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fastwin

#1140
February 08, 2011, 09:49:50 PM
Wilson Combat. They bought out Scattergun Technologies several years ago. I dealt with ST for years with great results. Other than big price increases nothing has changed with Wilson. Of course nothing at Wilson Combat is cheap. [bang] But it is good stuff and they never messed with Scattergun's proven products. In my shotgun opinion their ghost ring sights are the best around because they offer a great sight picture and are very robust. I have seen several other GR sights come apart during my classes because they were too delicate and weak. Strong, tough and simple always rules and that's the way I see Wilson's sights. I have several old Scattergun Tech 870s and 1187s that have had the living shit kicked out of them and I would take any of them to an end of the world gun fight! [thumbsup] That's the best endorsement I can give.

Google Wilson Combat and give them a call and see what they say. Their shit kicks ass. [bow_down]
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sugarcrook

#1141
February 08, 2011, 10:19:12 PM
Thanks!
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Monsterlover

#1142
February 09, 2011, 04:49:38 AM
How does the GR mount at the rear if the gun?  Most that I've seen have no provision to mount a sight.

In my mind that leaves drill and tap or mill a dovetail slot.
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ducatiz

#1143
February 09, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 09, 2011, 04:49:38 AM
How does the GR mount at the rear if the gun?  Most that I've seen have no provision to mount a sight.

In my mind that leaves drill and tap or mill a dovetail slot.

you got it.  usually drill and tap.  rear sight is usually 2-3 pieces with one based piece that attaches to the receiver, then the ring attaches to the base. 
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Monsterlover

#1144
February 09, 2011, 04:59:03 AM
That's easy enough. Cool.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducatiz

#1145
February 09, 2011, 05:21:38 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 08, 2011, 08:25:44 PM
I can't stop thinking about that Damn kel-tec shotgun. Its all sorts of awesome.

However I think for half the money I can get me an 870 with an 18" barrel and longer mag tube and have a lot left over for shells.

Personally I have no interest in a pistol grip. Seems less mamagable to me. No fhe though. Never fired a sg before.

Kellgren has made a lot of interesting designs.  I can see why people would be jacked about this new s/g but franking it does nothing for me. 

His RFB is an interesting concept but perhaps a solution in search of a problem..  the KG9 was another interesting piece, but probably suffered due to it's timing and relative fragility
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

fastwin

#1146
February 09, 2011, 08:29:26 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 09, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
you got it.  usually drill and tap.  rear sight is usually 2-3 pieces with one based piece that attaches to the receiver, then the ring attaches to the base. 

'tiz is 100% right. [thumbsup] I can't remember who offered it (Scattergun, Wilson or someone else), but there was a kit available in the past for do it yourself installation of the ST (now Wilson) ghost rings. There was a patterned jig you would line up on the rear of the receiver that would allow proper placement of the two holes you needed to drill. I believe it also came with the proper tap for threading the holes. The front sight is mounted using a space age adhesive and it mounts on top of the stock bead sight. Or at least that's the way they used to be mounted. One thing is for sure I have never ever had the front or rear sight loosen or fall off.

I just checked Wilson's website and I didn't see any listing for the install kit. Maybe I'm just dreaming in colors again. ;D Maybe it's in Brownell's catalog. I'll look later.
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

ducatiz

#1147
February 09, 2011, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: oldfastwin on February 09, 2011, 08:29:26 AM
The front sight is mounted using a space age adhesive and it mounts on top of the stock bead sight. Or at least that's the way they used to be mounted. One thing is for sure I have never ever had the front or rear sight loosen or fall off.

i.e. "JB Weld"

look on Midway USA, but I think there is no jig available with it. 
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fastwin

#1148
February 09, 2011, 08:39:40 AM Last Edit: February 09, 2011, 09:40:22 AM by oldfastwin
JB rocks! That's what I would personally use but I don't know for a fact if that's Wilson's magic juju. Whatever it is it works just fine. We are socked in by ice again here in DFW so I will waste time online later looking for the jig kit... if it still even exists.
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

Monsterlover

#1149
February 14, 2011, 06:01:32 AM
I got an email from Midway about a sale on Hornady Critical Defense ammo.

