M796, Serious issues after Re-Flash.

[Slide Panda]

and just "looks" like it is coming out of exhaust....

There's stuff coming out of his exhaust. Watch the video - there's what looks like vaporizing gas and the occasional gout of flame - and it's running like poo.

[2-Skinny]

Ok true- i do see that... 



ecu or stuck injector

[ChrisH]

I had an ecu reflashed through moto lab a few months ago, and was told the same thing that there were never issues. Luckily in my case I had bought a used ecu so I still have my oem ecu as spare.  I never had fuel run out of the exhaust, but the bike runs awful with it. It surges badly, won't hold a constant rpm/speed, dies at stops, etc. I'm bringing the bike to the dealer Saturday to see if they can hook it up to their systems to see if it's a tps or fuel issue that they can reset. If not, guess I'm out all that money. I'll report back. I have to say that moto lab really seemed to want to help, but it's a rexxer setup they use so any help advice they seek will come from Germany if it comes a all.

Also, my dealer seems to be so used to dealing with reflashed siemans ecu's that they already had a set time of 30 minutes to reset certain parameters and get them running right. This seems to indicate that these are common issues.

I still have faith that mine will work, they reflash god knows how many ecu's and wouldn't keep doing it with such a good reputation if their stuff didn't work. Please don't take this as bashing moto lab by myself at all, like I said I have faith that I just need the dealer to do something minor and it will b good to go.

[ungeheuer]

"We've never had an issue with that flash".

Really?  I think you should ask them exactly how many M796's have they reflashed?  I think you should ask them to define exactly what flash they used.  Your ECU functioned fine before they reflashed it, IMO this is Motolab's issue to resolve.  

Seems that ChrisH has also had issues with MotoLab's reflashing service, so I'm guessing its something they are not taking care of correctly.  

This folks, is why I'd much rather own the reflash tool myself.

Maybe you can find a local M796 owner who has fitted the Termi kit with DP ECU.... Maybe they'd allow you to test your bike with their now redundant stock ECU?

Good luck, wish I could be more help.

I had an ecu reflashed through moto lab a few months ago, and was told the same thing that there were never issues...... I have to say that moto lab really seemed to want to help, but it's a rexxer setup they use so any help advice they seek will come from Germany if it comes a all.

Interesting you say that, coz I just spoke with my contact at Rexxer in Germany and they claim no connection or association with Motolab.... Quoting Rexxer: "They [Motolab] have own tools and procedures and maps..... we [Rexxer] don't work with them together".

Also, my dealer seems to be so used to dealing with reflashed siemans ecu's that they already had a set time of 30 minutes to reset certain parameters and get them running right. This seems to indicate that these are common issues.

Really?  What parameters are they able to reset which could correct your Ecu's mapping?  

[Rxmfn7]

Im sending the ECU back out to Moto-lab today. Im just worried that they really dont seem to know what the problem is, and are going to assume it was only a corruption while downloading the new map. I would hate to get it back and it do the same thing. If anyone here has a known good M796 ECU that I could buy, or even just borrow just to make 100% sure it is flash related, please let me know.

Also, at this point I would just like to have a backup plan. Worst case scenario I get it back, my bike still doesnt run. Plus I will still need a custom tune for my intake/exhaust modifications. What are my options? Is there a programmer or something else available at this time for a M796 I could purchase. Thanks guys

[2-Skinny]

I would have them set it back to stock and make sure it isn't a hardware issue first...

[ungeheuer]

I would have them set it back to stock and make sure it isn't a hardware issue first...

+1.   Reflashed back to stock (and a refund if they cant answer your questions about map specifics).

....I will still need a custom tune for my intake/exhaust modifications. What are my options? Is there a programmer or something else available at this time for a M796 I could purchase. Thanks guys

You could buy a Rexxer reflash tool, its no doubt more costly than just having your ECU reflashed, but its way more convenient than sending your ECU back and forth (especially since you have no back-up ECU to use in the interim), it comes with a custom map to your requirements and the ability to swap back to your stock map at will.  Plenty info around here.... search for Rexxer.

[ChrisH]

I'll report back tomorrow after the dealer has looked at it. I just finished stripping as many bolts and pieces down as I could and still safely ride the bike to the shop, I'll swap out the ecu in the parking lot before they open and I have the first slot in the bay so I should be done early.

[ungeheuer]

So this "motolab"..... 

As I already mentioned, Rexxer havent heard of "motolab". 

Are you sure you dont mean mota-lab as in  >>  http://www.mota-lab.com/ducati-ecu-reflash-p-463.html  <<  which as far as I can tell are a business associated with Desmoworks, one of our sponsors.  And Rexxer lists Desmoworks as one of their US "tuning centers". 

If you guys are having trouble getting ECU reflash problems resolved, and the vendor is one of our DMF sponsors.... then I'm sure there are ways to get some satisfaction around here.....

We need to be clear exactly who is it is that did the reflash work...  moto.. or mota... 

And I could be totally wrong in associating mota-lab with Desmoworks.  Maybe Anthony Creek will chime in with some clarification.... 

[DucNaked]

Rxmfn7  I'd change my oil and my filter as precaution. With that much gas pouring out of your bike I'd be worried some mixed with the oil which isn't great for the engine. Just my 2 cents.

[DoWorkSon]

Mota-lab and desmoworks I believe are the same... Anthony works for both... As when I contacted desmoworks about the reflash, they directed me to mota-lab... Emails to both companies come from Anthony... I believe he said that they just or were in the process of finishing a move from CA to IN...

Ny experience with them was less than satisfactory... Didn't respond to multiple emails/phone calls, and the "next day" turn around was over a week.. I expressed this to them but they really didn't seem to care and made some excuses.... This was after I paid a crap load for expedited shipping so I could get the ecu back quickly... Didn't matter, still took over a week.

Maybe they flashed your 796 ecu with a 696 nap? I know he said they do batch flashes and ship them all out at once or something along those lines...

Regardless, I would check hardware first, then ecu... Hopefully they give you a nice discount

[Veloce-Fino]

My 696 was flashed by motalab. I worked with Anthony throughout the process and it has worked flawlessly since.

I'd guess either a bad flash or improper map.

[2-Skinny]

It may not be the flash- at this point could be a broken injector... best to get a stock ecu/flash to test and go from there...

[Rxmfn7]

I apologize for any confusion, I didn't realize that there were 2 companies so closely named, and until this point also didn't realize I was misspelling one. I am dealing with mota-lab, and yes Anthony creek is the one I have been in contacts with. I had ordered the reflash through pro-italia.

As to people speculating stuck injectors, and things of that nature..I appreciate the ideas , but please remember the situation. Bike has ~1500 miles on it, runs great. Pull the ecu, gets flashed, now has fuel dumping out of the exhaust on what appears to be both cylinders . So I believe the chances of both injectors being stuck open all of a sudden, at coincidentally the same time the ecu was reflashed, is about zero.

[Veloce-Fino]

I apologize for any confusion, I didn't realize that there were 2 companies so closely named, and until this point also didn't realize I was misspelling one. I am dealing with mota-lab, and yes Anthony creek is the one I have been in contacts with. I had ordered the reflash through pro-italia.

As to people speculating stuck injectors, and things of that nature..I appreciate the ideas , but please remember the situation. Bike has ~1500 miles on it, runs great. Pull the ecu, gets flashed, now has fuel dumping out of the exhaust on what appears to be both cylinders . So I believe the chances of both injectors being stuck open all of a sudden, at coincidentally the same time the ecu was reflashed, is about zero.

Agree 100%.