mm socket (with duct tape to protect the rotor), and beat the other side of the button (rivet) with a hammer to compress the spring and make them loose and float freely on the carrier.  i think i'll be okay with semi floating, or non floating.

back to hill country prep though...how many people have flat repair kits, portable air pumps, etc?  i was going to pick one up the other day at cyclegear when i was there for a tire, but frankly what they had, sucked.  i thought about buying a tank of CO2 from a paintball supply store, but i didn't think the delivery method was the same (i.e. same thread type etc. to be able to attach to the device that connects to the valve stem).

also we need to make sure and get a central list of names and cell phone numbers of everyone printed up to distribute before the ride.

I'll be bringing my slime air compressor.  It works off of my battery tender lead.  I don't have plugs though, just the slime.

[LYD]

I have my tender plug on the battery.  Will that work??

[bryant8]

lol

It'll run off my batter tender plug on my battery.  I do have one on the 848 as well

I just don't have any tire plugs, just the green slime

[caffeinejunkee]

I just don't have any tire plugs, just the green slime

got tire plugs and a CO2 thinggy....Genuine Innovations

Plugs are the long ones.

Anyone have a plug preference

[Duc L'Smart]

Anyone have a plug preference

Yeah, the kind that work, not the kind that don't work that we tried in Arkansas 

[LYD]

Yeah, the kind that work, not the kind that don't work that we tried in Arkansas 

I have some car ones, will that work?

[cdc]

can you just swap out the "buttons" with floating ones?  charles made it sound fairly easy...or at least straightforward...  my rotors are supposed to be full floating stock...but the wave rotors he recently put in are non-floating, like the titanic.

Actually, Rueben said it was easy.  I think he said the stock buttons can be removed and the other buttons installed which make the disc float more loosely while still attached securely to the carrier.  I've not done it myself so It could be as Bryant pointed out both not cost effective and not necessarily a big enough improvement to merit the trouble.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

cdc

[cdc]

I've heard the term, but I have no idea what a floating rotor is...

As I understand it, brake discs are either "floating" or they are not.  The non floating discs are rigidly attached to the carrier or in the auto application looks like a steel hat with the brim representing the rotor/disc, bolted on to the front suspension pieces.  The older bikes, my long gone '81 BMW R65 for example, had disc brakes but were solid discs.  They are heavy and thick probably to keep it from wrapping among other things.

Floating rotors are like Liza described what almost all of the current Ducatis and Japanese sportbikes have.  There are floating discs which will jiggle and make noise and there are those which are more tightly attached to the carrier.  The fact that there are buttons mean that the disc is not rigidly (solidly) attached to the carrier and allows movement (expansion and some play).  This "loosely floating" rotors used to be a thing to have in the late '90 and early '00.  But it is curious that the 1098R has discs which are not "loose".  Maybe this is more bling on street and track but useful somewhat in race conditions.  Ductile iron discs/rotors were also once a rave but with the advent of 4 pad calipers and Radial master cylinders and now radial mounted brake calipers, what I see are stainless steel floating disc which are not "loose/full floating" disc.

Hope that helps clear the "air".

cdc

[cdc]

BTW, if any one want to go to a local bike shop and ask for their worse looking rear tire, you can practice doing the tire plug thing so it becomes easier and more natural to do in case you need to fix a tire on the road.  Remember practice makes perfect.

cdc

[LYD]

I have a f'd up tire off the old LYD we can use?

[caffeinejunkee]

I have a f'd up tire off the old LYD we can use?

Dang, let's practice then. 

Rich: are you getting extra CO2???

[♣ McKraut ♣]

Dang, let's practice then. 

Rich: are you getting extra CO2???

i didn't get any the other day because i didn't know what kind of thread the tire repair device needed... i.e. the thing that actually delivers the CO2 from the canister into the valve stem/tire.  the threads on the large (and i mean "large") canister i was looking at, at the paintball place (we're talking like...12 oz. of CO2) looked too big to work with whatever device you have.  maybe post a pic?  or take it with you to a paintball place?  or if i go back to cyclegear for that set of Pirellis monday or tuesday maybe i'll just pick a bottle up...they're not that much...really good deal for how much you get, just a matter of if the threads match.  does that help?

take a look here for what i'm talking about as far as these CO2 bottles (btw, refills are even cheaper....the place is right next door to cyclegear in plano)   http://www.anythingxtreme.com/CO2Bottles-C1390.aspx

[Ronr]

Maybe I should bring my superduty red air tank. I think it's a 5 gallon tank. Can't carry it on the bike but we could use it for camp repairs. Would that be useful or not?