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Started by ducatiz, June 09, 2009, 12:56:37 PM

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corey

#1605
June 29, 2011, 09:01:43 PM
Progress report. Had my bike up the shop on June 18th for photos, measurements and analysis. Service manager stated that in his experience, my tank was a good candidate for replacement. They started the good will claim, and mentioned epoxy coating as a "customer pay" service for the new tank.

Heard back yesterday, June 29th, that my tank will indeed be replaced. When the dealer is made aware of shipment, they will schedule a service appt. to install the tank. There was no suggestion or guess of the arrival date of the replacement tank.

I'll post up in the future with more updates as a frame of reference of ONE person's experience.
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Bishamon

#1606
June 30, 2011, 06:35:40 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on June 29, 2011, 12:40:51 PM
the issues are totally different for the marine industry -- it's the ethanol/fibreglass problem for them.  ethanol dissolves the layup resins used in fibreglass.   the water/ethanol issue is a performance problem, but if all boats had aluminum or steel tanks, it wouldn't matter.. same with us I guess...

Ethanol is a problem with steel tanks because once the water begins to separate it causes the tanks to rust.  Ethanol is also corrosive to aluminum, though 10% should be relatively safe.
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DRKWNG

#1607
June 30, 2011, 05:21:37 PM
Sooo...  It attacks the resin that holds things together in fiberglass as well eh?  How would this impact the cell that ETI makes?
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ducpainter

#1608
June 30, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
Quote from: DRKWNG on June 30, 2011, 05:21:37 PM
Sooo...  It attacks the resin that holds things together in fiberglass as well eh?  How would this impact the cell that ETI makes?
The eti products should be using epoxy as opposed to polyester resins.

If the caswell product resists the ethanol it would be logical to assume it's the epoxy that is ethanol resistant
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ducatiz

#1609
June 30, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on June 30, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
The eti products should be using epoxy as opposed to polyester resins.

If the caswell product resists the ethanol it would be logical to assume it's the epoxy that is ethanol resistant

there are plenty of ethanol resistant epoxies around too

this company sells an E85 resistant epoxy http://www.resinlab.com/E85/e85index.html
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OneWheelDrive

#1610
July 05, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
Just got word that my tank claim at GP Motorcycles in San Diego has been accepted and to expect my freshy tank in a month or so.  Great news for me as it is badly warped and swollen.  Also, the PO put some nice zipper scratches in the tank as well as some nicks from a big keychain by the ignition.  Got my fingers crossed!  The question is, should I have them line the tank when it's installed?  There is no Ethenol-free gas around me so I don't want this to happen again!
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Betlog

#1611
July 05, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
OneWheelDrive, did they give you the option to coat at GP?  If so, how much?

DRKWNG

#1612
July 05, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
AMA is trying to get support rallying behind a bill prohibiting the Administrator of the EPA from authorizing the use of gasoline containing greater than 10 percent ethanol in certain vehicles.  Please go through this site and show your support.

http://capwiz.com/amacycle/issues/alert/?alertid=51059636&queueid=[capwiz:queue_id]
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OneWheelDrive

#1613
July 05, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
Spoke with the head tech today, and said there is no reason to coat the tank.  Could cause more trouble than it would fix.  A coated tank cannot be warrantied but if it warps again left unmolested, you just get a new one.
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Desert Dust

#1614
July 05, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: OneWheelDrive on July 05, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
Spoke with the head tech today, and said there is no reason to coat the tank.  Could cause more trouble than it would fix.  A coated tank cannot be warrantied but if it warps again left unmolested, you just get a new one.
I don't know if we spoke to the same guy, but I was told the same thing by the GP Motorcycles service manager in November of 2010 when my first tank was being replaced. I spoke with the same guy about two weeks ago to tell him that my new tank was beginning to swell, and he said, "Some of our customers are having the new tanks coated."

He didn't directly advise me to coat my next tank, but he certainly suggested it. GP motorcycles should get together and stay consistent with their message to the customers.



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ducatiz

#1615
July 05, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: Desert Dust on July 05, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
GP motorcycles should get together and stay consistent with their message to the customers.

they don't know any more than anyone else -- the coating thing has only become a "sure" thing in the last year(ish) and plenty of people are out of the loop as far as following those who have had it done to know it is working.

so far, i've only heard one horror story (in this thread) about the coating from Caswell's peeling.  they didn't do it themselves, so i might even question whether it was Caswell's that was used given the many many success stories about it.
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Desert Dust

#1616
July 05, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on July 05, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
they don't know any more than anyone else -- the coating thing has only become a "sure" thing in the last year(ish) and plenty of people are out of the loop as far as following those who have had it done to know it is working.

so far, i've only heard one horror story (in this thread) about the coating from Caswell's peeling.  they didn't do it themselves, so i might even question whether it was Caswell's that was used given the many many success stories about it.
If they (GP) don't know, they should make it their business to know. It's like the doctor telling me I need my tonsils removed, but I stop by in a month and he says my tonsils are fine.  ??? ???

I'd probably change doctors.

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ducatiz

#1617
July 05, 2011, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: Desert Dust on July 05, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
If they (GP) don't know, they should make it their business to know. It's like the doctor telling me I need my tonsils removed, but I stop by in a month and he says my tonsils are fine.  ??? ???

I'd probably change doctors.

I agree, but from what I've seen over the last two years that I have tracked this issue, they are about the same as everyone else.

The variations are the dealers who force you to leave your bike until the tank comes in or make you pay a deposit for the replacement tank in case Ducati doesn't approve the replacement.  Those are the dogs. 

Yours is just average for the course.  They are in the dark as much as every other dealer on this issue.

You'd switch doctors and get the same or worse.
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OneWheelDrive

#1618
July 05, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
I have absolutely nothing to complain about yet.  Obviously I don't want to have to get more than one tank, but lets just see if everything goes smoothly before I join the ranks of the disappointed.  When I bought the bike (that the sales guy found for me) they inspected it for free, and suggested they warranty the tank, took and submitted the photos, and two days later gave me an update that it was in process.  From what I've read, that's better than most.
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Betlog

#1619
July 05, 2011, 10:43:35 PM
Any folks here have experience with warranty tank claims through Ducati Newport Beach?  (sorry, I hope I'm not thread jacking).
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