Tactical Shotgun

[cyrus buelton]

I'd rather have a shotgun for room clearing, but then again, I am just an accountant.

[ducatiz]

Well I've shot our old shotguns and are new "tactical" shotguns with the flashlights, ghost ring sights, and pistol grips back to back. The new ones with the ghost rings were quicker and easier to put on target. This transalated to being more accurate while being rushed (which we normally are) and thus safer IMO for any innocent citizens involved. The flashlight, funny enough, is very useful when it gets dark. True that they are intimidating which is why they rarely get fired.

Actually we use MP5's or AR15's (and our sidearms) for room clearing. We primarily use the shotguns for felony car stops. SWAT also uses them to cut down doors.

Depends on jurisdiction.  Not many places use the MP5.  SBS's are still more popular esp since MP5 will penetrate a wall.

[Sinister]

I'd rather have a shotgun when I'm cowering in the corner, screaming like Britney Spears on acid.

[hyphen]

Good luck finding your average beat cop here carrying an mp5 or ar in their squad car, let alone clearing houses.  That's SWAT's job as far as  I know. 

The average beat cop has an 870 with an extended magazine.  No folding stocks, uber elite taclight, bandoliers or anything of that sort.  Again, the whole "tactical" builds are for show unless you're spec ops or a swat, which is where it's even remotely needed.  Even then it's overkill.  My friend's uncle is retired lapd swat and he said that in his 10 years of being on the swat team he hadn't been in a single fire fight. Mind you, he worked in and around Rampart district for several of those years.  They have all that excessive munitions because they have the same ideology as the US Marines, to use overwhelming force and to have more guns, more ammo and more scary stuff than the bad guys. 

You don't need a tactical light, speed feed stock, pistol grip, bandolier and rail mounted scope to overwhelm your average robber.  It's all for looks.  Well, the light may come in handy, but all those extras are practically useless.   And like someone said earlier, if 2 shots from a 12 gauge doesn't send the guy running then you have some sort of professional on your hands and you're as good as dead anyway. 

[hbliam]

Depends on jurisdiction.  Not many places use the MP5.  SBS's are still more popular esp since MP5 will penetrate a wall.

True that it depends on jurisdiction. In So Cal rooms are cleared by patrol with sidearms, MP5's or Ar15's mostly. Maybe one guy will bring in a shotgun.

If it's a SWAT call out it's MP5's and AR's and again, one guy with a shotgun.

[rgramjet]

You don't need a tactical light, speed feed stock, pistol grip, bandolier and rail mounted scope to overwhelm your average robber.  It's all for looks.  Well, the light may come in handy, but all those extras are practically useless.   

I also dont "need" Carbon Fiber anything (did I just say that out loud???), billet, or even a motorcycle.......but I likes 'em!  Just like I like my "Lasers".   

[hbliam]

Good luck finding your average beat cop here carrying an mp5 or ar in their squad car, let alone clearing houses.  That's SWAT's job as far as  I know. 

Well there you go.

SWAT comes out on barricaded suspects and the like. For every barricaded suspect call there are 100 homes, business's, etc to clear. The average LA County beat cop has access to either an MP5, AR15, and a shotgun. Call a sergeant and you get a tactical blanket, beanbag shotgun, 40mm launcher, etc.

True that there are few firefights if you tabulated all the police encounters on any given day. Keep in mind though that patrol gets in more firefights then SWAT.  

You don't need a tactical light, speed feed stock, pistol grip, bandolier and rail mounted scope to overwhelm your average robber.  It's all for looks.  Well, the light may come in handy, but all those extras are practically useless.   And like someone said earlier, if 2 shots from a 12 gauge doesn't send the guy running then you have some sort of professional on your hands and you're as good as dead anyway. 

You are absolutely right. You don't need most gizmos for the average thug. The baton, which has been in use since the caveman works wonders and is as low tech as you can get.

My point is...the new tactical shotguns with the ghost rings sights, tac lights, and pistol grips are easier to use well, then the tried and true stock 870.  

[cyrus buelton]

True that it depends on jurisdiction. In So Cal rooms are cleared by patrol with sidearms, MP5's or Ar15's mostly. Maybe one guy will bring in a shotgun.

If it's a SWAT call out it's MP5's and AR's and again, one guy with a shotgun.

No offense to you or Mario, but the average beat cop clearing a room scares me.

[hbliam]

No offense to you or Mario, but the average beat cop clearing a room scares me.

If you had any idea of how much training they give us (in CA) on clearing rooms you wouldn't be "as" scared.

[cyrus buelton]

If you had any idea of how much training they give us (in CA) on clearing rooms you wouldn't be "as" scared.

That's fine, but I don't live in California.

I am speaking from experience where I live; CA will never be a place I reside in.

[Sinister]

If you had any idea of how much training they give us (in CA) on clearing rooms you wouldn't be "as" scared.

Yeah, he would.  He would just find something else to be scared about.

[hbliam]

That's fine, but I don't live in California.

I am speaking from experience where I live; CA will never be a place I reside in.

I watch COPS too. We actually use it in training for what NOT to do most of the time. Like the Texas method of rushing up to the car after a pursuit....but that's for another thread.

Another thing I like about having an MP5 in the car...the mags make a good armrest.

[cyrus buelton]

I watch COPS too. We actually use it in training for what NOT to do most of the time. Like the Texas method of rushing up to the car after a pursuit....but that's for another thread.

Another thing I like about having an MP5 in the car...the mags make a good armrest.

I haven't watched cops in about 10 years.

Of course, California has the best every thing, I forgot that.

I'll bow out of this thread as it is off topic.

[ducatiz]

If you had any idea of how much training they give us (in CA) on clearing rooms you wouldn't be "as" scared.

well considering Heather Fong can't even get off her bony ass and spend some time at the range, i don't feel so secure...  shouldn't be carrying a sidearm without regular range time.

[Sinister]

I'll bow out of this thread as it is off topic.

Funny, that's usually when you get rolling.