I was reading the "reviews" (really just folks talking about how their gun had no malfunctions or it did) and came across the following.  WTF is he talking about "shake your ammo" and why change it out once a month?  It's not like it goes bad.

Please educate me.

"Hornady makes the best bullet in the industry (not the same as cartridge). I have heard a lot about primers in this cartridge. I say look at your handgun manual and see how often you should replace your firing pin, firing pin spring and ejector spring(s) [my Kel-Tec has two]. In my Kimber replacement is VERY often (1500-2000 rounds) and this makes a huge difference. Also check the specs on your firing pin and measure it with your digital caliper. I find that 99.9% of FTF is because of worn firing pins or weak springs. This ammo is 100% if your handgun is 100%. Last but not least SHAKE your ammo before you use it and make sure you change out your Self-Def ammo each month. After all it is YOUR life!"
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

WarrenJ

#1150
February 14, 2011, 06:34:51 AM
In theory, if you have ammunition in the car or in something where it will be constantly agitated for long periods of time, it may cause the powder to mechanically break down into smaller pieces or generate "dust".  One of the major determining factors of a powder's burning rate is the shape, size and surface area of the grain.  If the surface area per volume increases, it can cause higher pressures in the cartridge.

All that being said, I have never experienced a problem with this across hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo I have used, carried, reloaded, fired, etc.

As far as "shaking" your ammunition, The only thing I can think of that is being referred to is the theory of having the powder in a consistant position in the case.  The only time tihis is really a factor with most modern powders is when you are running at a very low loading density (not much powder in relation to the case volume)  This is almost never a problem with factory loaded ammunition as they use powders manufactured specifically for the case volumes they are loading for.

I think if you have your defense ammo in a gun that is going through a lot of thermal cycling and bumpy conditions for long peroids of time, it may be pruduent to change it out every year or so - the rest of the stuff in the article seems pretty silly to me.
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ducatiz

#1151
February 14, 2011, 06:58:49 AM
I've never seen any reason to worry about the condition of the powder in a commercially-produced round. 

Some com-bloc milsurp can be spotty.  I had some Albanian nagant ammo that smelled like a dead cat when you fired it and one round would give a huge plume of flame out the muzzle and the next would be a squib.  But that stuff was also 30 years old.

One of the gun mags did a test a long while ago -- they got Wolf 7.62x39 and buried it at the beach in sandy salty water for a month or so.  Dug it out, dried it all off and everything fired just fine. 

YMMV
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fastwin

#1152
February 14, 2011, 09:08:02 AM
I like Warren's line about "being constantly agitated for long periods of time". Sounds like life at my house. [laugh]

I too have never had a problem of that nature with any new, commercially made ammo. I've still got pre Y2K Norinco ammo in different calibers and it all still fires fine. It's not being shaken up like it was strapped to a MX bike but it does live in the original wooden cases in a metal storage building that goes through major temp swings throughout the year.

As far as cycling defense ammo I just take my pistol or shotgun to the range or farm and fire off the ammo for practice, field clean and reload with fresh defense ammo. No set specific time frame, just when I think about it. Again, not a case of shaken ammo syndrome. [thumbsup]
I plan to list the Federal Gov't. as a dependent on my next 1040 tax filing!

I have flying honey badgers and I'm not afraid to use them!

The fact that flame throwers exist is proof that someone somewhere said "I'd sure like to set those people over there on fire but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

CONFIDENCE: the feeling you have right before you understand the situation.

Monsterlover

#1153
February 14, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
shaken ammo syndrome

[laugh]
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

WarrenJ

#1154
February 14, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
When 38 Spl revolvers ruled the NRA Bullseye competitions, powder position was very critical to accuracy.  They were typically running 2.7 grains of Bullseye in a 38 Special Case with a 148 grain hollowbase wadcutter.  That load uses up about 10% of the volume of the case.  In the slowfire strings, shooters would tip the barrel up to vertical to place the powder charge against the flashhole in the case and to make the "shape" of the propellant mass consistent from shot to shot.  Some powders are more position sensitive than others.  Hogdons Tightgroup was made specifically to be very position insensitive for use in low loading density situations. 

I've been heavily involved in the shooting scene for 30 years and the "shaking your shells" procedure is a new one on me.  Thank goodness for the Internet or I would have never known what I was missing!
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